Whereas we don't have to see you sat behind anything to know you are a total bell end do we?

Now then, all you clever people

WTF is hill start assist on an automatic car?

An extra cost option, and 3 lines of code in the ECU, probably.

Does it not just hold the brake like on a manual car.

new car but they added 2K to the price for fun

biggest issue is 50k (amg styling are all extra cost) for whats effectively a hot hatch is alot of money.

2 series bmw fully loaded comes in a tad over 40k and m4 comes in at 56k.

just seems alot fo money for what it is to me.

Surely that's pointless?!

Our manual van has it; just holds on a hill for a few seconds. Occasional handy.

Have Mercs still got silly handbrakes? A few plus of our car is the old school proper handbrake!

I have a one year old C class and yes it has the stupid American style foot operated 'handbrake'.
Mines a 7g Auto so never use it, just leave it in park...

Not sure if the new C Class has it though.

Have it on mine, simply holds the car stationary while your foot moves from the brake to the accelerator.

Yes Matt the same silly Handbrake they use in the BMW 5 series.

In the 5 series they have a P button you click to hold the car when your in traffic, so you don't have to keep your foot on the brake. Do you not have this feature in your M135 ?

On the A45 its standard you just press the brake HARD and it goes into Hold mode, so in theory like a handbrake but soon as you touch the accelerator it moves forward, lazy handbrake.

Great feature for both Merc and BMW, but BMWs can be toggled on or off, without it your car creeps forward correct ? like all autos if your not on the brake.

That being said I did use it on my E350 and wife got in the back, Kids kicking off, I turned round hit the pedal and ran over her foot LOL

my e46 m3 with smg doesn't creep at all when stopped, not sure bout the new ones though

OK, surely you are planning to move forward when you take your foot off the brake?

tidgey do u have a P button you can choose to press or not press, Like start stop ? cant rem what BMW call Auto P maybe ?

ahh here

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=358927

scroll down its called Auto H

not if your stuck in traffic Urbs, its become tiresome, just a Luxury feature really

I quote

When you come to a stop, simply push the brake pedal unnecessarily forward in its travel. The word "HOLD" will appear in the trip computer and the car will automatically apply the brakes to keep you in place. This allows you to rest your foot/ankle or prime it above the accelerator.

I'm not actually sure; the old one crept but I don't think ours does now. Our house is on a hill and I never notice any issues; just stick it in D, press Sport and go.

Strangely, our driveway is over a little drop kerb. The 335d was impossible to reverse in smoothly. No issues with the M135i; I can be a docile little town car or a bit of an A/B road animal, especially in Sport+.

I never use the handbrake; the handbrake was almost certainly responsible for a wheel/brake judder issue on the old car.

No need with an auto unless on a ferry or similar.

I don't think they have hold assist when you've got a manual handbrake, its only for cars with electronic, I could be wrong though...

Yeah, I know the workings.
The sale guy explained it to my wife when she collected her new A200 - it's got it too.
Just seemed a bit dopey to me, but hey, its not my car

no mate, the pics look like an e90.

there is a way to give it extra revs for hill starts, but cant find anything in the manual beyond that :S

£180 a year road tax in a A45 AMG???:wonder:

Makes you sick when its nearly £500 for the new STi:(

You'd have to be bonkers to spend £50k on a hot hatch! :D

Tell that to Impreza Cosworth owners ;)

I don't see the issue with it being "a lot for a hatchback."

I'd call it "not bad value for a bear supercar baiting, semi bespoke car."

Similar (to a lesser extent) with ours; £30k (with no options) is an expensive hatch. But name any 220+bhp/tonne, 4.6 (Autocar) to 60, sub 11s to 100 turbo'd six pot cars with four seats and a boot this side of £50k?

There aren't any.

Wrx wagon ppp, £4k. :king:

:lol1:

I said SIX cylinders - like you get in grown ups engines.

Plus like to see one do 60 in 4.6 or 100 in under 11…:hjtwofing

And clearly I meant NEW.

Why? The Mercedes is properly engineered and therefore has lower emissions!

Brake/hill assist is not a new thing, I first came across it about 4/5 years ago in a transit van, I first thought that I had all of a sudden become perfect at hill starts. I then realised what was happening and in turn was very impressed. I have since experienced it in a new Astra, the VW cc, VW golf and then a few more. I would now except to find it on just about any new car and for once its a bit of tech that I actually like. The pushing hard of the brake and having to use a button is new to me, I am used to coming to a stop, whether on a hill or on the flat at the lights, it just holds while drawing very little attention to itself.

I hate the button that replaces the handbrake though, first of all no more handbrake turns :razz: and secondly another job that is being handed over to the car with less involvement from the driver. I once fuelled my car and while doing so I had been walking around in diesel fuel unknowingly and as I pulled out of the station to approach a cue of cars at the lights I slipped of the brake. Luckily I was able to grab the handbrake in time and stop, had I had a button to press (that only works when stopped) I would of had my first and only crash/accident.

And I don't see why a hatch or any other car be it a saloon etc has to fall in to a certain price bracket. If it's got what you're paying for ie big engine and spec then who cares what shape it is. :wonder:

And oh yes....just to throw the cat among the pigeons, John at Mangoletsi is in the process of offering a 450bhp package probably with 3 years warranty and with forged internales for around 40k if you didn't already know. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.:lol1:

P.s no need for the lecture, iam just having a play, I appreciate the ups and downs of both cars, whether it be a Merc or bmw or golf ect that you compare it to.

You say "properly" engineered, but what does that mean :wonder: so for example, how do they do it?

I wasn't questioning the Mercs road tax!! I find it quite funny that you can pay £180 a year road tax on a AMG mercedes that has 360bhp and all the bells & whistles, and then the new Impreza STi is nearly £500 for basically a standard 300bhp car.:thumb:

Personally I think the high road tax has killed the Impreza/Evo market in the UK, and it amazes me that people think its ok to run a impreza/Evo with its high maintenance/fuel and £500 road tax, they must have more money then sense!!;)

This is by no way me saying that the sti is better than the others (golf r, a45 amg, 135i etc) although I do have a BIT of a blind love for all things subaru. The sti may have higher tax but looses less in the re sale value, it also offers a cheaper alternative to those that may not be interested in silly tech. The subaru has got a lot to prove and only time will tell but theres ups and downs to all of the said cars.

It would also seem that mpg is not of much of a week point with the sti and for someone like me that doesn't pay road tax and doesn't commute the sti is not so bad on these issues.

It is also a assumption of mine that the a45 and 135i with the slight exception of the golf will struggle with the 2.4 children summer holidays, thus not even being an option for the man with the more productive loins.

And what happens in a few years when the 2nd hand value is 6/7/8k

You will be pay quite a high % of the (decreasing) value simply to have it on the road - year on year

Coupled with the new rules on insurance/mot/sorn along with digital enforcement and they will be a financial liability

um, just a slight note, the mrs 2001 gx has hill assist hahaha