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01 December 2010, 10:47 AM
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If we win the bid to host the world cup it will generate a lot of money for our economy. Its not like we have to build loads of stadiums like South Africa did.
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You're all missing the point, you can't be positive about things, it's much better to be negative about everything.
Quite what any of the "3 ******" have actually done to be labelled so is beyond me too, but never mind.
Quite what any of the "3 ******" have actually done to be labelled so is beyond me too, but never mind.
01 December 2010, 11:53 AM
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No its not better to be negative about everything - much better to be realistic
Cameron isn't two faced then - no?
And it's hardly just a short trip to Zurich now is it when you take into consideration security etc.
Then lets not mention how many others there are
Do they all fly on a plane in the same cabin as other normal human beings?
What hotel are they staying in?
Dining out in expensive restaurants etc
And lets not even bother to mention how many others there are
Cameron isn't two faced then - no?
And it's hardly just a short trip to Zurich now is it when you take into consideration security etc.
Then lets not mention how many others there are
Do they all fly on a plane in the same cabin as other normal human beings?
What hotel are they staying in?
Dining out in expensive restaurants etc
And lets not even bother to mention how many others there are
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Perhaps we should've sent you, Dave Hutton and Les. Premier Inn and an economy flight's all you would need, your staggering bravery and charisma would have done the rest. 
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"... England expects to need to pay $2.5 billion on stadiums, the Netherlands and Belgium are budgeting $2.4 billion for stadium construction and renovation, Spain and Portugal would spend almost $2 billion, while Russia would have to build 13 stadiums from scratch for a projected $3.8 billion ..." And the tax payer will see how much of that? A feckin' big negative amount is what. And you know as well as I do that as soon as the award goes to the Uk then that $2.5Bn will swell to at least 4 times that amount, just like the Olympics.
And then there's FIFA .... "... Meanwhile, cash-strapped governments should not expect too much of a boost to state coffers if they win as FIFA demands tax exemptions from hosting countries, a fact which prompted a storm of criticism in the Netherlands earlier this year when the government published usually confidential details of its bid ..."
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Really? http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/011220...e-economy.html
"... England expects to need to pay $2.5 billion on stadiums, the Netherlands and Belgium are budgeting $2.4 billion for stadium construction and renovation, Spain and Portugal would spend almost $2 billion, while Russia would have to build 13 stadiums from scratch for a projected $3.8 billion ..." And the tax payer will see how much of that? A feckin' big negative amount is what. And you know as well as I do that as soon as the award goes to the Uk then that $2.5Bn will swell to at least 4 times that amount, just like the Olympics.
And then there's FIFA .... "... Meanwhile, cash-strapped governments should not expect too much of a boost to state coffers if they win as FIFA demands tax exemptions from hosting countries, a fact which prompted a storm of criticism in the Netherlands earlier this year when the government published usually confidential details of its bid ..."
Tw*t
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"... England expects to need to pay $2.5 billion on stadiums, the Netherlands and Belgium are budgeting $2.4 billion for stadium construction and renovation, Spain and Portugal would spend almost $2 billion, while Russia would have to build 13 stadiums from scratch for a projected $3.8 billion ..." And the tax payer will see how much of that? A feckin' big negative amount is what. And you know as well as I do that as soon as the award goes to the Uk then that $2.5Bn will swell to at least 4 times that amount, just like the Olympics.
And then there's FIFA .... "... Meanwhile, cash-strapped governments should not expect too much of a boost to state coffers if they win as FIFA demands tax exemptions from hosting countries, a fact which prompted a storm of criticism in the Netherlands earlier this year when the government published usually confidential details of its bid ..."
Tw*t
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No ones doubting it costs money to make make money, what that report doesn't say is how much that investment will produce. Anyway Eurosport would not be my source of info.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11875691
Even Bristol that has to build a stadium
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/...l/article.html
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Really? http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/011220...e-economy.html
"... England expects to need to pay $2.5 billion on stadiums, the Netherlands and Belgium are budgeting $2.4 billion for stadium construction and renovation, Spain and Portugal would spend almost $2 billion, while Russia would have to build 13 stadiums from scratch for a projected $3.8 billion ..." And the tax payer will see how much of that? A feckin' big negative amount is what. And you know as well as I do that as soon as the award goes to the Uk then that $2.5Bn will swell to at least 4 times that amount, just like the Olympics.
And then there's FIFA .... "... Meanwhile, cash-strapped governments should not expect too much of a boost to state coffers if they win as FIFA demands tax exemptions from hosting countries, a fact which prompted a storm of criticism in the Netherlands earlier this year when the government published usually confidential details of its bid ..."
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"... England expects to need to pay $2.5 billion on stadiums, the Netherlands and Belgium are budgeting $2.4 billion for stadium construction and renovation, Spain and Portugal would spend almost $2 billion, while Russia would have to build 13 stadiums from scratch for a projected $3.8 billion ..." And the tax payer will see how much of that? A feckin' big negative amount is what. And you know as well as I do that as soon as the award goes to the Uk then that $2.5Bn will swell to at least 4 times that amount, just like the Olympics.
And then there's FIFA .... "... Meanwhile, cash-strapped governments should not expect too much of a boost to state coffers if they win as FIFA demands tax exemptions from hosting countries, a fact which prompted a storm of criticism in the Netherlands earlier this year when the government published usually confidential details of its bid ..."
Tw*t
Dave
The other worry is the shambles of a team we have. By 2018 we won't be technically as good as the top teams and looking at our last effort will end up being the laughing stock as we exit with the worst record for a host team
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But at least we won't have to qualify.
01 December 2010, 01:47 PM
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Quite how england have to pay $2.5bn towards stadiums is quite funny due to the fact that the new stadiums that would be built are being paid for by the clubs No ones doubting it costs money to make make money, what that report doesn't say is how much that investment will produce. Anyway Eurosport would not be my source of info.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11875691
Even Bristol that has to build a stadium
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/...l/article.html
No ones doubting it costs money to make make money, what that report doesn't say is how much that investment will produce. Anyway Eurosport would not be my source of info.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11875691
Even Bristol that has to build a stadium
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/...l/article.html
Hmmm. Well, the BBC wouldn't be my source of info for b*g all to be honest but ho hum .... How about this report on the US bid that analyses the actual financial benefits seen from previous events? ... http://www.umbc.edu/economics/wpapers/wp_10_121.pdf ....
"... The lack of significant impact from the increase in World Cup-focused
foreign tourists is not unique to the German case or to the World Cup. Matheson (2008) describes a report from Forbes.com concerning foreign visitors to South Korea when it co-hosted the World Cup with Japan in 2002. The number of visitors was “identical to the number of foreign visitors during the same period in the previous year” when there was no World Cup competition. Additionally, Porter and Fletcher (2008) found little evidence of large increases in tourist traffic associated with the Salt Lake City Winter Olympics and Porter (1999) found little change in the hotel occupancy rates in Super Bowl host cities. In sum, there is a wide array of evidence that sports mega-events, including the World Cup, have little net impact on the number of tourists arriving and staying at the host destination. ..."
Basically all the talk of *boosting* the economy comes from the bid teams and when the *aftermath* is analysed it's all found to be without foundation.
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Goldman Sachs on the subject.
http://www2.goldmansachs.com/ideas/g...p-2010-doc.pdf
"England 2018
I am very honoured to present this overview of the
England 2018 Bid for the FIFA World Cup™.
We believe we have a compelling case and we have
consciously exceeded FIFA’s bidding requirements in
every category in order to try and gain the honour of
hosting the world’s greatest sporting event.
England is passionate about football. The beautiful game is
embedded in our national DNA, which is why the English
football family, our business community, the main political
parties and the public are united behind our bid.
This passion is encapsulated by the 7 million people who
play the game every week, the 30 million who passed
through the gates of our stadiums last season, and the
10.5 million dedicated participants and volunteers
involved at the grassroots level.
Passion is one of the foundation stones of our bid. It
means we can guarantee sold-out stadiums throughout the
event and packed FIFA Fan Fests fused with the vibrancy
and colour of one of the most diverse, multi-cultural and
welcoming populations on the planet.
Every country that has ever qualified for the FIFA World
Cup™ Finals has an England-based community of fans
awaiting them.
These communities will welcome their compatriots,
ensuring that the stadiums and streets of our cities will be
filled with supporters of every competing nation,
producing a unique festival of football for players, fans,
FIFA and its partners.
For those who cannot make it to England, our vision to
harness the latest digital technologies will mean fans
around the world will be able to share the experience no
matter where they are.
We have developed a technical bid that, we believe, is
comprehensive, compelling and creative. We have striven
to exceed FIFA’s requirements in all of the requisite
technical areas from stadiums to training camps, from
transportation to accommodation and from security to our
financial plans.
All visitors and teams will find England easy to get to,
easy to get around and easy to find the ideal place to stay.
Our infrastructure of stadiums, training facilities,
transport systems and accommodation is among the most
sophisticated, developed and secure in the world, backed
by our trusted experience of hosting major global events.
In such uncertain global economic times these attributes
also mean our bid minimises risk but maximises certainty.
Commercial certainty comes from England’s track record
as the leading commercial football market in the world.
Our business framework also delivers legal certainty.
In the key commercial areas of sponsorship, broadcast,
ticketing and hospitality sales, England is the clear global
leader, providing FIFA the platform to create the most
commercially successful FIFA World Cup™ to date.
For example, the Premier League is broadcast to 211
territories around the world, while 25% of the global
value of the UEFA Champions League broadcast rights
are generated from England.
That track record will translate into direct economic
benefits domestically and for FIFA.
Our Economic Impact Assessment conservatively
estimates that the UK economy will see a net positive
economic impact of £3.2 billion as a result of hosting the
FIFA World Cup™.
While, for FIFA, this benefit will come through the
maximisation of broadcast and sponsorship rights, and
ticketing and hospitality revenues.
All of these factors mean that England can deliver a
memorable and successful FIFA World Cup™ should we
be awarded the privilege of hosting the world’s greatest
sporting event.
But the most compelling reason for England to stage the
FIFA World Cup™ is that as a result of this festival of
football, generating unparalleled revenues in a low risk
manner, a platform will be created to help deliver a truly
sustainable football, social and environmental legacy
programme around the world.
A FIFA World Cup™ in England will not just be about
communities transformed in England, but just as
importantly it will be about the communities it can help
to transform in the rest of the world.
best possible accommodation for visitors. Russia is a
very welcoming country and fans from all over the world
will be able to experience our hospitality if we are given
the opportunity to host the tournament.
In view of this, the decision to nominate Russia as a
candidate for hosting the World Cup in 2018 is a
welcome one. Of course, there is a lot of work to be done
on the country’s football infrastructure to make Russia a
serious contender for the role, but no matter how the vote
goes, these efforts are bound to pay dividends before too
long."
http://www2.goldmansachs.com/ideas/g...p-2010-doc.pdf
"England 2018
I am very honoured to present this overview of the
England 2018 Bid for the FIFA World Cup™.
We believe we have a compelling case and we have
consciously exceeded FIFA’s bidding requirements in
every category in order to try and gain the honour of
hosting the world’s greatest sporting event.
England is passionate about football. The beautiful game is
embedded in our national DNA, which is why the English
football family, our business community, the main political
parties and the public are united behind our bid.
This passion is encapsulated by the 7 million people who
play the game every week, the 30 million who passed
through the gates of our stadiums last season, and the
10.5 million dedicated participants and volunteers
involved at the grassroots level.
Passion is one of the foundation stones of our bid. It
means we can guarantee sold-out stadiums throughout the
event and packed FIFA Fan Fests fused with the vibrancy
and colour of one of the most diverse, multi-cultural and
welcoming populations on the planet.
Every country that has ever qualified for the FIFA World
Cup™ Finals has an England-based community of fans
awaiting them.
These communities will welcome their compatriots,
ensuring that the stadiums and streets of our cities will be
filled with supporters of every competing nation,
producing a unique festival of football for players, fans,
FIFA and its partners.
For those who cannot make it to England, our vision to
harness the latest digital technologies will mean fans
around the world will be able to share the experience no
matter where they are.
We have developed a technical bid that, we believe, is
comprehensive, compelling and creative. We have striven
to exceed FIFA’s requirements in all of the requisite
technical areas from stadiums to training camps, from
transportation to accommodation and from security to our
financial plans.
All visitors and teams will find England easy to get to,
easy to get around and easy to find the ideal place to stay.
Our infrastructure of stadiums, training facilities,
transport systems and accommodation is among the most
sophisticated, developed and secure in the world, backed
by our trusted experience of hosting major global events.
In such uncertain global economic times these attributes
also mean our bid minimises risk but maximises certainty.
Commercial certainty comes from England’s track record
as the leading commercial football market in the world.
Our business framework also delivers legal certainty.
In the key commercial areas of sponsorship, broadcast,
ticketing and hospitality sales, England is the clear global
leader, providing FIFA the platform to create the most
commercially successful FIFA World Cup™ to date.
For example, the Premier League is broadcast to 211
territories around the world, while 25% of the global
value of the UEFA Champions League broadcast rights
are generated from England.
That track record will translate into direct economic
benefits domestically and for FIFA.
Our Economic Impact Assessment conservatively
estimates that the UK economy will see a net positive
economic impact of £3.2 billion as a result of hosting the
FIFA World Cup™.
While, for FIFA, this benefit will come through the
maximisation of broadcast and sponsorship rights, and
ticketing and hospitality revenues.
All of these factors mean that England can deliver a
memorable and successful FIFA World Cup™ should we
be awarded the privilege of hosting the world’s greatest
sporting event.
But the most compelling reason for England to stage the
FIFA World Cup™ is that as a result of this festival of
football, generating unparalleled revenues in a low risk
manner, a platform will be created to help deliver a truly
sustainable football, social and environmental legacy
programme around the world.
A FIFA World Cup™ in England will not just be about
communities transformed in England, but just as
importantly it will be about the communities it can help
to transform in the rest of the world.
best possible accommodation for visitors. Russia is a
very welcoming country and fans from all over the world
will be able to experience our hospitality if we are given
the opportunity to host the tournament.
In view of this, the decision to nominate Russia as a
candidate for hosting the World Cup in 2018 is a
welcome one. Of course, there is a lot of work to be done
on the country’s football infrastructure to make Russia a
serious contender for the role, but no matter how the vote
goes, these efforts are bound to pay dividends before too
long."
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£2.5bn on stadiums? B0llocks!.... to be blunt. We are already geared up for major tournements and like mentioned the clubs are paying for new stadiums anyway. Spurs, West Ham, Liverpool to name a few.
Even if no new stadiums were built we still have more than enough world class stadiums to host the event......
Even if no new stadiums were built we still have more than enough world class stadiums to host the event......
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Goldman Sachs on the subject.
http://www2.goldmansachs.com/ideas/g...p-2010-doc.pdf
"England 2018
I am very honoured to present this overview of the
England 2018 Bid for the FIFA World Cup™.
We believe we have a compelling case and we have
consciously exceeded FIFA’s bidding requirements in
every category in order to try and gain the honour of
hosting the world’s greatest sporting event.
England is passionate about football. The beautiful game is
embedded in our national DNA, which is why the English
football family, our business community, the main political
parties and the public are united behind our bid.
This passion is encapsulated by the 7 million people who
play the game every week, the 30 million who passed
through the gates of our stadiums last season, and the
10.5 million dedicated participants and volunteers
involved at the grassroots level.
Passion is one of the foundation stones of our bid. It
means we can guarantee sold-out stadiums throughout the
event and packed FIFA Fan Fests fused with the vibrancy
and colour of one of the most diverse, multi-cultural and
welcoming populations on the planet.
Every country that has ever qualified for the FIFA World
Cup™ Finals has an England-based community of fans
awaiting them.
These communities will welcome their compatriots,
ensuring that the stadiums and streets of our cities will be
filled with supporters of every competing nation,
producing a unique festival of football for players, fans,
FIFA and its partners.
For those who cannot make it to England, our vision to
harness the latest digital technologies will mean fans
around the world will be able to share the experience no
matter where they are.
We have developed a technical bid that, we believe, is
comprehensive, compelling and creative. We have striven
to exceed FIFA’s requirements in all of the requisite
technical areas from stadiums to training camps, from
transportation to accommodation and from security to our
financial plans.
All visitors and teams will find England easy to get to,
easy to get around and easy to find the ideal place to stay.
Our infrastructure of stadiums, training facilities,
transport systems and accommodation is among the most
sophisticated, developed and secure in the world, backed
by our trusted experience of hosting major global events.
In such uncertain global economic times these attributes
also mean our bid minimises risk but maximises certainty.
Commercial certainty comes from England’s track record
as the leading commercial football market in the world.
Our business framework also delivers legal certainty.
In the key commercial areas of sponsorship, broadcast,
ticketing and hospitality sales, England is the clear global
leader, providing FIFA the platform to create the most
commercially successful FIFA World Cup™ to date.
For example, the Premier League is broadcast to 211
territories around the world, while 25% of the global
value of the UEFA Champions League broadcast rights
are generated from England.
That track record will translate into direct economic
benefits domestically and for FIFA.
Our Economic Impact Assessment conservatively
estimates that the UK economy will see a net positive
economic impact of £3.2 billion as a result of hosting the
FIFA World Cup™.
While, for FIFA, this benefit will come through the
maximisation of broadcast and sponsorship rights, and
ticketing and hospitality revenues.
All of these factors mean that England can deliver a
memorable and successful FIFA World Cup™ should we
be awarded the privilege of hosting the world’s greatest
sporting event.
But the most compelling reason for England to stage the
FIFA World Cup™ is that as a result of this festival of
football, generating unparalleled revenues in a low risk
manner, a platform will be created to help deliver a truly
sustainable football, social and environmental legacy
programme around the world.
A FIFA World Cup™ in England will not just be about
communities transformed in England, but just as
importantly it will be about the communities it can help
to transform in the rest of the world.
best possible accommodation for visitors. Russia is a
very welcoming country and fans from all over the world
will be able to experience our hospitality if we are given
the opportunity to host the tournament.
In view of this, the decision to nominate Russia as a
candidate for hosting the World Cup in 2018 is a
welcome one. Of course, there is a lot of work to be done
on the country’s football infrastructure to make Russia a
serious contender for the role, but no matter how the vote
goes, these efforts are bound to pay dividends before too
long."
http://www2.goldmansachs.com/ideas/g...p-2010-doc.pdf
"England 2018
I am very honoured to present this overview of the
England 2018 Bid for the FIFA World Cup™.
We believe we have a compelling case and we have
consciously exceeded FIFA’s bidding requirements in
every category in order to try and gain the honour of
hosting the world’s greatest sporting event.
England is passionate about football. The beautiful game is
embedded in our national DNA, which is why the English
football family, our business community, the main political
parties and the public are united behind our bid.
This passion is encapsulated by the 7 million people who
play the game every week, the 30 million who passed
through the gates of our stadiums last season, and the
10.5 million dedicated participants and volunteers
involved at the grassroots level.
Passion is one of the foundation stones of our bid. It
means we can guarantee sold-out stadiums throughout the
event and packed FIFA Fan Fests fused with the vibrancy
and colour of one of the most diverse, multi-cultural and
welcoming populations on the planet.
Every country that has ever qualified for the FIFA World
Cup™ Finals has an England-based community of fans
awaiting them.
These communities will welcome their compatriots,
ensuring that the stadiums and streets of our cities will be
filled with supporters of every competing nation,
producing a unique festival of football for players, fans,
FIFA and its partners.
For those who cannot make it to England, our vision to
harness the latest digital technologies will mean fans
around the world will be able to share the experience no
matter where they are.
We have developed a technical bid that, we believe, is
comprehensive, compelling and creative. We have striven
to exceed FIFA’s requirements in all of the requisite
technical areas from stadiums to training camps, from
transportation to accommodation and from security to our
financial plans.
All visitors and teams will find England easy to get to,
easy to get around and easy to find the ideal place to stay.
Our infrastructure of stadiums, training facilities,
transport systems and accommodation is among the most
sophisticated, developed and secure in the world, backed
by our trusted experience of hosting major global events.
In such uncertain global economic times these attributes
also mean our bid minimises risk but maximises certainty.
Commercial certainty comes from England’s track record
as the leading commercial football market in the world.
Our business framework also delivers legal certainty.
In the key commercial areas of sponsorship, broadcast,
ticketing and hospitality sales, England is the clear global
leader, providing FIFA the platform to create the most
commercially successful FIFA World Cup™ to date.
For example, the Premier League is broadcast to 211
territories around the world, while 25% of the global
value of the UEFA Champions League broadcast rights
are generated from England.
That track record will translate into direct economic
benefits domestically and for FIFA.
Our Economic Impact Assessment conservatively
estimates that the UK economy will see a net positive
economic impact of £3.2 billion as a result of hosting the
FIFA World Cup™.
While, for FIFA, this benefit will come through the
maximisation of broadcast and sponsorship rights, and
ticketing and hospitality revenues.
All of these factors mean that England can deliver a
memorable and successful FIFA World Cup™ should we
be awarded the privilege of hosting the world’s greatest
sporting event.
But the most compelling reason for England to stage the
FIFA World Cup™ is that as a result of this festival of
football, generating unparalleled revenues in a low risk
manner, a platform will be created to help deliver a truly
sustainable football, social and environmental legacy
programme around the world.
A FIFA World Cup™ in England will not just be about
communities transformed in England, but just as
importantly it will be about the communities it can help
to transform in the rest of the world.
best possible accommodation for visitors. Russia is a
very welcoming country and fans from all over the world
will be able to experience our hospitality if we are given
the opportunity to host the tournament.
In view of this, the decision to nominate Russia as a
candidate for hosting the World Cup in 2018 is a
welcome one. Of course, there is a lot of work to be done
on the country’s football infrastructure to make Russia a
serious contender for the role, but no matter how the vote
goes, these efforts are bound to pay dividends before too
long."
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How many u-turns has he done?
He must be dizzy by this stage
It will cost the country a substancial amount of cash - and what will it get back from that?
I guarantee that whatever budget it get is exceeded - just like those bloody olympic games
He must be dizzy by this stage
It will cost the country a substancial amount of cash - and what will it get back from that?
I guarantee that whatever budget it get is exceeded - just like those bloody olympic games
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