Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11352108)
So how come my wifes family, Scots living in AUSTRALIA, can vote?
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Yes, I get that, but you are missing my point:
ALL Scots living abroad can vote, EXCEPT those living in England. Why? And why should English people living in Scotland have a vote, if the above holds true? Talk about fiddling the figures...........:rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11352426)
Yes, I get that, but you are missing my point:
ALL Scots living abroad can vote, EXCEPT those living in England. Why? And why should English people living in Scotland have a vote, if the above holds true? Talk about fiddling the figures...........:rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11352426)
Yes, I get that, but you are missing my point:
ALL Scots living abroad can vote, EXCEPT those living in England. Why? And why should English people living in Scotland have a vote, if the above holds true? Talk about fiddling the figures...........:rolleyes: If anyone has upped sticks and left why should they if they no longer live here? |
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11352426)
Yes, I get that, but you are missing my point:
ALL Scots living abroad can vote, EXCEPT those living in England. Why? And why should English people living in Scotland have a vote, if the above holds true? Talk about fiddling the figures...........:rolleyes: As Martin said, terms were agreed. |
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11352426)
Yes, I get that, but you are missing my point:
ALL Scots living abroad can vote, EXCEPT those living in England. Why? And why should English people living in Scotland have a vote, if the above holds true? Talk about fiddling the figures...........:rolleyes: It does make it sound very rigged to me. Surely it should be all Scots regardless of where they live, not pick and choose who can and cannot vote. |
Well the cross party 'you can feck off if you think your getting the Pound' specches today are a direct broadside to Salmond.... I still don't think it stands a chance of going through!
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Originally Posted by SirFozzalot
(Post 11352514)
Its so they have more chance of getting a yes vote by excluding those living in England! :lol1:
Anyway, Politicians on both sides of the border are wankers. Selecting the better of two evils will be the hard part. |
So...so far:
Salmond says they will get straight into the EC. The EC says not so. Salmond says they will be able to keep the £ and still have the shelter of the BoE. The government and the BoE both say no. Salmond says they don't have to take on ANY of the national debt. Ther government and BoE say not so. Someone is telling lies............. |
Originally Posted by Martin2005
(Post 11352446)
Those are the rules agreed by both sides
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Passing thought, what happens with all the Scots living in England if they get independance? Presumably they become migrants and hence have to apply for passports etc?
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Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11352523)
So...so far:
Salmond says they will get straight into the EC. The EC says not so. Salmond says they will be able to keep the £ and still have the shelter of the BoE. The government and the BoE both say no. Salmond says they don't have to take on ANY of the national debt. Ther government and BoE say not so. Someone is telling lies............. |
Originally Posted by neil-h
(Post 11352536)
Passing thought, what happens with all the Scots living in England if they get independance? Presumably they become migrants and hence have to apply for passports etc?
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Andrew Neil handing Nicola Sturgeon her arse on a plate.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26175401 Every (hugely important) single question she is posed she cannot give a straight answer to. If I was a Yes supporter I'd be worried, both by her party's lack of forethought around actually important issues, and having Ms Sturgeon as a representative. |
Originally Posted by ReallyReallyGoodMeat
(Post 11352661)
Andrew Neil handing Nicola Sturgeon her arse on a plate.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26175401 Every (hugly important) single question she is posed she cannot give a straight answer to. If I was a Yes supporter I'd be worried, both by her party's lack of forethought around actually important issues, and having Ms Sturgeon as a representative. |
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11352523)
So...so far:
Salmond says they will get straight into the EC. The EC says not so. Salmond says they will be able to keep the £ and still have the shelter of the BoE. The government and the BoE both say no. Salmond says they don't have to take on ANY of the national debt. Ther government and BoE say not so. Someone is telling lies............. Seems a bit unfair. New currency, no debt, they could make themselves quite a nice little tax haven. |
Quick summary from an article published today:
So, overall, the situation is this: the only realistic option for an independent Scotland, if it wanted to be an EU member, would be for it to join the euro. Doing so would mean GDP lower on average by around €1 billion per year, with booms being more inflationary and busts involving more unemployment, because Scotland would have much less weight in or relevance to eurozone policymaking. That’s what “independence” means for Scotland in monetary policy terms. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance...what-it-means/ |
Originally Posted by RA Dunk
(Post 11352519)
Not really, English folks living up here have the right to vote as well and there are not many if any going to vote yes is there. so it kind of balances it's self out.
Anyway, Politicians on both sides of the border are wankers. Selecting the better of two evils will be the hard part. |
Originally Posted by SirFozzalot
(Post 11352899)
But why exclude them? I don't understand. Scots all over the world can vote, except if you are in England. I know that is what was agreed, but why?
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Originally Posted by ReallyReallyGoodMeat
(Post 11352661)
Andrew Neil handing Nicola Sturgeon her arse on a plate.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26175401 Every (hugely important) single question she is posed she cannot give a straight answer to. If I was a Yes supporter I'd be worried, both by her party's lack of forethought around actually important issues, and having Ms Sturgeon as a representative. |
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politic...ning-1-3305302
Seems rather foolish to me. I suspect he has sealed his fate with this. |
And this doesn't help his cause either...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...-new-lows.html |
Originally Posted by EddScott
(Post 11352673)
Seems a bit unfair. New currency, no debt, they could make themselves quite a nice little tax haven.
If they keep the pound they ultimately share the debt, if they split, they want assets to go with the debt (seems fair - I assume they are primarily talking about RBS), if they cannot have assets or the pound, then they leave with nothing (no assets or debt). I think the middle one is what they will have to choose - even if they use a Scottish Pound, it won't be linked to the British Pound, but they will have debt and assets to go with it. |
Originally Posted by Miniman
(Post 11353337)
even if they use a Scottish Pound, it won't be linked to the British Pound, but they will have debt and assets to go with it.
Or would it? |
Originally Posted by Miniman
(Post 11353337)
You can understand their reasoning though.
If they keep the pound they ultimately share the debt, if they split, they want assets to go with the debt (seems fair - I assume they are primarily talking about RBS), if they cannot have assets or the pound, then they leave with nothing (no assets or debt). I think the middle one is what they will have to choose - even if they use a Scottish Pound, it won't be linked to the British Pound, but they will have debt and assets to go with it. It would be like giving the entire Daily Mail reading population the coolade from Jonestown. |
Some shops will take Scottish £ notes.
I can see Salmond's point: the UK government seem to want him to leave with nothing, yet still share the debt, which their own treasury has stated has acrrued to them. And as for "the oil output is expected to fall to new lows " just in time for the vote....aye...right! |
Originally Posted by RA Dunk
(Post 11353345)
We already have a Scottish pound that isn't recognised in England, so I guess it it woulden't be too hard to sever the link the the British pound?
Or would it? |
Originally Posted by alcazar
(Post 11353416)
Some shops will take Scottish £ notes.
I can see Salmond's point: the UK government seem to want him to leave with nothing, yet still share the debt, which their own treasury has stated has acrrued to them. And as for "the oil output is expected to fall to new lows " just in time for the vote....aye...right! |
Originally Posted by jonc
(Post 11353543)
I think it might be more to this than meets the eye. If Scotland did go independent and has no ties to the Pound Sterling, they then also lose their credit history. It will be a new country, new bank with a new currency and it is likely that should Scotland need to borrow money, and it will need to, with no credit rating or history to speak of, borrowing money from the international community will likely involve being charged high rates of interest for the privilege. This is why Alex Salmond wants to keep the Pound Sterling, Scotland will still be financed by the BoE, at least for the short term while they build up their economy and make preparations for another currency. After that, Scotland will likely ditch the pound as Scotland will never be truely independent if their financial policy is comes out of England.
If the Scottish government created an all new currency they would have no substantial assets to underwrite it (they don't actually own the oil companies undertaking the drilling), so would have to use the Scottish tax payer as the governments hedge against default, which would mean they would have to commit to higher personal taxes and lower spending to ensure the currency remains viable. Even in the best case scenarios Scotland's borrowing would be very costly and everyone not on a fixed mortgage would see their annual mortgage repayments jump significantly. |
Originally Posted by SirFozzalot
(Post 11352899)
But why exclude them? I don't understand. Scots all over the world can vote, except if you are in England. I know that is what was agreed, but why?
Those who will automatically be considered Scottish citizens are British citizens “habitually resident” in Scotland - including those who have a dual citizenship with another country. Scottish-born citizens currently living outside the country will also be considered citizens. |
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