Standard Life Windfall
26 April 2006, 03:34 PM
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Standard Life Windfall
Just got a letter and pack of boring ****e from them, instructing me that I am liable to receive a shares payment should they float.
Is this taxed at source, or do I have to pay tax by declaring it myself ?
Or should I feign ignorance ?
Is this taxed at source, or do I have to pay tax by declaring it myself ?
Or should I feign ignorance ?
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26 April 2006, 03:43 PM
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It is taxed as a capital gain once you sell your shares.
The windfall is likely to be so small as the SLAC management have negligently lost over £15,000,000,000 over the past five years and so squandered the members 'nest-egg' quite brilliantly.
I suspect around £1000 per policy on average so you are unlikely to incur capital gains.
Also as you have posted on a public forum ignorance would be hard to feign, and is not a credible legal argument!!
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The windfall is likely to be so small as the SLAC management have negligently lost over £15,000,000,000 over the past five years and so squandered the members 'nest-egg' quite brilliantly.
I suspect around £1000 per policy on average so you are unlikely to incur capital gains.
Also as you have posted on a public forum ignorance would be hard to feign, and is not a credible legal argument!!
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26 April 2006, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by lightning101
I didn't understand a word of that 
So £1000 tax free ay ?
So £1000 tax free ay ?
yep - on a with profits plan that wouldnt know a bonus if it fell over one, enjoy it!
26 April 2006, 04:27 PM
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Dammit. I got a letter from them saying I wasn't entitled to a windfall 
Why bother? grr!
Why bother? grr!
26 April 2006, 04:28 PM
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The pack should tell you roughly how many shares you're entitled do. You get a basic plus extra for the with profits stuff. Think mine was around 400 shares. They seemed to be suggesting they'll float at around the £2 mark.
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26 April 2006, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by stevem2k
and me 
Nothing if your pension is with them .
gits
Nothing if your pension is with them .gits
26 April 2006, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
I have a pension with them and am eligible. You did have to pre-register that you wanted the windfall etc and you also have to have been a member for so long etc etc
26 April 2006, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by lightning101
Just got a letter and pack of boring ****e from them, instructing me that I am liable to receive a shares payment should they float.
Lucky B@stard
........well done
....
at an expected £2.40 - £2.90 a share thats a tidy little sum if they float.
26 April 2006, 06:49 PM
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A 25 year Standard Life with profits endowment with premiums of £50 per month had a maturity value of around £100K in 1999; in 2006 the maturity value is more like £40K.
Part of this difference is down to the fact that interest rates were high in the early years of a policy maturing in 1999 so high annual bonuses were allocated in the early years (and once bonuses are allocated, they can't be taken away). The amount of bonus added each year is based on the sum assured plus bonuses already allocated. Annual bonus rates started dropping in the nineties as interest rates started falling.
Another reason is that Standard Life were heavily invested in equities until 2000/01. As share prices started dropping, they made the decision to sell shares and invest in bonds, which have a lower potential return but the return is guaranteed. As share prices have risen since the start of this year, this looks like a bad decision by them (but would be a good one if share prices plummet).
If you have a Standard Life (or any other) endowment sold to you for your mortgage, have a look at the Which website.
While I won't be telling Standard that I don't want the 761 shares, I'd have preferred the maturity values of a few years ago.
Part of this difference is down to the fact that interest rates were high in the early years of a policy maturing in 1999 so high annual bonuses were allocated in the early years (and once bonuses are allocated, they can't be taken away). The amount of bonus added each year is based on the sum assured plus bonuses already allocated. Annual bonus rates started dropping in the nineties as interest rates started falling.
Another reason is that Standard Life were heavily invested in equities until 2000/01. As share prices started dropping, they made the decision to sell shares and invest in bonds, which have a lower potential return but the return is guaranteed. As share prices have risen since the start of this year, this looks like a bad decision by them (but would be a good one if share prices plummet).
If you have a Standard Life (or any other) endowment sold to you for your mortgage, have a look at the Which website.
While I won't be telling Standard that I don't want the 761 shares, I'd have preferred the maturity values of a few years ago.
28 April 2006, 10:32 AM
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You could always vote against it. They need over 75% of people to agree to go ahead IIRc.
I'm inclined to vote against, as the windfall payment is hardly anything compared to a long term pension plan. Once the company becomes PLC, it answers to it's share holders and not the people who have policies.
Of course that's a very very simplistic way of looking at it, but experience has taught me that PLC's have different priorities.
And the people at the top who are saying "vote yes" - they don't stand to make personal fortunes out of it do they......
I'm inclined to vote against, as the windfall payment is hardly anything compared to a long term pension plan. Once the company becomes PLC, it answers to it's share holders and not the people who have policies.
Of course that's a very very simplistic way of looking at it, but experience has taught me that PLC's have different priorities.
And the people at the top who are saying "vote yes" - they don't stand to make personal fortunes out of it do they......
28 April 2006, 11:53 AM
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We've done quite well from Standard even though my GF and I are only getting just over the minimum amount of shares.
We only took out 2 small With Profits pensions because of the silly way Standard was paying commission on its pensions a couple of years back.
We only took out 2 small With Profits pensions because of the silly way Standard was paying commission on its pensions a couple of years back.
28 April 2006, 07:56 PM
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Well i think we should vote no i cant see how a company that pays profits to share holders rather than its members will benefit the members? still i am sure it will work out well for the few at the top
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