Winter Tyres .......
29 January 2013, 10:25 PM
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It was what we grown ups call an analogy. Look it up.
Sorry to p1ss on your chips (again), but today I actually went out in the Scoob.... on summer tyres. And tomorrow if it's fine again I will go out in the Merc also on summer tyres as it needs a run out. 
Then next weekend/week when the temp drops again I will be back in the Volvo on the winter tyres. Thanks for asking though 
15 pages and you still don't get it 
Winter tyres are nothing to do with being an enthusiast, I just want to be able to drive safely in winter and get up the hills to my house in the snow/ice...
As for the cup tyres you will forgive me if I take your suggestion with a pinch of salt as after your performance on this thread I am not sure you have much worthwhile to offer.
Then next weekend/week when the temp drops again I will be back in the Volvo on the winter tyres. Thanks for asking though As for the cup tyres you will forgive me if I take your suggestion with a pinch of salt as after your performance on this thread I am not sure you have much worthwhile to offer.
29 January 2013, 10:31 PM
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No, what I actually said was you won't feel the difference until you need them. For example when you need to make that emergency stop in a few less metres to avoid killing that child that runs out in the road in front of you... even you must see that as a good thing... maybe!
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29 January 2013, 10:38 PM
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I don't think they can be made legal, it's not practical and anyway how many other factors come into play on the safety aspect... how good your brakes are for instance.
Your question on speed limits is an interesting one. On safety grounds I would have no issue with a 20mph limit in many urban areas, but I would offset that with an increase in the motorway limit and a cessation of the laregly unnecessary reduction of national speed limit roads to 50/40mph.
29 January 2013, 10:38 PM
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29 January 2013, 10:47 PM
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Not complicated at all. Read any informed article about the difference in compound composition of summer and winter tyres, and it'll always say it's road temperature that matters.
It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to see why, either, but then I'm reasonably certain you're not one of those
It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to see why, either, but then I'm reasonably certain you're not one of those
29 January 2013, 10:47 PM
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I try not to waste my time with those not worthy of it, somehow I have let my guard down again in this thread. Oh well
30 January 2013, 06:27 AM
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Not complicated at all. Read any informed article about the difference in compound composition of summer and winter tyres, and it'll always say it's road temperature that matters.
It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to see why, either, but then I'm reasonably certain you're not one of those
It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to see why, either, but then I'm reasonably certain you're not one of those
30 January 2013, 08:56 AM
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Wow how can so many people in northern Europe be so wrong?
Maybe we should just apoint Davyboy as the European transport minister due to his superior knowledge on road conditions and mrmadcap as his executive assistant. They are both far wiser and knowledable than the hundreds of thousands of Northern Europeans, Canadians and Americans, not to mention TÜV engineers and tyre manufacturers who waste their time and money on winter tyres.
Maybe we should just apoint Davyboy as the European transport minister due to his superior knowledge on road conditions and mrmadcap as his executive assistant. They are both far wiser and knowledable than the hundreds of thousands of Northern Europeans, Canadians and Americans, not to mention TÜV engineers and tyre manufacturers who waste their time and money on winter tyres.
30 January 2013, 10:08 AM
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Letting us make our own mind up if we buy winter tyres seems to work perfectly well.
There are places that get far, far worse winters than we do and it isn't law either. Cleveland Ohio with it's lake effect snow is one example I can give.
There are places that get far, far worse winters than we do and it isn't law either. Cleveland Ohio with it's lake effect snow is one example I can give.
30 January 2013, 10:18 AM
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Basically, every plonker like you on summer tyres decides "I don't need winter tyres in snow, I can drive to work with snow and ice on the road because I am awesome and the road will doubtless be gritted".
Queue enormous traffic jams and 3-4 hour journeys to get to or from work (which normally take 15 minutes) because:
a) Aforementioned selfish idiots weren't driving a vehicle fit for the conditions but chose to drive it anyway.
b) Idiots get stuck and can't get traction on their summer tyres, or worse, slide and hit someone else blocking the road, resulting in...
c) Tailbacks which affect people whose vehicles *were* fit for the conditions not being able to get home either. Nice.
That was this year and 2010 by the way.
Oh but yeah letting people make their own choice works fine
I despair
In short - it would work if people without summer tyres didn't try and drive their vehicles on roads covered in slush, snow and ice.
However, they do, and therefore I'd heavily fine every one of them who caused a jam or accident because their irresponsible behaviour has a knock on effect that ruins everyone else's day.
How would you like it if you were stuck on a motorway for 18 hours because of an accident caused by a lorry that had jackknifed due to its summer tyres?
You must surely have seen that on the news because you seem to be so clued up on everything else....
Please provide an explanation.....because obviously his summer tyres MUST have been fit for purpose, he must have done something else wrong....
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30 January 2013, 10:42 AM
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Not like me as I can choose to not use my car if it snows. I can work from home and my employeers are fine with this. I already did this a couple of times this year.
I'd agree, if they use the cars in the snow, then fine them - sounds like a solution. The same for lorries.
Why not write to your MP?
I'd agree, if they use the cars in the snow, then fine them - sounds like a solution. The same for lorries.
Why not write to your MP?
30 January 2013, 10:49 AM
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MrNoisy you are flogging a dead horse mate.
Surely a car on summer tyres in snow is the same as a car on bald tyres in rain, so how come one is allowed but the other isn't, when neither of them are fit to be on the road?
Surely a car on summer tyres in snow is the same as a car on bald tyres in rain, so how come one is allowed but the other isn't, when neither of them are fit to be on the road?
30 January 2013, 11:59 AM
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Yeah it works just great where I live near Reading.
Basically, every plonker like you on summer tyres decides "I don't need winter tyres in snow, I can drive to work with snow and ice on the road because I am awesome and the road will doubtless be gritted".
Queue enormous traffic jams and 3-4 hour journeys to get to or from work (which normally take 15 minutes) because:
a) Aforementioned selfish idiots weren't driving a vehicle fit for the conditions but chose to drive it anyway.
b) Idiots get stuck and can't get traction on their summer tyres, or worse, slide and hit someone else blocking the road, resulting in...
c) Tailbacks which affect people whose vehicles *were* fit for the conditions not being able to get home either. Nice.
That was this year and 2010 by the way.
Oh but yeah letting people make their own choice works fine
I despair
In short - it would work if people without summer tyres didn't try and drive their vehicles on roads covered in slush, snow and ice.
However, they do, and therefore I'd heavily fine every one of them who caused a jam or accident because their irresponsible behaviour has a knock on effect that ruins everyone else's day.
How would you like it if you were stuck on a motorway for 18 hours because of an accident caused by a lorry that had jackknifed due to its summer tyres?
You must surely have seen that on the news because you seem to be so clued up on everything else....
Please provide an explanation.....because obviously his summer tyres MUST have been fit for purpose, he must have done something else wrong....
Basically, every plonker like you on summer tyres decides "I don't need winter tyres in snow, I can drive to work with snow and ice on the road because I am awesome and the road will doubtless be gritted".
Queue enormous traffic jams and 3-4 hour journeys to get to or from work (which normally take 15 minutes) because:
a) Aforementioned selfish idiots weren't driving a vehicle fit for the conditions but chose to drive it anyway.
b) Idiots get stuck and can't get traction on their summer tyres, or worse, slide and hit someone else blocking the road, resulting in...
c) Tailbacks which affect people whose vehicles *were* fit for the conditions not being able to get home either. Nice.
That was this year and 2010 by the way.
Oh but yeah letting people make their own choice works fine
I despair
In short - it would work if people without summer tyres didn't try and drive their vehicles on roads covered in slush, snow and ice.
However, they do, and therefore I'd heavily fine every one of them who caused a jam or accident because their irresponsible behaviour has a knock on effect that ruins everyone else's day.
How would you like it if you were stuck on a motorway for 18 hours because of an accident caused by a lorry that had jackknifed due to its summer tyres?
You must surely have seen that on the news because you seem to be so clued up on everything else....
Please provide an explanation.....because obviously his summer tyres MUST have been fit for purpose, he must have done something else wrong....
30 January 2013, 12:24 PM
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OK
Bad analogy
Good analogy
Not an analogy
Got it, thanks
I feel like a fish out of water
Got it, thanks
30 January 2013, 12:31 PM
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No, clearly you haven't. 
Please don't project your lack of more than a very basic grasp of the English language into thinking I am wrong. I'm not.... you are just clearly incapable of understanding what I am saying! I can't write it any simpler, it's just not worth it.
Please don't project your lack of more than a very basic grasp of the English language into thinking I am wrong. I'm not.... you are just clearly incapable of understanding what I am saying! I can't write it any simpler, it's just not worth it.
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30 January 2013, 12:46 PM
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On balance, from a safety point of view, this would be the ideal scenario. The Germans with their high speed roads don't just do it for fun. You're coming from some sort of civil liberty angle and i just don't quite see why, it's a bit like asking when they said you have to have a red brake light on a car, would you have protested against that too?
03 February 2013, 09:16 PM
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Wow - no wonder I dont come on here very often these days - there's either some serious trolling going on or some seriously thick people around.
Winter tyres are better below 7 degrees - that doesn't mean they are worse above 7 !!! What it means is that summer tyres become less effective below 7 whereas winters keep on working.
They are broadly comparable up to the mid 20's before winters start to tail off & summers have a clear advantage.
I get continually bored of this debate with people who run their cars on a shoesting - I keep hearing that winter tyrtes are a waste of time / not needed in this country etc etc.
If you read all the research, it's obvious - if you've ever run winter tyres, you'll never go back.
I understand that for some people, there is a financial compromise and that's fine - just admit that rather than telling everyone that they are a waste of time.
If tyres were free - then most people, at least most people who are part of a motoring forum, would run with them - anything else is a compromise - which you are free to make.
Winter tyres are better below 7 degrees - that doesn't mean they are worse above 7 !!! What it means is that summer tyres become less effective below 7 whereas winters keep on working.
They are broadly comparable up to the mid 20's before winters start to tail off & summers have a clear advantage.
I get continually bored of this debate with people who run their cars on a shoesting - I keep hearing that winter tyrtes are a waste of time / not needed in this country etc etc.
If you read all the research, it's obvious - if you've ever run winter tyres, you'll never go back.
I understand that for some people, there is a financial compromise and that's fine - just admit that rather than telling everyone that they are a waste of time.
If tyres were free - then most people, at least most people who are part of a motoring forum, would run with them - anything else is a compromise - which you are free to make.
03 February 2013, 11:29 PM
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As I said earlier, no matter which tyres I have on the car, I am wearing out rubber whenever I drive. It doesn't matter whether it is one set which I will replace after 15-20k miles, or two sets I switch between which last me 30-40k miles shared, I will use just as much rubber. The fact that I happened to have some spare steelies means I didn't have to buy additional wheels, and the winter tyres for my car were pretty cheap anyway. The confidence that I won't be stranded anywhere, won't miss any time at work losing money, and most importantly that my family are safer (as long as some summer tired plank doesn't plough into us after we stop safely and they can't 
) makes the minimal bottom line expenditure well worth it for me.
I advise finding out the minimum wheel size you can fit to your car (usually dictated by what will clear the brakes) and go for a profile which then brings the diameter back to as near the OE size to retain speedo/gearing accuracy. This will give you a higher side-wall which is better for winter use, plus reduce the cost per tyre as smaller sizes tend to be cheaper. Scrap yards, eBay and owner forums are a good place to source discarded steelies or unused spare wheels at a good price.
) makes the minimal bottom line expenditure well worth it for me.I advise finding out the minimum wheel size you can fit to your car (usually dictated by what will clear the brakes) and go for a profile which then brings the diameter back to as near the OE size to retain speedo/gearing accuracy. This will give you a higher side-wall which is better for winter use, plus reduce the cost per tyre as smaller sizes tend to be cheaper. Scrap yards, eBay and owner forums are a good place to source discarded steelies or unused spare wheels at a good price.
04 February 2013, 12:06 AM
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Yeah it works just great where I live near Reading.
Basically, every plonker like you on summer tyres decides "I don't need winter tyres in snow, I can drive to work with snow and ice on the road because I am awesome and the road will doubtless be gritted".
Queue enormous traffic jams and 3-4 hour journeys to get to or from work (which normally take 15 minutes) because:
a) Aforementioned selfish idiots weren't driving a vehicle fit for the conditions but chose to drive it anyway.
b) Idiots get stuck and can't get traction on their summer tyres, or worse, slide and hit someone else blocking the road, resulting in...
c) Tailbacks which affect people whose vehicles *were* fit for the conditions not being able to get home either. Nice.
That was this year and 2010 by the way.
Oh but yeah letting people make their own choice works fine
I despair
In short - it would work if people without summer tyres didn't try and drive their vehicles on roads covered in slush, snow and ice.
However, they do, and therefore I'd heavily fine every one of them who caused a jam or accident because their irresponsible behaviour has a knock on effect that ruins everyone else's day.
How would you like it if you were stuck on a motorway for 18 hours because of an accident caused by a lorry that had jackknifed due to its summer tyres?
You must surely have seen that on the news because you seem to be so clued up on everything else....
Please provide an explanation.....because obviously his summer tyres MUST have been fit for purpose, he must have done something else wrong....
Basically, every plonker like you on summer tyres decides "I don't need winter tyres in snow, I can drive to work with snow and ice on the road because I am awesome and the road will doubtless be gritted".
Queue enormous traffic jams and 3-4 hour journeys to get to or from work (which normally take 15 minutes) because:
a) Aforementioned selfish idiots weren't driving a vehicle fit for the conditions but chose to drive it anyway.
b) Idiots get stuck and can't get traction on their summer tyres, or worse, slide and hit someone else blocking the road, resulting in...
c) Tailbacks which affect people whose vehicles *were* fit for the conditions not being able to get home either. Nice.
That was this year and 2010 by the way.
Oh but yeah letting people make their own choice works fine
I despair
In short - it would work if people without summer tyres didn't try and drive their vehicles on roads covered in slush, snow and ice.
However, they do, and therefore I'd heavily fine every one of them who caused a jam or accident because their irresponsible behaviour has a knock on effect that ruins everyone else's day.
How would you like it if you were stuck on a motorway for 18 hours because of an accident caused by a lorry that had jackknifed due to its summer tyres?
You must surely have seen that on the news because you seem to be so clued up on everything else....
Please provide an explanation.....because obviously his summer tyres MUST have been fit for purpose, he must have done something else wrong....
04 February 2013, 09:29 AM
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https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=347
and was told it was the most ridiculous post in the thread.
04 February 2013, 10:40 AM
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you may hit/kill something -- and that is a negative too
04 February 2013, 04:49 PM
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I pointed that out here..
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=347
and was told it was the most ridiculous post in the thread.
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=347
and was told it was the most ridiculous post in the thread.
Or do you think that everyone with winter tyres brakes hard all the time, even when it isn't necessary, just to show off how good their tyres are?
04 February 2013, 05:53 PM
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A positive point - as their insurance will have to pay up, their rad will probably get trashed but you can probably drive away with some rear end damage, while their rear end then gets taken out by the next turkey behind running summer tyres in the snow
04 February 2013, 08:19 PM
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This must be a troll ... but I'll bite one more time. Having your car rear-ended is obviously a negative point, but having winter tyres doesn't increase your chances of having your car rear ended (as you originally implied).