Scooby girl, yeah see what suspension it is. :)

bgood, practice makes perfect and of course {sensible mode on} you should only venture to see your limits out on a track. :)

I was able to get some awesome drifts in my WRX, the tyres that I shy away from for what was IMHO poor wet grip were the Pzeros when I bought the P1 anthracites. The Toyos felt a hell of a lot safer.

I managed to avoid an accident shod in Toyos (MAFFA and Dyney can verify that as they were there at the time!!! The road was slimy - not quite wet, but not dry. They did everything I asked them to do as a I cadenced braked. :D

Well OK to be fair my car only has Toyo's on the front, it's got Nankang's on the back, only had it since November and that's was on it when I got it. Also the geometry hasn't been set up and the dampers aren't exactly great condition, all to be sorted at Scoobyclinic soon though :D

There is of course the question of driver ability here as well (distinctly average I'd say :rolleyes: ) so like you guys say some tuition and practice is probably the order of the day, all on the track of course ;)

spot on here avalanche,just let the throttle up quickly when you have the understeer in motion,then back on it hard when the back end goes,if you let the throttle up to slow then you'll just get traction and the back end wont kick out.

BM

Lets face it these cars are not what you would call easy to get sideways for two reasons. 1. They understeer like a TW*T 2. There not that powerful in standard form. Try a 280 BHP re-map from Scoobyclinic, it helps.
Also it takes abit of driving skill to flick the back end out. Try a hard left/right flick into a corner in the wet with plenty of gas and away she goes, try this in the dry and its understeer city, hello pavement and bye bye alloys.
believe me I know what im talking about.

I'm not convinced!

Or buy an import....280 standard :)
I have seen some companies offering RWD conversion, dunno how good these would be though.

But then they would get you sideways!!

bgood, I would be getting a full set of tyres which are the same brand on your car's paws....

I have to say I'd never heard of Nankang before I got the Scooby so dunno how they rate but do you reckon it would make a big difference then if they were all the same??

Nankang tyres are awful!! They are cheap for a reason. If you notice all the boy-racers with large wheels use Nankang tyres because they don't care about how the car handles all they care about are looks and cost.

By the way it can damage the viscous (sp?) centre diff by having different size tyres front and rear. This difference could be as small as the diference between manufacturers new tyres. So the same tyres all round could save you a big bill as well as help you car handle better.

Yes.

When I got my Scooby it had Vredstein fronts and Pirellis on the rear, cue drastic understeer in the dry and drastic oversteer in the wet - not good. Now got F1s all round and very consistent and grippy.

Scoobies are pretty robust in this respect, but some of the old Vauhall and Ford 4wd set-ups were quite fragile. It's not ideal to have different tyres front and rear, but it's unlikely to cause centre diff problems if they at least the same nominal size.

Looks like I better start looking for a good price on some new tyres then :rolleyes: Not really the sort of thing I wanted to be spending out on at the minute, what with the car being booked in for some surgery at the clinic in a couple of weeks. Spose it'll be worth it in the long run though and new tyres would probably be a nice match with the suspension upgrades I'm having done, it's just spend, spend, spend :D

No matter how good your suspension is your tyres are the only contact with the ground so money well spent.

BF goodrich or pirelli are my recomendations!

Managed to get my standard MY02 WRX to go sideways last weekend going up Broadway Hill in the wet.

Didn't plan it, was going a bit quick, turned into the bend and away I went .... Kept it under control, just didn't expect it to happen.

Neil.

It's definitely the things I would spend my money on, good stopping power, suspension and wheels/tyres along with set up.

hello all, i gave a liitle to much gas comming out of a bend once didnt go side ways i went backwards.

I can get my 05 wrx (with solid drolinks) drifting very easily. It's my first awd and after having a clio cup (with it's excellent mid corner adjustability/balance) I was a little unsure, at first, at pushing my scoob enough.

Now I've done it and know the characteristics of the handling it is so enjoyable being able to balance the car on the throttle.

What I did, which I know is risky, is use a large (very isolated) roundabout, late at night. 2nd gear, in dry mild condidtions, just gradually increased speed until I felt the tyres rumbling (~35MPH/3000RPM), then turned in a bit harsher and hey presto 4 wheel drift..! A bit more throttle provokes easilly balanced oversteer & backing off a bit brings it back into line.

Certainly very entertaining, brought a smile to my face as it was a lot easier than I thought, if a little hard on the outer n/s tyre treads..!

As already said, be warned, you need to be very, very careful doing this on public roads. The track is the place to do it..! Closely followed by a nice large, empty car park.

Jason

when you feel the tyres on the limit, a slight twitch of the steering wheel with a sensible prod of the throttle can easily slide a car, takes a while to learn what to do while its slideing tho, i rember the first time i did it, panic attack and slam the anchors on :eek:

If you want to practice going sideways (and backwards if you are anything like me) then you could do worse than take a driving course with www.carlimits.com. The courses are run on airfields so there is nothing to hit, and very little chance of damaging your car (except for the tyres).

One of the exercises at North Weald is to drive onto the runway as quickly as you dare, and turn left treating the centre of the runway as though it was a wall. My first attempt ended in a spin, but by the end of the day I was going at least 20mph faster without spinning (well not every time anyway).

Thoroughly recommended, and more fun than most track days I've been on.

Matthew

I have a type R and have just put a different set of second hand wheels on it. The tyres that came with them were Klebers and P zero assimetricos (SP?). With the Zeros on the back in the rain (diff fully open) it is the most tail happy car i've ever driven, which is saying something coming from a background of quick E30 BMW's. Any sharp corner just needs throttle, no clutch or sharp steering needed. Absolutely tremendous fun when you are in the mood, but care needed the rest of the time.

my scooby aint well right now , but when it was i used to find it easy in the rain , but in the dry becasue i didnt really have enough power sometimes the car powerslide a little bit , then violently get grip back on the surface , fun doing it at the time but the first time it caught me unawares and i spun out.:)

http://www.driftacademy.co.uk/

worth trying these guys, as you can learn either in your car or theirs

Suprisinly easy to drift their low powered mx5's
The instructor mentioned that awd isnt the ideal car for drifting
Also said that tyres should be inflated to near their maximum possible setting

Would not have thought toyos would be ideal tyres as they dont have stiff sidewalls which you also apparently need

ive found the best way to get it sideways with absolutly no effort at all is to go out when its been raining with a good set of snow tyres on
ps i still got em on now hope it rains soon

The easiest way for me to get the car sideways with an aftermarket sway bar installed seems to be accelerate up to 60mph in a huge parking lot without poles or obstacles and hit the brakes hard but smoothly to threshold to slow down to 50mph in 2nd gear, then let off the brake and turn the wheel at the same time. Just after turn in when the weight of the vehicle is hard on your front outside tire, modulate the throttle with a fairly aggressive pulse and once the back end comes around counterlock and floor it in second but stay below red and you are golden.

-note- if you love your car and dont want it to break this is not what you should do. If you break your car, it isn't my fault. I dont do this myself, but have noticed it happens on the track and thus this is something I try not to do.

I need to pop to Waitrose later - I'll hit 60mph on the way out once the boots got some weight in it.