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Originally Posted by gary77
(Post 11609786)
no but one camera managed to catch it . was it imposable for most cctv to film a plane in that year ?
if it did cross the viewing path of any cctv it would have been doing around 500mph i think and could of been any distance from it within reason and if it didnt pass cctv then well it doesnt matter how far away it was from the cctv it didnt pass or the speed it was doing while not passing cctv HTH Go and stand at the side of a motorway with a decent HD camcroder, fix the focus and stand there for ten minutes. When you get home, look at the footage and the cars will be blurred. That is from a camera that is far more advanced than the CCTV at the Pentagon. I would be more suspicious if they did have decent footage of the plane. Even if you discount that, you still have failed to say why so many eye witnesses said they saw a plane. Not a missile. Something as big as a 757 is quite distinguishable from a cruise of whatever type of missile some claim it was. As far as I know, no one on the day claimed to have seen a missile, it's purely based upon the damage to the Pentagon. I have looked and can't see that anyone did claim to see it, but even if someone did, it's a tiny minority and the vast majority of eye-witnesses say a plane flew over them and they saw it hit the Pentagon. Also, a missile wouldn't make a 75ft wide hole as the dynamics of a missile explosion are somewhat different to a fuel explosion. The former has much greater power (for obvious reasons) and the damage visible immediately after the crash would have been much greater. A fuel explosion is (which you see on the CCTV footage) is much more of a fireball, with much less destructive force. The plane itself has entered the Pentagon leaving the hole, and the heavier elements of it (landing gear, engines) punched hole in the inner rings. You do not see a nice plane shaped hole as the Pentagon is made of thick re-inforced concrete, the plane is not. A 75ft hole is large enough to accomodate both engines, which is why the hole is 75 ft, ot 16ft as some claim, as they were heavy enough to penetrate, unlike the filmsy wings. The evidence points at a plane, not a missile. |
If you had read what I said you would seen that I now agree it was a plane , also my question over cctv footage did not concern the one camera that caught it but the other 80 the fbi took , and if you stood a quarter of a mile from a motorway and filmed it what would you see ?And do toi mot sonder what all thé other cctv caméras around thé pentagon captured , if you do some reaserch you would know there were 2 more that would have caught something ,
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Originally Posted by gary77
(Post 11610771)
If you had read what I said you would seen that I now agree it was a plane , also my question over cctv footage did not concern the one camera that caught it but the other 80 the fbi took , and if you stood a quarter of a mile from a motorway and filmed it what would you see ?And do toi mot sonder what all thé other cctv caméras around thé pentagon captured , if you do some reaserch you would know there were 2 more that would have caught something ,
And what other two videos, from the hotel and garage across the road? |
Any cctv that would of picked it up approaching
I'm Just saying what other people have said , I don't know if there are answers it would take a lot of research , but if you look online there are plenty documentaries and options from highly quilified people |
http://rs42.pbsrc.com/albums/e319/ga...b6.jpg~320x480
Unsure if these cameras were added after 9/11 http://rs42.pbsrc.com/albums/e319/ga...44.jpg~320x480 http://rs42.pbsrc.com/albums/e319/ga...30.png~320x480 The ones on the roof are the ones I was referring to actually three , the highway one is a good example as well Also there are many conflicting eyewitness reports and a dispute over the flight data recorder info, and the hijackers flight instructor report on how bad a pilot he was combined with the flight path he took |
If you had read what I said you would seen that I now agree it was a plane ,also my question over cctv footage did not concern the one camera that caught it but the other 80 the fbi took , and if you stood a quarter of a mile from a motorway and filmed it what would you see ?And do toi mot sonder what all thé other cctv caméras around thé pentagon captured , if you do some reaserch you would know there were 2 more that would have caught something , |
I'm not sure what it would prove , how could I know what happened .
I've been going on about it to make it clear what my origanal comment was about because the people replying didn't seem to understand the point I was trying to make I've said my reasons for doubting the official story I don't think there is any need for me to say anymore |
Originally Posted by gary77
(Post 11610967)
I'm not sure what it would prove , how could I know what happened .
I've been going on about it to make it clear what my origanal comment was about because the people replying didn't seem to understand the point I was trying to make I've said my reasons for doubting the official story I don't think there is any need for me to say anymore |
Is it still going?
See, I told you, Gary. Just polling results would have sufficed your thread, and the discussion on the topic would have been inevitable. You are the most vocal debater on this thread, so just as well. :thumb: |
Gary I agree with you mate, the official story sucks big time, there are just to many secrets, too many doubts, changing stories, unexplained circumstances, answers, silences etc,,, why are the governments not telling us the entire story, hiding info, hiding images, something is being covered up somewhere, certain theories don't add up that people only want to question?
I for one second don't believe everything that we are being told, just too many unanswered questions to let it lie. The funny thing is when the entire truth does come out we will all be long gone, I suppose that's what D-notices are for,national security my a55 lol............tut tut mr Blair. |
Originally Posted by markjmd
(Post 11610987)
To most people I'm pretty sure that going from a position of not believing it was a plane that hit the Pentagon to believing it was would count as a pretty major step towards no longer doubting, so is that doubting present or past tense?
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Originally Posted by stipete75
(Post 11611148)
Gary I agree with you mate, the official story sucks big time, there are just to many secrets, too many doubts, changing stories, unexplained circumstances, answers, silences etc,,, why are the governments not telling us the entire story, hiding info, hiding images, something is being covered up somewhere, certain theories don't add up that people only want to question?
I for one second don't believe everything that we are being told, just too many unanswered questions to let it lie. The funny thing is when the entire truth does come out we will all be long gone, I suppose that's what D-notices are for,national security my a55 lol............tut tut mr Blair. It's unanswered because it is not suitable to answer it, or they don't know the answers. You can't fill in the gaps with something you have made up because you don't know. Of course, it could be a cover up, but the evidence really doens't point to that.
Originally Posted by gary77
(Post 11611347)
considering the eyewitness reports that saw a 757 AA plane it really does have to have been there , but because of the points i mention earlier i'm still not clear on exactly what happend or who by .
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YOU HAVE TO BE stupid to believe the conspiracy theories into 9/11, why would the USA government kill thousands of its own people, and we all know it was done by jihadists.
BTW, I like conspiracy theories, as long you don't take them seriously. |
Interesting watch regarding how the steels columns collapsed
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You can't deny it was muslim terrorists who were behind 9/11.
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Originally Posted by scoobyland
(Post 11613180)
You can't deny it was muslim terrorists who were behind 9/11.
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So were the Cameroonian government behind it then?
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Originally Posted by stipete75
(Post 11613176)
Interesting watch regarding how the steels columns collapsed
9/11 Experiments: The Great Thermate Debate - YouTube |
People who BELIVE In 9/11 conspiracies are probably trying to appease muslims by saying they weren't to blame.
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Originally Posted by stipete75
(Post 11613176)
Interesting watch regarding how the steels columns collapsed
Experiments: The Great Thermate Debate - YouTube |
Originally Posted by stipete75
(Post 11613176)
Interesting watch regarding how the steels columns collapsed
9/11 Experiments: The Great Thermate Debate - YouTube |
Originally Posted by gary77
(Post 11613287)
It's documentaries like that that make me question what the truth is.
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Originally Posted by Carnut
(Post 11613479)
The whole theory is based on jet fuel not being able to reach high enough temperatures, well a match can't melt metal but use it to start a fire and the materials that are eventually engulfed will.
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Oops - BBC Report Collapse Of WTC 7 – 26 Minutes Too Early
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I can't see that video at work, so you'll have to 'enlighten' me. Too early for what? Are you now trying to imply that BBC were part of the conspiracy?
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Originally Posted by Geezer
(Post 11613628)
I can't see that video at work, so you'll have to 'enlighten' me. Too early for what? Are you now trying to imply that BBC were part of the conspiracy?
http://www.wtc7.net/bbc.html I'd rather blame the BBC for a cock-up in their reporting (not the first time and certainly not the last) rather than the BBC were somewhow "in on it". |
Originally Posted by jonc
(Post 11613634)
This might help.
http://www.wtc7.net/bbc.html I'd rather blame the BBC for a cock-up in their reporting (not the first time and certainly not the last) rather than the BBC were somewhow "in on it". |
that BBC report has been explained time and time again - in a frantic day of live news reporting, they made a simple error that was corrected
but these idiots simply don't want to listen - even that even Dylan Avery the creator of Loose Change thinks it is rubbish http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/legacy/th...acies_iii.html |
Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
(Post 11613651)
that BBC report has been explained time and time again - in a frantic day of live news reporting, they made a simple error that was corrected
but these idiots simply don't want to listen - even that even Dylan Avery the creator of Loose Change thinks it is rubbish http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/legacy/th...acies_iii.html Do you know who owns Reuters :norty: |
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