unclebuck

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That's a laugh[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img] We all know that the reason is the poor quality of manufactured boy/girl bands and other s**t like Will Young[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img] And all those rubbish retro guitar bands[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

None of it is *worth* buying, and it's all over priced anyway Good riddance to 'em all....

UB

rik1471

It is also due to the mass piracy and illegal availability of music. You can't deny that.

Dizzy

I deny iT!

pslewis

£3:99 for a single good riddance to em!!

Pete

NotoriousREV

It would help things if we weren't subjected to songs for 6 months before they get released. You hear a song you like (rare, these days) think "I'll buy that" then the DJ says "and that'll be released in January 2008" so I think "Kazzaa here we come..."

The first time you hear a record should be the day it's released, IMHO.

what would scooby do

I buy music I like - I'm not an MP3 council estate scumbag - only problem is there is no decent music (boy bands harumph!!!)

ditto

unclebuck

rik - that's a crock m8. Cassette tapes have been around for years and years, and they never made a difference.

That is the 'officiasl' music biz excuse for their lamentable policies of not supporting or developing 'quality' music acts, and just churning out cheaply manufactured talentless garbage. Don't believe the hype.

Dracoro

Consider.

a) Hear song you like but it's only on album & I'm not gonna buy the whole album for one song so I download it (payed or otherwise).

OR (and importantly)

b) Download song, like it, download another from same artist, like that artist then I go buy the CD.

MP3's can actually lead to more sales from people who wouldn't have bought the CD in the first case. Now some lesser known artists have exposure to the market that TOTP and record companies don't give them.

Current record sales are mainly down to the CRAP and over manufactured sh1te that is everywhere at the mo. I wonder if sales of non-manufactured artists are down to the same extent?

unclebuck

Consider also my mp3 collection. You won't find Will Young, Robbie Williams or S-Club in there.

The stuff I like is either mostly not available in HMV or Virgin or I would have to trawl around record fairs and the like to find a scratched old vynil copy and pay a collector's price to own it.

So how is that damaging the record industry??

ChrisB

It's also tosh because CD releases have declined.

Take the US, RIAAs own figures show approx 38,900 titles were released in 1999. In 2001, this figure fell to circa 27,000.

Less to buy = less sales, what's complicated about that?

Add in the vast majority of dross being released, over inflated prices in the UK and things become clear.

Teaser time. When was the last time a single went up to number one? A single used to enter the middle of the charts and work it's way up to #1. These days if a single doesn't make #1 on first day, there's little to zero chance to get there. As REV as says, there's so much pre-launch play for a record, everyone is board of it when it gets into the charts.

Boost II

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They should move with the times - we can easily share electronic files of all varieties and it makes the world a better place (except for Garry Glitter etc)

I bet all the **** shovellers went on like this when motor cars first took to the streets!

Would be nice to take the money out of the whole business IMHO so we may get some creative talent instead of mass produced sh1te - they make enough money from people ringing in to vote on Pop Idol anyway. If there was not so much money in recorded music it might revive the live music scene too - people will always pay to see a talented band live (if there were many left)

workshy_fopp

I wonder if their figures take into offshore sales from the likes of cd-wow and play.com, I doubt it - its the prices charged by virgin, our price etc. that's the crime.

Luke

Dont waste your money............600+ cds at least 400 copies from abroad. malaysia been the best copies. Total :£350.00...much cheaper and it helps the Artists suffer less drug problems....

Most of the new stuff doesnt deserve any money!!

Jye_0

People pay for pre-recorded music, mainly fillers?

If bands can make it live in my neck oh the woods once in a while then np, but work for it if u want my cash ffs.

Guess I better get rid of me ol tape collection

john_s

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When (or if!) the record co's manage to eliminate piracy, and they are still knocking out the same old cr4p, which still no one buys, sales will still continue to fall.

Who or what do they blame then?

The record co's are just taking the short term view of ££££/$$$$, instead of looking at the real problems.


John

Hoppy

Remember when VHS killed off the film industry? It was swiftly followed by a boom in movie going...? The music business gets no symapthy from me.

IWatkins

I never used to buy music, used to just record the charts off Radio 1 onto a C90

I buy more music (legally) today than I ever did. It just happens it is none of the sh*te that is in the charts (usually).

I would argue that I download music to listen to, yes, fine. If I like it I'll go and buy the CD. How is that different to listening/taping off the radio then if you like it going and buying the CD etc. ?

Cheers

Ian

Makalu

You know what...?

If someone releases a really great and original sounding CD - lots of people buy it! (Take a look at 'By The Way' from the Chili Peppers - massively original and MULTI - platinum in many countries!!!)

If you release another 'me too' boy/girl/tranny band imitation of somebody elses ideas - then hey, its no great surprise that no one above the age of 12 is going to buy it. We are not all stupid enough to fall for the hype that the industry create (and blow budget on instead of supporting new artists)

The record companies have no one to blame but themselves for this sorry mess they call a music 'industry'. For a long time they have dictated what we should listen too. For a long time we did it. Now we choose to vote with our wallets and the general concensus is that the music industries choice of music is sheite!

Mak.
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GaryK

Yep agree

its funny how when the monopolies and mergers commission looks into the over inflated price of CDs nothing ever happens! To quote Bono who once said "its not home recording thats killing music, its crap music thats killing music!" I for one are one of those individuals who prefers the 'real' article and still buys CDs in addition to downloading loads of stuff from kazaa, its a the same lame argument when casette tapes came out and when vcr's came out and neither of those did long term damage.

In the case of the film companies they are offering more, certainly in the case of DVDs I'll happily pay the money for a 2 disc collectors edition which is full of extras, rather than being palmed off with a remastered copy of an old film.

alcazar

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It's the overpricing, IMHO, that's the main problem.
While you can still buy a CD in Britain for £12, and the same CD in USA for $12, people are bound to wonder.
And when the record companies trot out their crap excuse for their prices: how much it costs to make a CD, then you see a boxed set of classical music advertised on TV at less than £1 per CD, is there any wonder people vote with their wallets?
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Scot123

Mak spot on mate.

EMI( I think) signed Robbie Williams for 80 million quid when the nearest offer was around 40 million, and this was after he split from his songwriter and said 'I'm past my best anyway'. WTF are these people on?????? I seriously doubt they're going to rake that back in quickly. They could have got him for 40 million and spend the rest on up and coming new bands. Who knows in a few years the could have ended up with 10 new U2s etc. Utter greed and sheer stupidity.

They are on their knees and they know it! I for one will cheer when they all go down the pan, it can't come soon enough.

Ralf

EVERY industry is down at the moment and CDs and records are the most unnecessary items in a crisis. So what do they expect??? They blame someone else for their own problems.

For piracy: Mick Jagger (not likely to fear loss of money any more but in the business for some time now) said he fears not piracy. The Rolling Stones are a live band. That cannot be caught on tape and downloaded.

Freak

lol
I do buy some stuff- but rarely new. I also download loadsa stuff.

I download stuff to use @work....then buy a cheapy compliation album or whatever in a few months time when its in the bargain bin or reduced....simply to have the original somewhere for copyright reasons..ahem (PRS kiss my *** )
Id buy a lot more vinyl+Cds- if it wasnt so ridiculously overpriced in certain places....and also if there was better quality tunes.
Fed up of boy band/pupstars etc rubbish.

Simply laying the blame on pirates is a big cop out IMHO

[Edited by Freak - 2/10/2003 4:17:18 PM]

Eric the Fish

I think the popularity of TATU proves that Kazaa & the like can actually HELP to get the word out about new bands & new albums etc.

Their album, pictures, video, life story etc have been all over Kazaa for ages and they STILL manage to get to number one!

The UK record industy should learn to use the new technology to help promote music and make sure the deserving artists get paid for their performance, which is only fair.

I liken downloading to being like 'additional airplay' so I can decide if I really want to buy it. If I something find I really like I will most likely buy the CD anyway, as I'm still not won over with mp3 quality & I need it to go in the car (no mp3 in there yet)

I will also go to the concerts as I love LIVE music, but there is just so little good stuff to go and see!

I agree that most of it is their own fault for pandering to the 10-18 market with boybands & bimbobands, even if the later do look better

[Edited by Eric the Fish - 2/10/2003 6:44:11 PM]

unclebuck

Hopps - I remember that debate (as well as the audio cassette one) too

mp3 is merely the latest 'version' of that. No threat to them. They are ruining it for themselves IMO.

Pete Waterman and that Lithgo bloke have a lot to answer for [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

[Edited by unclebuck - 2/10/2003 10:50:33 PM]

dpb

Just been listening to Blonde on Blonde on deezer, omg

Its probably not quite a fair comparison but it doesn't sound at as nice as the last time I played it ( on vinyl), probably 1982

Someone's got to it in other ways as well n

Raptorman

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Holy thread resurrection Batman!!!!!