SwissTony

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In a recent interview, General Norman Schwartzkopf was asked if he thought there was room for forgiveness toward the people who have harbored and abetted the terrorists who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks on America.

His answer was classic Schwartzkopf:


"I believe that forgiving them is God's function.

OUR job is to arrange the meeting."




Just watched a documentary about Tony Martin, the Norfolk farmer who fatally shot a burglar. He (Tony Martin) was interviewed for the programme. After a discussion about him getting his Murder conviction dropped to Manslaughter, he disclosed that during that legal process, the Crown objected to him having the murder conviction dropped, because:... 'he was a danger to burglars'




...and his response... "It wouldn't be a problem if a burglar was walking down a road, it's just when they decide to climb through my windows"

Leslie

I'd go along with all of that.

Les

_Meridian_

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Or perhaps more accurately, climb out of his window in order to run away...


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stilover

Just a shame we aren't like America. They're allowed to shoot the ******* with their Magnums. Now that would be worth being Burgled for.

SwissTony

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I would have thought they would be eating the magnums the fat ****ers

NotoriousREV

He had to have climbed in to need to climb out.

_Meridian_

iTrader: (1)

True, but the difference between shooting someone climbing in and climbing out is the difference between defending your property and murder.


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BOB.T

What are you, are scumbag trade union rep?

A scumbag got pwned, does it matter which way he was going?!

Trout

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Les,

help me understand how that fits with forgiveness? I thought the core of the New Testament was about love and forgiveness. As the Lord himself says it is not about the 99 sheep in the flock, it is the one that has lost its way.

Just curious as to whose role you think judgement is?

Trout

Fat Boy

LOL

bigsinky

Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out

Zod.

one I heard the other day....

....'the vagina is a massive and awe inspiring place'.

lightning101

I thought that the vagina's taxonomy defined it as "the worlds smallest hotel"


Apparently you have to leave your bags outside

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

One of my favourites:

'Winston, if I were your wife, I'd put poison in your coffee'
'Nancy, if I were your husband, I'd drink it'
- Winston Churchill to Lady Astor

Leslie

You do try hard Trout!

Nothing wrong in having a significant punishment for seriously bad actions as much as anything as for deterring those who are tempted to commit crimes.

Do you not think that 9/11 was a really bad thing to do and that it deserves the maximum punishment available?

Do you also think that Martin was wrong to defend his property and his own life as becomes necessary these days from burglars? If someone is going to rob you and is prepared to kill to avoid capture is it not reasonable to defend your own life? The answer as far as the burglar is concerned is simple-don't do it!

It is also an accepted fact in religious circles that the State has the right of the sword!

Forgiveness can be earned by the criminal by his true contrition for his actions and making good the wrongs he has committed. I would expect that to be a pretty rare thing myself.

It was a fair try at a religious troll though Trout

Les

_Meridian_

iTrader: (1)

As I thought I'd explained, Martin was NOT defending either his himself or his property: at the time he opened fire the two burglars were leaving his house, empty-handed. If anyone wants to advocate the Death Penalty for burglary, fine - but do not confuse defence with murder.


M