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I had a Volvo V50 with all the trimmings when they first came out, was a very nice place to be... not going to set the world on fire speed wise, but was perfectly capable and more importantly for me... a little bit different to the usual Audi/ BMW tosh that you see everywhere.
My priority would be not to have a four cylinder diesel. Generally the cars I can think of that have more than four cylinders are just better in many other respects too.
45mpg diesel v 30mpg petrol is only a £3 a day fuel saving. Factor in insurance, servicing and depreciation and it could be even less. Add in one unforeseen maintenance cost and it could wipe it out completely.
40k may be reconsider. Mind you, if you are buying another car just so save fuel costs, then you are £15k down straight away!
45mpg diesel v 30mpg petrol is only a £3 a day fuel saving. Factor in insurance, servicing and depreciation and it could be even less. Add in one unforeseen maintenance cost and it could wipe it out completely.
40k may be reconsider. Mind you, if you are buying another car just so save fuel costs, then you are £15k down straight away!
Yer interesting argument - i'll admit i have not run the figures completely and would consider a petrol. However, are there many sub 8s 0-60 petrol estates that will do +30 mpg? I was hoping my forester would but its no where near unfortunately. I did look at the Mini Clubman but im not sure whether the size is truely an estate size
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I went out Saturday just to see some mercs, octavias and leons.
My Mrs said no to the Leon as the rear is a lot smaller than the others and to be honest the interiors were a bit tacky (and thats coming from someone with two Subarus!).
We looked at C class and E class and again the C class rear leg room was surprisingly small. The E class (E250 and E350) look great and interiors are lovely. Would be looking at higher miles (50-70k) though for my budget. The servicing at a specialist would not be as bad as i had originally thought either (£259 for major service). Still a contender although i would have to understand the real time MPG.
Although the car currently ticking all boxes is the Octavia. Loads of room, great looks and on paper great performance. A local dealer has a '15 plate with 27k on the clock for £15.5k.
So, when the Forester is sold i'll be heading out for test drives of the Octavia and probably an E250/350.
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Yer interesting argument - i'll admit i have not run the figures completely and would consider a petrol. However, are there many sub 8s 0-60 petrol estates that will do +30 mpg? I was hoping my forester would but its no where near unfortunately. I did look at the Mini Clubman but im not sure whether the size is truely an estate size
Skoda quote 42mpg for their 2013 petrol VRS, and 55mpg for the diesel equivalent. That would make the diesel just £10 a week cheaper to fuel.
I would definitely look into the numbers. 20k isn't really a lot of miles unless you are comparing a 4l V8 versus a 2.0 diesel.
Modern 2l petrol v 3.0l diesel is not going to work out much more than £1k a year in fuel. Then compare all the other costs and it could be immaterial.
I can give you the numbers if you have a few cars you want to compare.
Yes, this was another consideration, although the Passat would probably suit us better size wise. However they seem to be higher priced than the octavia/leon but based on the same DSG and engine if i'm not mistaken?
Skoda quote 42mpg for their 2013 petrol VRS, and 55mpg for the diesel equivalent. That would make the diesel just £10 a week cheaper to fuel.
I would definitely look into the numbers. 20k isn't really a lot of miles unless you are comparing a 4l V8 versus a 2.0 diesel.
Modern 2l petrol v 3.0l diesel is not going to work out much more than £1k a year in fuel. Then compare all the other costs and it could be immaterial.
I can give you the numbers if you have a few cars you want to compare.
Yes that would be interesting to see, thank you. I'm doing 20k a year (pro-rata) the last 6 months, although the year before i did 15k so i think 20k a year tops on the mileage front. My commute (without including site visits) is only 30 mile round trip.
I would be interested to see how the petrol VRS compares vs diesel VRS/ 40mpg E350 / 45mpg E250 works out.
Yes, this was another consideration, although the Passat would probably suit us better size wise. However they seem to be higher priced than the octavia/leon but based on the same DSG and engine if i'm not mistaken?
Bought the Golf new in March 2016 using Drive the Deal, manual with high spec, extended service plan and warranty for £25,500. I average 20k miles PA mainly motorway way miles to and from work circa 30m miles each way with the odd trip to other offices and site visits.
Apart from a couple of issues with the Discovery Pro head unit it has been faultless.
Checking Road Trip (MPG logging app) I average 48MPG and my monthly spend on fuel is circa £180.
Skoda use the same engine and running gear but don't have the same interior finish.
I absolutely love my C350 cdi, got it 2nd hand fully loaded with all the toys and AMG kit.
I do 38 miles each way to work and back and it is an absolute joy to drive on the motorway, doesn't even sound like a diesel with the V6, very torquey and very rapid even in Eco mode.
This car will get me points I'm sure, although I can only get 38 mpg. Also probably the best screwed together car I've ever had, destroys the 3 series in that respect imho.
Hooned a 1.6TSi Leon estate rental around a few months back, mostly motorway at 130km/h (80mph) and it averaged 42mpg; Not bad for a petrol. But performance whilst Ok wasn't exactly inspiring; would rather have the torque of a larger diesel that has the same or better MPG.
Yes that would be interesting to see, thank you. I'm doing 20k a year (pro-rata) the last 6 months, although the year before i did 15k so i think 20k a year tops on the mileage front. My commute (without including site visits) is only 30 mile round trip.
I would be interested to see how the petrol VRS compares vs diesel VRS/ 40mpg E350 / 45mpg E250 works out.
MPG as per Honest John (no real world average for Petrol VRS but Diesel VRS real world was 77% of claimed figured, so used that calc for the Petrol) followed by weekly fuel cost @20k annual (assuming Diesel currently £1.24 and petrol £1.21 national average - there will be a 3p difference anyway).
MPG as per Honest John (no real world average for Petrol VRS but Diesel VRS real world was 77% of claimed figured, so used that calc for the Petrol) followed by weekly fuel cost @20k annual (assuming Diesel currently £1.24 and petrol £1.21 national average - there will be a 3p difference anyway).
If your thinking of a skoda Octavia, look into a high spec superb the interior is much nicer with same running gear.
But a skoda is probably similar interior to a Leon, not that appealing. But the superb has nice seats and more room etc.
I just picked up a 2011 Volvo XC70 D5 - 202bhp and a shed load of torque. Really comfy on long journeys and top gear acceleration on motorways is awesome. It would take something very serious to pull away under the same conditions without dropping a cog. Handling wise, its not the best but then I've been driving an RRS for the past 5 years and that is solid. Masses of room too.
If the XC didn't float your boat (& I'm sure it wouldn't everyone's), then a V70 D5 would be next choice - 215bhp/325ft lb version and if you went for a RICA S2 tune would give you 275bhp & 395 ft/lb Much better handling.
I just picked up a 2011 Volvo XC70 D5 - 202bhp and a shed load of torque. Really comfy on long journeys and top gear acceleration on motorways is awesome. It would take something very serious to pull away under the same conditions without dropping a cog. Handling wise, its not the best but then I've been driving an RRS for the past 5 years and that is solid. Masses of room too.
If the XC didn't float your boat (& I'm sure it wouldn't everyone's), then a V70 D5 would be next choice - 215bhp/325ft lb version and if you went for a RICA S2 tune would give you 275bhp & 395 ft/lb Much better handling.
Interesting to hear. What MPG are you getting?
I like the look of the V60 but rear seat space looks limited. The XC70 i'm not fussed on looks wise, neither the standard V70 but the V70 R Design is nice. I would consider an R Design V70 if the right one came up.
22 September 2017, 09:38 PM
Which performance diesel estate?
, but we still have one.
Much better handling.
