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Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11656062)
Are you being deliberately silly? The example would be this "Dad I'm going to play Call of Duty or Dad I'm going to watch Amateur Sluts 4. You are saying the former is OK whereas the latter is not. Both are rated officially as 18 or over. What I am asking you is why is one acceptable and the other isn't?
Well here you go, lets walk into Game and buy Call of duty. they will sell it to anyone. But will they sell you Amateur Sluts 4? No matter how many times you play the age card you can't compare COD to porn. Its all age related but its in totally different leagues and if you really believe they are similar your a true sad puppy :) |
Originally Posted by ScoobyWon't
(Post 11655991)
Surely the problem is that kids are parents to kids? :wonder:
Usually the dad has sodded off and shacked up with someone else by the time their child gets their hands on a game controller. :lol1: |
Originally Posted by stevebt
(Post 11656074)
Well here you go, lets walk into Game and buy Call of duty. they will sell it to anyone. But will they sell you Amateur Sluts 4?
No matter how many times you play the age card you can't compare COD to porn. Its all age related but its in totally different leagues and if you really believe they are similar your a true sad puppy :) |
Originally Posted by stevebt
(Post 11656074)
Well here you go, lets walk into Game and buy Call of duty. they will sell it to anyone. But will they sell you Amateur Sluts 4?
No matter how many times you play the age card you can't compare COD to porn. Its all age related but its in totally different leagues and if you really believe they are similar your a true sad puppy :) If someone under 18 walks into Game and tries to buy COD, Game would be breaking the law by selling it to them, just the same as walking into a store and trying to buy porn, or any other age restricted film. Simple as that. Just because your opinion is that the two things are different, doesn't make it so, in the eyes of the law at least. |
You'd need to be child like to get anything out these games imo
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Doesn't Clarkson have girls :wonder:
In which case the question is moot |
Originally Posted by f1_fan
(Post 11656079)
Both officially rated 18, both the same in the eyes of the law. If you let your kid play the game or watch the film you are breaking the law and a crap parent to boot! End of IMO!
I'm on side about porn and games both not being suitable for kids but I think comparing them is a bit daft and I'm pretty sure you realise that. There is a world of difference between a cartoon game and watching porn regardless of the content. Both are wrong, but in different .. very different ways. |
Age restrictions are there for a reason. I think the point is a valid one in that games like these desensitise kids to violence as well as sexualising them to a certain degree at an early age, which I don't think anyone in their right mind would think is a good thing.
I keep my son away from computer games as much as possible, he has a nintendo ds, which I did protest about but all the kids at his child minder had them so he was playing them anyway, at least by getting him one of his own we had control over the games he played, fortunately he's not actually that interested in the games beyond that environment and barely uses it now, when he's at home he is kept occupied and generally of an evening too knackerd to do anything bar fall asleep after he gets back from which ever of his several clubs he's been doing. ;) |
Can anyone point me to the studies that show a causal link between violent video games and violent kids? Ta.
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All kids play cod,not sure why though as battlefield is so much better! Well that's what mine say;)
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Originally Posted by ReallyReallyGoodMeat
(Post 11656133)
Can anyone point me to the studies that show a causal link between violent video games and violent kids? Ta.
http://www.soc.iastate.edu/sapp/VideoGames1.pdf |
Originally Posted by Turbohot
(Post 11656201)
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...nUpdate113.pdf Then these much recent articles with the references to refute the link: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...e-9851613.html http://nerdist.com/the-most-objectiv...-and-violence/ |
I'd be more concerned schools teaching my eight year old about homosexuality and sex than playing COD..
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The amount of racist and islamaphobic kids on cod is unreal, bunch of little cnuts!
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Originally Posted by DYK
(Post 11656245)
I'd be more concerned schools teaching my eight year old about homosexuality and sex than playing COD..
Shall we say to them that two men were kissing each other because one of them is just a short haired or a baldhead woman, and the babies come from Santa; like many other gifts? What if they say that latter is only possible if the Santa happens to be the milkman? How would you handle that? :D |
Originally Posted by Turbohot
(Post 11656329)
So, what do you suggest re. sex and sexuality education, then? How should we deal with an eight year old's questions about why two men were kissing each other, or how babies are made? :confused:
Shall we say to them that two men were kissing each other because one of them is just a short haired or a baldhead woman, and the babies come from Santa; like many other gifts? What if they say that latter is only possible if the Santa happens to be the milkman? How would you handle that? :D Can't we go from A to B in a straight line nowadays anymore,we have to divert around it to get to the same place. |
Originally Posted by DYK
(Post 11656354)
What are you on about santa and the milkman? Just tell kids straight,the same my dad told me when I asked the question,what's the big issue.
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Originally Posted by DYK
(Post 11656354)
What are you on about santa and the milkman?
Just tell kids straight,the same my dad told me when I asked the question,what's the big issue. If school don't teach sex education, there will be the parents from our society on schools' case! If their children get pregnant untimely or impregnate others, they will blame schools for that. Regarding homosexuality as well, imo no harm in it being explained in schools, as long as it's done in most appropriate way as per pupils' cognitive maturity; generally correlated with their age. No harm at all in school informing an eight year old that there's no crime if two same sex people cohabitate as lovers. Can't we go from A to B in a straight line nowadays anymore,we have to divert around it to get to the same place. |
I don't see how any parent can blame the school for their kids being involved with pregnancy.That's kind of like saying,because dad is not around and mom is too busy,little Tommy decided to start getting involved with drugs,stealing cars,or burglary.Is this also the schools fault ?
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Originally Posted by ReallyReallyGoodMeat
(Post 11656361)
Reminds me of this...
Will Ferrell (Ashley Schaeffer) - Let The Boy Watch - Eastbound and Down Outtakes - YouTube "down in my pluuumms" |
Look video games are not the problem,core of the problem is no family values anymore or little of.you got programmes like Eastenders and their story line seems to be based on family split up,married couples committing adultery,bf/gf fighting,discipline has been taken away from the home and schools,kids are not taught self responsibility.And these people who come out with this dribble that it's video games,rap music,movies etc keep going around in this vicious circle and now and then pick something to put a blame on.In a few months time we probably be going back to sugar why kids are hyperactive...
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I think everyone involved in a child's up-bring has a duty of care. I personally don't advocate shattering the dream, kids grow up fast enough as it is without exposing them to the evils of this world at an early age.
That said once their enquiring minds begin to mature and ask the less comfortable questions I'm a firm believer in telling them like it is, in the nicest possible way. My 7yr old recently asked why his willy was suddenly hard every morning and a few times a day. A little tricky to say the least. :lol1: |
Originally Posted by ditchmyster
(Post 11656457)
I think everyone involved in a child's up-bring has a duty of care. I personally don't advocate shattering the dream, kids grow up fast enough as it is without exposing them to the evils of this world at an early age.
That said once their enquiring minds begin to mature and ask the less comfortable questions I'm a firm believer in telling them like it is, in the nicest possible way. My 7yr old recently asked why his willy was suddenly hard every morning and a few times a day. A little tricky to say the least. :lol1: Had the same thing with my 5 year old.....now he whips it out and tells his grandma it's having a stretch because it's had a sleep :mad: |
Originally Posted by DYK
(Post 11656433)
I don't see how any parent can blame the school for their kids being involved with pregnancy.That's kind of like saying,because dad is not around and mom is too busy,little Tommy decided to start getting involved with drugs,stealing cars,or burglary.Is this also the schools fault ?
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Originally Posted by donny andi
(Post 11656462)
:lol1:
Had the same thing with my 5 year old.....now he whips it out and tells his grandma it's having a stretch because it's had a sleep :mad: |
Personally I think all video games are 'bad' for kids, the violent ones are actually child abuse.
Imho a video game provides zero positive influence for children, there is no upside apart from instant electronic gratification for the kids and a cheap babysitter for the parents. |
Originally Posted by Turbohot
(Post 11656533)
This is exactly what I'm saying. A lot of such parents do blame schools for lots of things, and overlook what they should be doing at home for their kids. Therefore, schools take responsibility to educate the children as best as possible with as much so that they don't remain ignorant. As you say, if father is absent and mother is too busy, little Tommy may get involved with drugs and other things. Therefore, school has a duty to educate and to care for that kid. Sex education falls under that, and quite rightly it should be provided in schools.
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Originally Posted by Dingdongler
(Post 11656597)
Personally I think all video games are 'bad' for kids, the violent ones are actually child abuse.
Imho a video game provides zero positive influence for children, there is no upside apart from instant electronic gratification for the kids and a cheap babysitter for the parents. There are 'games' such as Minecraft that can are far more than 'shoot an alien', and from which children can benefit a *lot* - the creativity that can be unlocked by Minecraft is endless, and it is not an exaggeration to describe it as the equivalent of Meccano or Lego for the latest generation. While I understand the fear that games offer very little benefit, I would suggest that modern games are far more sophisticated and involved than what you may yourself have experienced as a game. As an exercise, try replacing the term 'video games' with 'Lego' and see how the sentence sounds. Even with more 'shoot stuff' games, if you have a game that allows or encourages user-made levels and environments, this can prove a very effective introduction into multiple disciplines; programming, physics, problem solving, etc. I spent many hours designing levels for games as a kid, and the understanding required to build levels have a huge amount of overlap into something like architecture or construction. In terms of interaction, communities exist and can be very strong, both inside single games and across multiple games; you can feel part of a team in exactly the same way as any 'traditional' sport, you have training sessions, goals, tournaments, and for the very best the opportunity to win serious amounts of money (latest DOTA 2 tournament purse was over $10m, bigger than the US Open: http://goo.gl/hK57Ew). I would ask that you not simply consider all games a waste of time, and consider that skills learnt playing games can indeed translate into real-world benefits - gamers have been shown to have faster reaction times, take in more information in a visual scene, have better hand-eye co-ordination, and show increased aptitude at problem-solving. |
Originally Posted by donny andi
(Post 11656462)
:lol1:
Had the same thing with my 5 year old.....now he whips it out and tells his grandma it's having a stretch because it's had a sleep :mad: |
Originally Posted by Beef
(Post 11656827)
I'm pasting below what I posted to another parent who viewed games similarly to yourself:
There are 'games' such as Minecraft that can are far more than 'shoot an alien', and from which children can benefit a *lot* - the creativity that can be unlocked by Minecraft is endless, and it is not an exaggeration to describe it as the equivalent of Meccano or Lego for the latest generation. While I understand the fear that games offer very little benefit, I would suggest that modern games are far more sophisticated and involved than what you may yourself have experienced as a game. As an exercise, try replacing the term 'video games' with 'Lego' and see how the sentence sounds. Even with more 'shoot stuff' games, if you have a game that allows or encourages user-made levels and environments, this can prove a very effective introduction into multiple disciplines; programming, physics, problem solving, etc. I spent many hours designing levels for games as a kid, and the understanding required to build levels have a huge amount of overlap into something like architecture or construction. In terms of interaction, communities exist and can be very strong, both inside single games and across multiple games; you can feel part of a team in exactly the same way as any 'traditional' sport, you have training sessions, goals, tournaments, and for the very best the opportunity to win serious amounts of money (latest DOTA 2 tournament purse was over $10m, bigger than the US Open: http://goo.gl/hK57Ew). I would ask that you not simply consider all games a waste of time, and consider that skills learnt playing games can indeed translate into real-world benefits - gamers have been shown to have faster reaction times, take in more information in a visual scene, have better hand-eye co-ordination, and show increased aptitude at problem-solving. |
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