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Old 10 May 2008, 11:13 AM   #1
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Old 10 May 2008, 12:35 PM   #2
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... either that or Pirates maybe?
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Not sure about his poses in his Mr Olympia days, as quite a few bodybuilders do that pose.

I suppose conspiracy theorists will always be able to pick out lots of info on a subject to convince people of certain things.
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Many Hell's Angels wear a skull-and-crossbones: are they all ****-sympathisers? If you think so, can I watch when you tell them?

Pirates used to use the skull-and-cross bones as well (although nowhere near as much as people think) - were they ****-sympathisers?

During WW2 British submarines flew the Jolly Roger and used small versions to indicate the ships they had sunk. I'm fairly sure they didn't really like the *****.


Whoever wrote that site is an idiot.


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Many Hell's Angels wear a skull-and-crossbones: are they all ****-sympathisers? If you think so, can I watch when you tell them?

Pirates used to use the skull-and-cross bones as well (although nowhere near as much as people think) - were they ****-sympathisers?

During WW2 British submarines flew the Jolly Roger and used small versions to indicate the ships they had sunk. I'm fairly sure they didn't really like the *****.


Whoever wrote that site is an idiot.


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Old 10 May 2008, 09:07 PM   #6
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Who ever wrote that site has got too much time on their hands and obviously feels put out my Arnold's presence in the U.S govenment. What a looser. You could tie alot of people from Austria with links to the ****'s. After all wasnt Hitler from Austria?

And yes, as mensioned in the above posts, Bikers do use the Iron Cross.

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Least he's not bent over being spanked by a ****. We do things properly in blighty
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Many Hell's Angels wear a skull-and-crossbones: are they all ****-sympathisers? If you think so, can I watch when you tell them?

Pirates used to use the skull-and-cross bones as well (although nowhere near as much as people think) - were they ****-sympathisers?

During WW2 British submarines flew the Jolly Roger and used small versions to indicate the ships they had sunk. I'm fairly sure they didn't really like the *****.


Whoever wrote that site is an idiot.


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Schwarzenegger didn't have the photo made as a biker out on a weekend jaunt or as a British submariner from WWII. He had it made as the Governor of California, who represents many minorities. The point is not what it means absolutely, but how it may be taken and Schwarzenegger knows full well what the allusions are. It's amazing to what lengths people will go to brainwash themselves, like the officer in the YouTube sketch posted here, "Are We the Badies".
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Not sure about his poses in his Mr Olympia days, as quite a few bodybuilders do that pose.

I suppose conspiracy theorists will always be able to pick out lots of info on a subject to convince people of certain things.
If it is a common pose, show us an image of another weightlifter doing that same "Heil Hitler" pose. It seems to have been a signature pose for Schwarzenegger. Schwarzenegger was also qouted by various people and once caught on videotape (in Pumping Iron) expressing admiration for Hitler, Dictators or in one case a German war criminal, Kurt Waldheim, who was banned at the time from entering the US as a war criminal.
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If it is a common pose, show us an image of another weightlifter doing that same "Heil Hitler" pose. It seems to have been a signature pose for Schwarzenegger. Schwarzenegger was also qouted by various people and once caught on videotape (in Pumping Iron) expressing admiration for Hitler, Dictators or in one case a German war criminal, Kurt Waldheim, who was banned at the time from entering the US as a war criminal.
Who has created a fresh account especially for this thread ??

Am I being a conspiracy theorist now, for thinking this ?
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Old 11 May 2008, 03:31 PM   #11
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"Next a skit by Mitchell and Webb on the appropriateness of a skull design as a logo, contributed by “Daz34″ at ScoobyNet.com. A classic example of British humor. Thanks, Daz34"

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Actually - methinks Tristan is the site author....
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Probably worth mentioning that there are some pretty gruesome pics in that link.
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Probably worth mentioning that there are some pretty gruesome pics in that link.
There sure mate. The one where they are 'sardining' the women and children made me physically sick. Schwarzenegger is an enigmatic and iconic figure. I have been following him since the Eighties and his rise has been meteoric.

He has a dark side to his nature there is no question. Allegations about sexual harrasment, abusing fellow competitors before competitions. Nobody stood up to him so he got away with it (except Mike Mentzer who came close to hitting him). Arnie is no 'little boy lost' , he knows full well the implications of his actions. As the saying goes there is no smoke without fire.
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If it is a common pose, show us an image of another weightlifter doing that same "Heil Hitler" pose. It seems to have been a signature pose for Schwarzenegger. Schwarzenegger was also qouted by various people and once caught on videotape (in Pumping Iron) expressing admiration for Hitler, Dictators or in one case a German war criminal, Kurt Waldheim, who was banned at the time from entering the US as a war criminal.
I don't recall him expressing admiration for dictators in Pumping Iron. If he did it was edited out.
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Old 11 May 2008, 11:27 PM   #15
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I don't recall him expressing admiration for dictators in Pumping Iron. If he did it was edited out.
I concur.

He did mention 'powerful people' but no mention of the likes of Hitler.

Jesus was mentioned.


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Old 12 May 2008, 06:02 AM   #16
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I concur.

He did mention 'powerful people' but no mention of the likes of Hitler.

Jesus was mentioned.


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In Pumping Iron he said "I was always dreaming of very powerful people, dictators and things like that. I was always impressed by people that could be remembered for hundreds of years..."

It's in the website in the Slide Show. I suppose you two didn't even bother to look at it, before trying to excuse him. Several people have been qouted as saying Schwarzenegger "admired" Hitler and/or the *****. He tried to make a movie in the 90's, entitled "With Wings as Eagles" where he intended to play a "good" ****, so he could prance around before millions of adoring fans in a **** uniform.

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But people rediculed it so much that it was cancelled. Face it, Schwarzenegger has a little issue with Nazism. He is attracted to it. He's not the only unfortunately.
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I in no way support, approve of, condone in any way anything the **** party or Hitler did or orchestrated or stood for, but..

The man must have had some strength of character to galvanise an entire nation into action behind his vision (as appalling as it was) and that is something that can be admired. Its just a shame it was such a terrible vision. Similar to Alexander the great etc. If he'd said about Hitlers vision being brilliant, then id be worried.

Else wise no one should show admiration for Churchill either then, as he was a key member of the uk WW2 government and military machine that committed such atrocities as the Fire bombing of Dresden, a place with little or no strategic importance and was designed to cause mass loss of civilian life.

Many people have a dark background / past that doesn't mean that's who they are now, and much of opinion should be based on their better / current actions.
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My God, are there really Brits that want to compare a hero like Churchill with a perverse murderous barbarian, like Hitler. Political correctness is running more rampant than I thought. No wonder allusions to Nazism shown by a US politician in the international media doesn't bother some of them. The next time the Brits will cave in whining orgastic spasms of defeatism and the formerly "Great" Britain will lick the boots of their **** masters, like much of the rest of Europe did.
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Old 12 May 2008, 03:40 PM   #19
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Tristan, youre taking this all a little too seriously. The man is a ****: I dont think that he is secretly planning an Aryan coup.....
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Tristan, youre taking this all a little too seriously. The man is a ****: I dont think that he is secretly planning an Aryan coup.....
Quite!

And Jono has a valid point: there is a difference between someone saying that they respected someone's leadership skills and agreeing with their vision/views!

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Tristan 921, you dont half spout a load of [email protected]!

I made no comparision. Nore did I make a statement of support. All i did was point out that other, infinatley more admirable leaders have also had a hand in attrocities. They are seen as great people because the good they have done is deemed by society to outweight the bad.

Irrespective of these **** links and other poor behavious, Schwarzenegger does seem to be pushing a similar line to previous Californian governerns and driving the state in a healthier direction than the majority of the US. He's still a co(c)k though.

If you really want to get all conspiratorial about American (and european) polticians then concentrate more on the masonic links and what connotations they have. These are far more real and widespread than any puported ****'ism.
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In Pumping Iron he said "I was always dreaming of very powerful people, dictators and things like that. I was always impressed by people that could be remembered for hundreds of years..."

It's in the website in the Slide Show. I suppose you two didn't even bother to look at it, before trying to excuse him.
I did actually look at the clip not that I needed to. I have Pumping Iron on videotape and there is no mention of dictators in it. That's not to say he didn't say it as I already alluded to. It could have been edited out.
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I in no way support, approve of, condone in any way anything the **** party or Hitler did or orchestrated or stood for, but..

The man must have had some strength of character to galvanise an entire nation into action behind his vision (as appalling as it was) and that is something that can be admired. Its just a shame it was such a terrible vision. Similar to Alexander the great etc. If he'd said about Hitlers vision being brilliant, then id be worried.

Else wise no one should show admiration for Churchill either then, as he was a key member of the uk WW2 government and military machine that committed such atrocities as the Fire bombing of Dresden, a place with little or no strategic importance and was designed to cause mass loss of civilian life.

Many people have a dark background / past that doesn't mean that's who they are now, and much of opinion should be based on their better / current actions.
It's called charisma. All 'great' leaders have it in abundance. Hitler was also a phenomenal public speaker, when you have those qualities you can achieve whatever you desire.
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It's called charisma. All 'great' leaders have it in abundance. Hitler was also a phenomenal public speaker, when you have those qualities you can achieve whatever you desire.
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Lets not forget that the swastika is actually a very ancient symbol of good luck. You'll find it in churches and monasteries, and the mirror image is a Hindu symbol.

The skull and cross bones is an equally ancient symbol, and not the sole property on the ****'s. They used a lot of mythological, ancient and symbolic imagery, partly because they were into that sort of thing and also because it looked good.

I personally own a swastika and eagle style uniform badge from an SS officer. I'm glad to have it, because it was given to my grandfather at the end of the occupation by an SS officer. The same SS officer gave my grandfather a meagre share of his rations to help him when the food ran out after D-Day, and made sure the SS men who were billeted in my grandfathers house treated him with respect. He may of been SS, he may possibly of been a seriously evil man, who knows. But the symbol from his uniform is just that, a symbol. It's the sentiment BEHIND the symbolism that matters.

The long and short of it is, IT'S JUST A BELT BUCKLE FFS!

Oh, and IIRC the standard German uniform belt buckle had "Gott Mitt Uns" and an Imperial Eagle, as used during WW1.
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Quite!

And Jono has a valid point: there is a difference between someone saying that they respected someone's leadership skills and agreeing with their vision/views!

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Schwarzenegger said in Pumping Iron that he "dreamed of powerful people, like dictators" i.e. he is dreaming of being one.

Several other people have quoted him as admiring Hitler or making other similar questionable remarks about dictators, ***** and Nazism. Hitler's leadership skills were based on massmurdering those how opposed him. Those are not leadership skills that can reasonably be admired.

It doesn't take a conspiracy theory. This is just about what one person is doing. That is, a politician wearing symbols in the international media that can be taken as support of **** and/or racist views. That should not be accpeted.

It is amazing that so many people jump to defend him. But you never know who you may meet in the Internet. Most likely teenagers. So, I don't take it too seriously.
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Lets not forget that the swastika is actually a very ancient symbol of good luck. You'll find it in churches and monasteries, and the mirror image is a Hindu symbol.

The skull and cross bones is an equally ancient symbol, and not the sole property on the ****'s. They used a lot of mythological, ancient and symbolic imagery, partly because they were into that sort of thing and also because it looked good.

I personally own a swastika and eagle style uniform badge from an SS officer. I'm glad to have it, because it was given to my grandfather at the end of the occupation by an SS officer. The same SS officer gave my grandfather a meagre share of his rations to help him when the food ran out after D-Day, and made sure the SS men who were billeted in my grandfathers house treated him with respect. He may of been SS, he may possibly of been a seriously evil man, who knows. But the symbol from his uniform is just that, a symbol. It's the sentiment BEHIND the symbolism that matters.

The long and short of it is, IT'S JUST A BELT BUCKLE FFS!

Oh, and IIRC the standard German uniform belt buckle had "Gott Mitt Uns" and an Imperial Eagle, as used during WW1.
The point is that Schwarzenegger is wearing his SS-Like symbol in the international media. He does not just have it as a personal souvenir at home. There is a big difference.

What would you think if the Queen suddenly started wearing SS uniforms and Swastikas in public. It don't think the UK would approve very much. But it's just a symbol....
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Hitler's leadership skills were based on massmurdering those how opposed him. Those are not leadership skills that can reasonably be admired.

It doesn't take a conspiracy theory. This is just about what one person is doing. That is, a politician wearing symbols in the international media that can be taken as support of **** and/or racist views. That should not be accpeted.

It is amazing that so many people jump to defend him. But you never know who you may meet in the Internet. Most likely teenagers. So, I don't take it too seriously.
Its pretty evident there is no point attempting to engage in a debate with you on this subject as your statements point to a completely closed mind.

I think that last attempt at an insult shows that you most definitely do take the above comments seriously, but are unable to construct a suitable argument so you must resort to attempted insults.

You are of course entitles to you opinion on things, as is everyone. Enjoy your time on scoobynet.
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Schwarzenegger said in Pumping Iron that he "dreamed of powerful people, like dictators" i.e. he is dreaming of being one.
Yes, people jumped on the dictators bit and neglected to comment on the fact that he also mentioned Jesus!

I think the point he was trying to make is that he wanted to be remembered for generations to come.

He's never been the most sensitive soul, nor particularly savy when it comes to tact etc... What did everyone expect: he made his fortune out of his formidable physique not his political acumen..... and certainly not his acting!
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