Generally if a cyclist is involved in an 'incident' they wont be riding off anywhere as they will be injured to some extent. You do know that only 90% of accidents involving cyclists are caused by drivers of vehicles.
If the so called incident doesnt involve a collision, feel free to chase them down, and tell them off. You will probably get a reply " sorry mate didnt see you" diffuses alot of situations :D |
In the same way as its nearly always the blokes behind fault in a shunt :wonder:
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Originally Posted by andy97
(Post 11719584)
Generally if a cyclist is involved in an 'incident' they wont be riding off anywhere as they will be injured to some extent. You do know that only 90% of accidents involving cyclists are caused by drivers of vehicles.
If the so called incident doesnt involve a collision, feel free to chase them down, and tell them off. You will probably get a reply " sorry mate didnt see you" diffuses alot of situations :D |
Originally Posted by andy97
(Post 11719584)
Generally if a cyclist is involved in an 'incident' they wont be riding off anywhere as they will be injured to some extent. You do know that only 90% of accidents involving cyclists are caused by drivers of vehicles.
If the so called incident doesnt involve a collision, feel free to chase them down, and tell them off. You will probably get a reply " sorry mate didnt see you" diffuses alot of situations :D |
Mitigating circumstances" deranged fatty intent on blood letting" :D
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Originally Posted by andy97
(Post 11719584)
Generally if a cyclist is involved in an 'incident' they wont be riding off anywhere as they will be injured to some extent. You do know that only 90% of accidents involving cyclists are caused by drivers of vehicles.
If the so called incident doesnt involve a collision, feel free to chase them down, and tell them off. You will probably get a reply " sorry mate didnt see you" diffuses alot of situations :D |
Cyclists are cun!s. I wish them misery. They think they own every bit of land. And they think they are extra hard with cameras. Spineless twats. If I witness a cyclist being knocked over/ran over by a car, i will not bother stop to help, I will drive past and point and laugh!!!
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Originally Posted by Ooperbum
(Post 11719772)
Cyclists are cun!s. I wish them misery. They think they own every bit of land. And they think they are extra hard with cameras. Spineless twats. If I witness a cyclist being knocked over/ran over by a car, i will not bother stop to help, I will drive past and point and laugh!!!
:D |
Originally Posted by Ooperbum
(Post 11719772)
Cyclists are cun!s. I wish them misery. They think they own every bit of land. And they think they are extra hard with cameras. Spineless twats. If I witness a cyclist being knocked over/ran over by a car, i will not bother stop to help, I will drive past and point and laugh!!!
:D Look forward to seeing you on a later video clip! |
Put registration plates on bikes and make them pay tax and insurance
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No requirement for non motorised transport for registration, next you will want registration on a horse' s @rse
Tax, Please! I presume you mean road tax. Road tax hasn't been around since 1937. Insurance , well you will be very surprised, most dedicated cyclists have it through club membership or affiliate cycling groups |
Originally Posted by Ooperbum
(Post 11719772)
Cyclists are cun!s. I wish them misery. They think they own every bit of land. And they think they are extra hard with cameras. Spineless twats. If I witness a cyclist being knocked over/ran over by a car, i will not bother stop to help, I will drive past and point and laugh!!!
:D |
Originally Posted by andy97
(Post 11720188)
No requirement for non motorised transport for registration
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Originally Posted by jonc
(Post 11720204)
Why not? Other than it being motorised, what difference are there to say a motorbike/moped for instance?
All sarcasm aside, knowing the usual blundering lack of efficiency with which any government project is undertaken, how high do you think this registration fee would have to be for it to pay for itself? Or are you proposing it would be free, and paid for out of general taxation? |
Originally Posted by The Dogs B******s
(Post 11720198)
What ****ing stupid ****ing **** you are. :cuckoo:
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Originally Posted by markjmd
(Post 11720216)
Do you have a registration for your legs? No. Is there anything to stop you from walking or jogging along any road you like, motorways excepted, even if said road actually has a footpath? No.
All sarcasm aside, knowing the usual blundering lack of efficiency with which any government project is undertaken, how high do you think this registration fee would have to be for it to pay for itself? Or are you proposing it would be free, and paid for out of general taxation? |
I wouldn't mind at all , the logistics aren't easy though
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Originally Posted by jonc
(Post 11720228)
Why do cyclists generally show resistance to such a scheme? Let's stick with the concept before we delve into the logistics of it. Registration was brought in for motorised vehicles to ensure owners can be traced in the event of an accident or contravention of the law. It would also benefit cyclists in that if their bikes are stolen and recovered, they can easily be traced back to their owners for example. Why would you not want that?
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Originally Posted by markjmd
(Post 11720240)
There isn't a single country in the world where cycle registration is mandatory (or even optional, AFAIK), nor has there ever been. This will simply never happen, so get over it and start dealing with the fact you have to share the road with these people whether you like it or not. It's the grown-up thing to do.
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Originally Posted by jonc
(Post 11720255)
There is not a single country in the world where laws for traffiking drugs is preventing it, so why bother with it? Is that what you are saying? If it can't be done or made to work, why bother?
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Originally Posted by markjmd
(Post 11720266)
As debating tactics go, conceding from the very outset that you don't believe the idea you're proposing will ever be effective is a pretty novel one. Where did you come up with that exactly?
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Originally Posted by jonc
(Post 11720269)
I think you misunderstood my point.
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Originally Posted by markjmd
(Post 11720275)
Really? I can't imagine why you would. Let's forget about though for a minute and get back to the core question here. Are you feeling any more comfortable with the idea yet that motorists in this country have to share the roads with non-registered cyclists? :)
Now answer my question, regardless of the logistics, why are you against the registration to use the roads? I would start with those who use bikes commercially like cycle couriers. I've lost count the amount of times I've seen these fixed geared narrow barred bandits riding with complete disregard to other road users and the law. |
Originally Posted by jonc
(Post 11720290)
Of course, I have no issues with sharing the road with cyclists or horse, I do so every day without incident. My brother is an avid cyclist/commuter with a head cam in London. I see his vids and some are shocking in both from what motorists and cyclists do that he captures and get away with.
Now answer my question, regardless of the logistics, why are you against the registration to use the roads? I would start with those who use bikes commercially like cycle couriers. I've lost count the amount of times I've seen these fixed geared narrow barred bandits riding with complete disregard to other road users and the law. To answer your question then, the logistics IS the entire problem here, it really doesn't matter whether I'm for or against the idea. |
It would suggest it be phased in and start with the purchase of new bikes and some of the cost burden will included in the purchase price of bikes and would operate similar to how the dvla works. So besides the logistical aspects you're not against the idea of the registration of bicycles? Besides when has a logistical nightmare ever stop the government from doing anything.
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Originally Posted by jonc
(Post 11720306)
It would suggest it be phased in and start with the purchase of new bikes and some of the cost burden will included in the purchase price of bikes and would operate similar to how the dvla works. So besides the logistical aspects you're not against the idea of the registration of bicycles? Besides when has a logistical nightmare ever stop the government from doing anything.
Face it, you might as well be debating whether ID cards should be compulsory for living on the moon. It's NEVER going to happen, move on, get over it, put it behind you, deal with the rest of your life. Oh, and thank your lucky stars that even the halfwit cretins we have masquerading as a government in this country wouldn't be stupid enough to actually take up your idea. |
Originally Posted by markjmd
(Post 11720308)
But what makes you think that in the asburdly unlikely event that this was ever implemented, bicycle registration would be tied to the vehicle as opposed to the rider? You have absolutely no idea at all whether that would really be the case.
Face it, you might as well be debating whether ID cards should be compulsory for living on the moon. It's NEVER going to happen, move on, get over it, put it behind you, deal with the rest of your life. Oh, and thank your lucky stars that even the halfwit cretins we have masquerading as a government in this country wouldn't be stupid enough to actually take up your idea. |
Everything in life doesn't have to be registered on a central government system.
Cycling is and will always be a simple effective mode of a person moving around. It is safe and cheap to do. The question raised is from drivers, I believe due to the fact that some drivers have been recorded and reported to the police, even prosecuted on the evidence. Drivers are now feeling a little conscious of their actions, so as a retaliatory response they want cyclists to go around with registrations on their bikes,so they can now report incidents to the authorities. I have no objection to registration in principle, I don't think it will ever happen as its difficult enough to encourage adults, even children to use their bikes more than vehicles. Better policing of poor behaviour is needed on the roads for everyone. There will be always a general dislike of non mechanised road users by drivers. Its the caged mentality that comes out in most of us! Try and remember(yes it has happened to all of us at some point) when you're in a traffic jam and the car filtering in, is trying to get into your lane nudges in front of you and the blinkers come down and aggression builds as you try and stop them getting in front of you. Now this applies to cyclists when they are perceived to whizz by car drivers in towns and cities in queuing traffic(I have seen drivers chunter as the cyclists makes progress). Drivers then do the same to cyclists. But there is one big fundemental difference, it hurts and frightens when a vehicle hits a cyclist- drivers are cocooned in a metal shell isolated mentally and physically from the accident Once a driver is out of the car and is walking in a crowded street, you never see that person try and push and bash their way through the crowd, because bumping into an object yourself can hurt. This is what drivers invariably forget when they get inside their vehicle. |
Whether it can or cannot be implemented is beside the point. I'm not looking at from a drivers perspective, just at the principle of bikes being registered. As a pedestrian in London, I've witnessed plenty of altercations caused by riders hitting pedestrians, hitting cars and causing damage, performing dangerous and illegal maneuvers being abusive or aggressive because you've impeded there progress etc, and riding off with no further repercussions. They do this because they know they can get away with it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-pavement.html If that was your child, wouldn't you want someway of identifying the rider? I'm of the opinion that if bikes were clearly registered then there would be a huge change to the cyclists attitude and the way they ride, which can only mean greater safety for everyone. It doesn't stop people from enjoying their rides, it'll still be simple and effective mode of transport. How will registration discourage adults and children from riding their bikes? How can you police "poor behavior"? I won't even go into the logistics of that idea!!! |
This illustrates why cyclist should take a prominent position
And why Peugeot man was ignorant as to road positioning for cyclists whilst passing parked vehicles and the necessary distance(minimum- one car width) you should give cyclists when overtaking
http://road.cc/content/news/159991-v...path-black-cab |
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