Unfecking believable - just how thick are some of the police force
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Unfecking believable - just how thick are some of the police force
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...dlers-car.html
Deja vu anyone?
Seriously, the force needs to sort its **** out
Deja vu anyone?
Seriously, the force needs to sort its **** out
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It doesn't say anything about the circumstances in that article. But it does say that the handler was distraught. At the end of the day, mistakes like this do happen, and even though there have been two reports within a certain period of time, that doesn't necessarily indicate a problem that's likely to continue. I bet there have been countless dog lovers who've done this through the years just as one of those things and then been inconsolable, just like this guy no doubt is.
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i cant see it myself , i mean this is the only job these people do isnt it ?? like theyre intertwined with the mutt all day long ??
i suppose youd have to extra careful with a police car not to have it broken into/stolen but even so
i suppose youd have to extra careful with a police car not to have it broken into/stolen but even so
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It doesn't say anything about the circumstances in that article. But it does say that the handler was distraught. At the end of the day, mistakes like this do happen, and even though there have been two reports within a certain period of time, that doesn't necessarily indicate a problem that's likely to continue. I bet there have been countless dog lovers who've done this through the years just as one of those things and then been inconsolable, just like this guy no doubt is.
There is no situation that warrants this, nothing at all. How can you forget about two animals in your car ?
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Joe public should face jail for this, a Police officer, who is trained to think on their feet and put in charge of an expensive and living resource should have the book thrown at them ..
There is no situation that warrants this, nothing at all. How can you forget about two animals in your car ?
There is no situation that warrants this, nothing at all. How can you forget about two animals in your car ?
As for how this could happen, well how could anything happen. How could someone run over their dog in their drive, or their child for that matter? Would you jail them too?
I can imagine how this would happen now. You arrive in your local supermarket car park with dogs in car. Making sure the windows were open would usually be the first thing you'd do, but this time something distracts you... maybe someone you know walking past and you get chatting to them. As you say your goodbyes you just lock the car with the remote and, rather than go straight into the supermarket, you go down the high street in town for a few things first. When you're down there you get what you need and then, in the last shop, meet someone else you know, who you haven't seen for ages. You get a bit lost in conversation, and by the time you start making your way back to your car with this first lot of shopping, an hour and a half has passed since you first left it. It's at this point you realise you forgot to put the windows down to let air in for your dogs. A horrible sense of guilt and panic sets in and you make a run for the car park, but by the time you get there it's too late...
So to answer the question "how could you forget about two animals in your car?" - because we're human, not robots. Not saying it's right, but these things do happen, and they're nothing more than human mistakes. The idea of punishing someone for it, or even sending them to jail, seems a bit ridiculous IMO.
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It is tragic.
But is prison really adequate? He's not a danger to the public. Maybe fining him and revoking his "dog squad" resposibilities is the right way. Hard for us to judge.
But is prison really adequate? He's not a danger to the public. Maybe fining him and revoking his "dog squad" resposibilities is the right way. Hard for us to judge.
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It doesn't say anything about the circumstances in that article. But it does say that the handler was distraught. At the end of the day, mistakes like this do happen, and even though there have been two reports within a certain period of time, that doesn't necessarily indicate a problem that's likely to continue. I bet there have been countless dog lovers who've done this through the years just as one of those things and then been inconsolable, just like this guy no doubt is.
As for doing so on what was probably the hottest day of the year so far I wouldn't even be leaving the dog in the car FFS, I could probably have every single window open fully and it would still be too hot. What he has done is inexcusable.
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Incredible that should happen after all the understandable fuss about that copper who did the same thing before.
That must have been a terrible experience for those poor dogs and the fact that they died makes the whole thing very much worse.
A man who is a dog handler should have the welfare of his dogs at the forefront of his mind and I cannot for the life of me think of an adequate excuse for his crass stupidity. He should have been thinking ahead before putting the dogs in such a position such as him being called out suddenly.
As someone said earlier, if any of us did it we would be facing a very heavy penalty and in this case, with a trained dog handler being responsible, the penalty should be very much heavier.
Can't believe that the Police Authorities are trying to ignore it. I sincerely hope they are shamed into strong action over the matter.
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That must have been a terrible experience for those poor dogs and the fact that they died makes the whole thing very much worse.
A man who is a dog handler should have the welfare of his dogs at the forefront of his mind and I cannot for the life of me think of an adequate excuse for his crass stupidity. He should have been thinking ahead before putting the dogs in such a position such as him being called out suddenly.
As someone said earlier, if any of us did it we would be facing a very heavy penalty and in this case, with a trained dog handler being responsible, the penalty should be very much heavier.
Can't believe that the Police Authorities are trying to ignore it. I sincerely hope they are shamed into strong action over the matter.
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He may have got a shout to an urgent incident.
He is obviously absolutely devastated, he tried to kill himself, I know what I would feel like if I accidentally hurt or killed our Dog, he may have been negligent, probably but I dont think it was casual or nomral, suspect there was a reason, Police Dog Handlers generally have a strong bond with their animal and it sounds like he is punishing himself more than any court could do.
He is obviously absolutely devastated, he tried to kill himself, I know what I would feel like if I accidentally hurt or killed our Dog, he may have been negligent, probably but I dont think it was casual or nomral, suspect there was a reason, Police Dog Handlers generally have a strong bond with their animal and it sounds like he is punishing himself more than any court could do.
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It doesn't say anything about the circumstances in that article. But it does say that the handler was distraught. At the end of the day, mistakes like this do happen, and even though there have been two reports within a certain period of time, that doesn't necessarily indicate a problem that's likely to continue. I bet there have been countless dog lovers who've done this through the years just as one of those things and then been inconsolable, just like this guy no doubt is.
i disagree. you're comparing apples with oranges. being a police dog handler is a profession - whereas being a dog owner is an unqualified, unlicensed amateur choice that many people still fail dismally at on a regular basis. and who, in circumstances like this, are rightly punished when taken to task by the relevant authorities.
for a trained police dog handler to commit a fatal professional error like this, on the hottest day of the year when public warnings about a snap heatwave have been all over the media, is gross negligence and he was clearly unsuitable for the role. how can you 'forget' that you have left two dogs in a slow cooker? he should be dismissed from his job and punished accordingly for animal cruelty, accidental or otherwise. a K-9 handler harming his charges is an omerta breach of code. i'm sure the man is distraught; tough. that's no help to the two animals he consigned to an agonising slow death through rank carelessness.
his constabularly should also be checking their procedures. if it is found that there are no processes in place to prevent such elementary mistakes - like a 10 second commonsense personal reminder from your boss to keep your dogs cool when the weather's hot - then the ****-kicking should proceed upwards at the requisite pace and intensity.
apologies for my directness; there is no grey area in this case. when it's broke, fix it.
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I dont think people always understand how easily a dog can be killed like this even though its well publicised, you or I would have survived it, grumpy and sweaty, but I suppose that is the key, Dogs cant sweat and are covered in fur, panting only does so much. We are really careful with our Dog as he tends to get too hot, the silly sod will chase round in full sun and then look really overheated so we ban the kids from playing with him when its really hot, we dont walk him until its cooled down and douse him from time to time with the hose, have given him ice cubes as well which he loves
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Apparently it's not the first time this particular copper's actions have caused the death of a police dog
Once could maybe excused (by some, not me) as a mistake, twice implies that there is something seriously wrong in this ******* head
If he was seriously trying to kill himself, he'd have managed it Smells to me more like he's building a defence
Once could maybe excused (by some, not me) as a mistake, twice implies that there is something seriously wrong in this ******* head
If he was seriously trying to kill himself, he'd have managed it Smells to me more like he's building a defence
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http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...=searchresults
Apprently he's done it before too, and had a disciplinary over the matter. how he could do it twice is beyond me.
Apprently he's done it before too, and had a disciplinary over the matter. how he could do it twice is beyond me.
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Jail's a bit OTT for accidentally leaving dogs in a car is it not?
As for how this could happen, well how could anything happen. How could someone run over their dog in their drive, or their child for that matter? Would you jail them too?
I can imagine how this would happen now. You arrive in your local supermarket car park with dogs in car. Making sure the windows were open would usually be the first thing you'd do, but this time something distracts you... maybe someone you know walking past and you get chatting to them. As you say your goodbyes you just lock the car with the remote and, rather than go straight into the supermarket, you go down the high street in town for a few things first. When you're down there you get what you need and then, in the last shop, meet someone else you know, who you haven't seen for ages. You get a bit lost in conversation, and by the time you start making your way back to your car with this first lot of shopping, an hour and a half has passed since you first left it. It's at this point you realise you forgot to put the windows down to let air in for your dogs. A horrible sense of guilt and panic sets in and you make a run for the car park, but by the time you get there it's too late...
So to answer the question "how could you forget about two animals in your car?" - because we're human, not robots. Not saying it's right, but these things do happen, and they're nothing more than human mistakes. The idea of punishing someone for it, or even sending them to jail, seems a bit ridiculous IMO.
As for how this could happen, well how could anything happen. How could someone run over their dog in their drive, or their child for that matter? Would you jail them too?
I can imagine how this would happen now. You arrive in your local supermarket car park with dogs in car. Making sure the windows were open would usually be the first thing you'd do, but this time something distracts you... maybe someone you know walking past and you get chatting to them. As you say your goodbyes you just lock the car with the remote and, rather than go straight into the supermarket, you go down the high street in town for a few things first. When you're down there you get what you need and then, in the last shop, meet someone else you know, who you haven't seen for ages. You get a bit lost in conversation, and by the time you start making your way back to your car with this first lot of shopping, an hour and a half has passed since you first left it. It's at this point you realise you forgot to put the windows down to let air in for your dogs. A horrible sense of guilt and panic sets in and you make a run for the car park, but by the time you get there it's too late...
So to answer the question "how could you forget about two animals in your car?" - because we're human, not robots. Not saying it's right, but these things do happen, and they're nothing more than human mistakes. The idea of punishing someone for it, or even sending them to jail, seems a bit ridiculous IMO.
I'm sorry, but that is the biggest crock of apologist ****e I've ever read
Are you a plod by any chance
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True, it was stupid and such a shame.
I dont think people always understand how easily a dog can be killed like this even though its well publicised, you or I would have survived it, grumpy and sweaty, but I suppose that is the key, Dogs cant sweat and are covered in fur, panting only does so much. We are really careful with our Dog as he tends to get too hot, the silly sod will chase round in full sun and then look really overheated so we ban the kids from playing with him when its really hot, we dont walk him until its cooled down and douse him from time to time with the hose, have given him ice cubes as well which he loves
I dont think people always understand how easily a dog can be killed like this even though its well publicised, you or I would have survived it, grumpy and sweaty, but I suppose that is the key, Dogs cant sweat and are covered in fur, panting only does so much. We are really careful with our Dog as he tends to get too hot, the silly sod will chase round in full sun and then look really overheated so we ban the kids from playing with him when its really hot, we dont walk him until its cooled down and douse him from time to time with the hose, have given him ice cubes as well which he loves
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As a dog owner - no mistakes like this do not happen. There is no way I would leave the car with the dog in it without any ventilation. Even in the middle of winter I'll have the rear windows open a bit.
As for doing so on what was probably the hottest day of the year so far I wouldn't even be leaving the dog in the car FFS, I could probably have every single window open fully and it would still be too hot. What he has done is inexcusable.
As for doing so on what was probably the hottest day of the year so far I wouldn't even be leaving the dog in the car FFS, I could probably have every single window open fully and it would still be too hot. What he has done is inexcusable.
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Why? A member of the public can get six months for this. As a supposedly responsible and respected member of the community police dog handlers should be looked up to by public dog owners. They should therefore make an example of him.
I also think that Mick off of Dog Borstal should be given half an hour alone (or perhaps with his favourite attack dog) with him in the cells with him tied to a chair
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Apparently it's not the first time this particular copper's actions have caused the death of a police dog
Once could maybe excused (by some, not me) as a mistake, twice implies that there is something seriously wrong in this ******* head
If he was seriously trying to kill himself, he'd have managed it Smells to me more like he's building a defence
Once could maybe excused (by some, not me) as a mistake, twice implies that there is something seriously wrong in this ******* head
If he was seriously trying to kill himself, he'd have managed it Smells to me more like he's building a defence
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