Originally Posted by J4CKO (Post 10176595)

Yep, amazing how he caused all that in 15 months.....

Originally Posted by Scoober-Dubs (Post 10176550)

I'd like to point out that there are both good and bad folk from every race, colour and country. It has taken years for generations such as my parents' and others before them who have been good upstanding members of our society to lead by example to demonstrate that we are not the empty minded, primative wasters like those idiots who have taken advantage of this situation to bring havoc to the streets of London, and peoples' homes and businesses this weekend.

My parents came to this country and 'bred', and both contributed considerably to both the health service and telecommunication industry, paid their taxes, never broke a law, got a speeding ticket etc... they also had 2 kids who have also never broken the law, have very successful careers and contribute considerable amount of revenue to the government and there are many more like us too.

I am utterly ashamed of and disgusted by what I've wittnessed over the pass few days; I believe that if you live by the sword, you die by the sword end of, the over PC of this country has now left the police with their hands tied! If this was Northern Ireland, the army would have been drafted in 'quick sharp', contained and apprehended those involved. However, now because this govenrment are caught up in the PC trap they are too scared for the world to see youths both black and white being tackled, water cannoned and potentially shot by the army!!

I actually agree with a lot of the comments on here but it's a bigger issue than race here, gang culture has been allowed to grow because the government and police are puss!es, the schools are powerless, and it's now illegal to smack your kids; people aren't scared to commit crimes in this country anymore because they won't get punished. As soon as stabbings, shootings etc became prolific in parts of the country the law should have come down HARD and stamped it OUT! Forget human rights, you infringe on another citizens' civil liberties, you should wave goodbye to your own. In the states if the police say stop and you don't, your @rse gets shot, end of, forget whether you had a gun, or replica etc.

Rant over with... lets hope that the goverments grows a pair and gets serious with these d!cks.

Originally Posted by TH3_5T1G (Post 10176605)

Markus, i fear thats a story that will be debated for a long time but the fact remains that these riots are now far beyond the death of Mark Duggen and they are exploiting the current vulnerability to loot and line their own back pockets!

Originally Posted by f1_fan (Post 10176573)

Well just got back and true to my post at around 6:30 we now have carnage on the streets because Therea May doesn't have the gumption to actually do something in her lofty position as Home Secretary. She should resign now!

As for Cameron well seems he is on his way back at last. Well news for you when you land David.... if you allow petrol prices to rise throught the roof, VAT to be ramped up, energy and food prices to spiral ever upwards, put in place a host of ther cuts that are poorly targetted and too much too soon, do nothing at all to promote economic growth other than talk a lot of hot air, hand the finances of the country over to a toffee nosed inept buffon and all that on an already faltering economy and then f**k off to Tuscany this is what you are going to get!

Then to make matters worse you have no army or police available to properly stop it as they were part of your great plan of budget cutting!

Reap what you sow Cameron!

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 10176618)

Yes. I think many of the people on the streets are political activists who object to the Keynesian economic policy of the new-right and have strategically mobilised and highlighted their plight by burning down Greggs. Still, at least the sausage rolls will be warm.

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 10176618)

Yes. I think many of the people on the streets are political activists who object to the Keynesian economic policy of the new-right and have strategically mobilised and highlighted their plight by burning down Greggs. Still, at least the sausage rolls will be warm.

Originally Posted by f1_fan (Post 10176608)

Yes everything in my post his government have done other than the economy already faltering.

What's your problem understanding that you can only push people so far.

This has zip all to do with the guy being shot, that was just the straw that broke the camel's back. The country was like a tinderbox and now it's ablaze.

Believe you me I want it sorted as much as anyone and the army can come in and shoot them for me, but the reasons for it all are obvious and pretty much as I posted!

Originally Posted by J4CKO (Post 10176627)

What do they want, why is it always someone else fault ? the system cant support that number of people receiving that much in benefits, policing, community programmes and whatever, everyone is taxed to f*ck, I personally don't want to pay any more but I am not going to burn down the local Greggs and loot JJB sports, its all about the free stuff and to be part of something a bit naughty, how much do they want off the rest of society to stop burning the place down ?

I get sick of the bleeding hearts saying its disaffected youth, none of them are starving or homeless from what I can see, all look fit, healthy and well fed judging by the weight of the stuff they can lift onto a Police Car and how fast they can leg it, perhaps if they went to school and didn't treat it as "boring" and beneath them (as they will be the next superstar DJ, rapper, footballer, Xfactor winner, street dance crew) then maybe they may get a job, oh, but no, a job may affect benefits, a job may not pay as much and involve dragging their arse out of bed.

Never mind society letting them down, whether it has or hasnt they are letting society down now in a bigger way, a way that they can never, ever repay.

Originally Posted by f1_fan (Post 10176608)

What's your problem understanding that you can only push people so far.

Originally Posted by Bubba po (Post 10176671)

F1, in my experience, if you find yourself asking what problem Jacko has with understanding something, then I think you need to step back and re-examine your own perceptions. Jacko's one of the most switched-on people on here. He always gets to the nub of an argument and has a great common-sense manner of summarising complex debates. Re-read what he's written.

Originally Posted by Bubba po (Post 10176671)

F1, in my experience, if you find yourself asking what problem Jacko has with understanding something, then I think you need to step back and re-examine your own perceptions. Jacko's one of the most switched-on people on here. He always gets to the nub of an argument and has a great common-sense manner of summarising complex debates. Re-read what he's written.

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 10176677)

I'd go with that.

Originally Posted by f1_fan (Post 10176682)

So what do you think the reasons for the riots are?

Originally Posted by unclebuck (Post 10176688)

but I am sure of the reason they are rioting

You should sit in with Dave at that COBRA meeting in the morning.

I'm sure he would find your guidance invaluable...

;)

Originally Posted by JTaylor (Post 10176689)

They're mindless, under-evolved, broadly illiterate criminals who take their cues from anti-establishment rappers and see this as an opportunity to exercise their violent, tribal, animal-like instincts. That's what I think. :)

Originally Posted by westallc (Post 10176696)

there now breaking into people houses wtf to the prime minister you cannot wait until tomoz morning the army need to be on the street now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the police cannot cope and the army are needed!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by zip106 (Post 10176697)

I'm utterly ashamed to be part of this country.

Originally Posted by zip106 (Post 10176697)

The ****ers are now kicking in private houses doors in Ealing and trying to loot them too.
Old woman on the news right now absolutely ****ting herself.


Gone far enough - they've really overstepped the line with all of this.
I'm utterly ashamed to be part of this country.

Originally Posted by J4CKO (Post 10176627)

What do they want, why is it always someone else fault ? the system cant support that number of people receiving that much in benefits, policing, community programmes and whatever, everyone is taxed to f*ck, I personally don't want to pay any more but I am not going to burn down the local Greggs and loot JJB sports, its all about the free stuff and to be part of something a bit naughty, how much do they want off the rest of society to stop burning the place down ?

I get sick of the bleeding hearts saying its disaffected youth, none of them are starving or homeless from what I can see, all look fit, healthy and well fed judging by the weight of the stuff they can lift onto a Police Car and how fast they can leg it, perhaps if they went to school and didn't treat it as "boring" and beneath them (as they will be the next superstar DJ, rapper, footballer, Xfactor winner, street dance crew) then maybe they may get a job, oh, but no, a job may affect benefits, a job may not pay as much and involve dragging their arse out of bed.

Never mind society letting them down, whether it has or hasnt they are letting society down now in a bigger way, a way that they can never, ever repay.