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OllyK 06 May 2005 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Iain Young
Ah, so what you people actually want is a dictatorship, not a democratic society at all?

Removal of Labour still leaves Tory & Lib Dem pretty much everywhere and various others scattered about. It just changes it to a different 2 horse race :D

Iain Young 06 May 2005 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by OllyK
Can you make you mind up please, claiming people can't afford to move south and then promptly citing examples dis-proving your own argument seems a rather futile excercise. Or are you comparing apples with oranges here to suit?

Just illustrating the point (admittedly badly - working at the same time as typing this so not really concentrating on what I was writing ;)), that whilst some people obviously do move to where the work is, others do not have the same luxury. All the people I know who have done this, have moved into relatively highly paid jobs and so could afford to move. This is not the case with unskilled labour, (which is what was being talked about).



Sure and the difference between Derby and Nottingham (a similar distance) is negligable and yet to Leicester (again a similar distance) is a good bit higher. So if you are out of work in Derby and there are no jobs where do you look next?
A very good question. Where? If there is no work within the local area, and you cannot afford to move or commute, what do you do other than just claim benefits. This is excatly why there is a great need for regeneration and investment in large areas of this country. Whether it happens or not is another matter....


Are you saying that If you live in Swindon there is nowhere else to work within a 50 mile or so radius other than Newbury or should I not be taking you literally again?
I live in Swindon and commute to work in Newbury, so those are the examples freshest in my mind. House prices in Marlborough, Devizes, Cirencester, Burford (all similar distances from Swindon), are also higher than in Swindon.

I'm not saying that house pricess cannot be the same 20 miles down the road, and people cannot commute to work. I'm just saying that you cannot expect this to be the case. People on here seem to think that the same circumstances and solutions should apply to every location and person in country when it is obvious (if you apply a little common sense) it cannot work like that.

OllyK 06 May 2005 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by Iain Young
A very good question. Where? If there is no work within the local area, and you cannot afford to move or commute, what do you do other than just claim benefits. This is excatly why there is a great need for regeneration and investment in large areas of this country. Whether it happens or not is another matter....

Err the answer to the question was Nottingham rather than Leicester as the house prices are comparable (assuming you are buying anyway).


I live in Swindon and commute to work in Newbury, so those are the examples freshest in my mind. House prices in Marlborough, Devizes, Cirencester, Burford (all similar distances from Swindon), are also higher than in Swindon.

I'm not saying that house pricess cannot be the same 20 miles down the road, and people cannot commute to work. I'm just saying that you cannot expect this to be the case. People on here seem to think that the same circumstances and solutions should apply to every location and person in country when it is obvious (if you apply a little common sense) it cannot work like that.
And conversely you can't blanket state that people can't move either, which seemed to be your earlier implication. In the Midlands there are plenty of towns in close proximity. House prices do vary but communication links are not too bad. So in the Midlands I'd be expecting people to make an effort to move. If you live in Aberdeen, your options are obviously far fewer.

Iain Young 06 May 2005 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by OllyK
Err the answer to the question was Nottingham rather than Leicester as the house prices are comparable (assuming you are buying anyway).

Ah, I mis-read your question. Yes, you'd go to Nottingham. Unless of course everyone from Derby had already gone to Nottingham and already taken those jobs. In which case, you'd be stuck...



And conversely you can't blanket state that people can't move either, which seemed to be your earlier implication. In the Midlands there are plenty of towns in close proximity. House prices do vary but communication links are not too bad. So in the Midlands I'd be expecting people to make an effort to move. If you live in Aberdeen, your options are obviously far fewer.
Exactly my point Olly. I was just replying to earlier posts by other people that stated that if you want a job, move. Sometimes it is that easy, and sometimes it is not. You cannot tar everyone with the same brush and expect everyone to have the same circumstances, opportunites etc....

easyrider 06 May 2005 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by Mrs WRX
What do you mean, if you dont pay tax or NI you dont vote? Well excuse me, i worked full time for 10 years till i had my children. I couldnt afford child care for them so i worked part time in the evenings for 3 years. As i was part time i didnt pay tax or NI, but I STILL WORKED and didnt claim any benefits etc which i could have easily done. I work full time again as the kids are in school, so does that make me a better person because i work full time? A lot of women only work part time because of the children situation, are you saying that we should all have the vote taken off us? Or would you prefer it if i had stayed at home and sponged off the state?

I take my hat off to you:)

New_scooby_04 11 May 2005 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by Iain Young
Ah, so what you people actually want is a dictatorship, not a democratic society at all?

Ja, dast gut!

I'll get my coat! :)

NS04


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