An intresting story about BMW's on ice this morning on my Facebook feed,

https://i.imgur.com/1ICF3yD.jpg

My Vito is RWD as well (still on summer tires too :eek: ) and dosent suffer as badly as BMW's.

Nothing wrong with BMWs in the snow.

Its just the drivers a) not knowing how to drive b)not knowing how to engage the correct traction mode and use the gearbox correctly (be it auto or manual).

(three BMWs on our drive...all used in the snow on summer tyres none have ever got stuck, the one does have a set of snow socks though...brand new never used)

S-type jag on the other hand, I did get stuck, they really are rubbish: Mainly because the engine is always pushing power through the auto gearbox even at idle, and it wouldn't allow me to hold 2nd gear to minimise the torque. Combine this with the one that I drove having a dodgy MAF which made the idle revs hunt...hunting engine+1st gear+snow+slight hill=stuck.....did eventually get it going by careful use of the handbrake to stop the wheels spinning on the open diff, although there was a queue of ten cars behind me by then :o

Shame on you ;)

Sadly though, it really isn't! We have the same healthy debate the same time every year and the same people come up with the same BS :D

Tune in next December for the same debate :D

OK :D

Wee bit of snow forecast for my area today.
That'll make it nearly 3 whole days in the past 13 months ;)

Admittedly this is the Midlands not Aberdeenshire, so not as extreme in climate.

If I was up in Scotchland I'd probably have winter tyres and snow chains ;)

Won't make any difference as all the burning cars from your flag protests will thaw it out anyway :thumb:

That's stopped now.
Plus they don't come out to protest in the snow as its too cold :thumb:

Ouch but lol none the less!! :D

I'm a bad person aren't I? ;) :lol1:

Pity he can't get his facts correct :lol1:

I recognise that photo from somewhere :D

I saw a GT3 on cups this morning. Suprised he got around the roundabout.

i live in wales at the top of a very steep hill, it snows every year here and all the cars from the road have to park at the bottom of the hill as no-body can get up ,i have a work van a renault kangoo diesel which i have recently fitted with a full set of winter tyres, during the recent snow while all the other cars were parked at the bottom of the hill i was able to drive straight up without a problem, a definite thumbs up for winter tyres.

Just thought I'd let you know what you're in for ;) :D

Hope you don't mind, wasn't sure if you still used this place or not! :D

Snow overnight tonight .... don't take those winter tyres off just yet!!

With three weeks in the Lake District over the next two months, I'll be leaving mine on a while yet ;)

I think you may have confused me with someone who says they don't work well in the snow.

Considering we live in a country that doesn't get much snow, we've had a lot of snow this year. I hope everyone who doesn't think it's worth buying winter tyres for the few days of snow stays off the roads tomorrow as I need to go to the office and I don't fancy sitting in a traffic jam for several hours.

So you expect 99% of road users to stay off the road tomorrow? I will do you the favour though.

Just wishful thinking. It'll be chaos around here as usual.

Winter tyres not snow tyres.

I was kind of wondering, I guess that all the 'against' people have never tried winter tyres.
Is there any one on here who (honestly) has had them fitted and dont think they are any good and prefer to use summer tyres all year round?

I don't think anyone on here doubts how good they can be.

Personally for me it doesn't make any sense to purchase a set.
Not a lot of snow lies where I live, I think since Jan2012 they're has been 3 possibly 4 occasions when snow has been a mere inconvenience n the roads.
Plus the majority of the inconvenience is on side roads, main roads are generally always OK.
I remember once recently where a portion of a dual carriageway was reduced to single lane for maybe half a mile.

Like I said, winter tyres not snow tyres. Apparently you dont need snow to feel or get the benefits.

I presume you're another person who's never tried them? I dont mean that disparagingly but I was looking for feed back from those in a good position to judge the effectiveness of winter tyres compared to general purpose tyres, e.g. those that have tried both.
Thanks

At the risk iof incurring the ridicule of the d1ckheads again yes I have tried both.

I swapped from a good set of summer Goodyears (more than 5mm tread left) to a set of Vredestein Wintrac Extremes in early November.... yes I noticed the difference when it was very cold and/or very wet..... The Vredesteins feel like summer tyres in hot weather... more grip! It's as simple as that!

Again, during that last dump on Wednesday I was following a TT which is obviously 4WD, and he was all over the road. Not stuck like the summer tyred 2WD cars, but slipping about and having to brake very early and cautiously. I felt very smug watching his problems as I drove along at a sensible pace in full control :smug: A bit later I stumbled on a Range Rover Evoque stuck on the hill near my house. I LOL'd as I drove past it :D

(PS I know some Evoque's are faux-x-faux's)

Brake earlier and more cautiously, what an idiot :rolleyes:

Nik.

If I could only afford 2 new winter tyres, should I put them on the front or the back?

Affording them isn't an issue. As I pointed out before, if you happen to have some spare wheels then it doesn't matter which tyres you have on, you're wearing them out. Whether it's 40k miles split between two alternating sets, or 20k miles on each of two consecutive sets, it's 40k on two sets of tyres. If you need to buy additional wheels the cost is a factor, but I got steelies to use on my driving instructing car from a scrappers for £20 each, so not a major expense for many cars.

However, if I can't make it into work one day I lose 70% of the cost of a set of four winter tyres, and three colleagues have lost days at my work so far this winter. The confidence that I (probably) won't have to cancel journeys or get stuck is worth a lot too. The safety of my family is priceless !