rayman

The following is the Real Bush you don't know about...Please do your own research...This is not fiction it is FACT.

On October 20, 1942, the US Alien Property Custodian, under the "Trading With the Enemy Act," seized the shares of the Union Banking Corporation (UBC), of which Prescott Bush was a director and shareholder. The largest shareholder was E. Roland Harriman. (Bush was also the managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman, a leading Wall Street investment firm.)

The UBC was established to send American capital to Germany to finance the reorganization of its industry under the *****. Their leading German partner was the notorious **** industrialist Fritz Thyssen, who wrote a book admitting much of this called "I Paid Hitler."

Among the companies financed was the Silesian-American Corporation, which was also managed by Prescott Bush, and by his father-in-law George Herbert Walker, who supplied Dub-a-Ya with his name. The company was vital in supplying coal to the **** war industry. It too was seized as a ****-front on November 17, 1942. The largest company Bush's UBC helped finance was the German Steel Trust, responsible for between one-third and one-half of **** iron and explosives.

Prescott Bush was also a director of the Harriman Fifteen Corporation, (this one owned largely by Roland's brother, Averell Harriman), which owned about a third of the Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation, the rest owned by Friedrich Flick, (a member of Himmler's "Circle of Friends" who donated to the S.S.).

Republican Presidential candidate Bush's great-grandfather, Bert Walker, helped organize the Harriman investment in the Hamburg-America Line of ships, of which grandfather Prescott became a director. It was seized on August 28, 1942 because it was used to give free passage to **** propaganda and propagandists, and had earlier shipped guns to the ****'s private armies to assist their takeover of Germany.

Further examples would be more tedious than shocking. But, given these evil financial dealings, how did Prescott later become a Republican Senator, and George H.W. become President? Well,the two leading attorneys for these Bush-Harriman-**** deals were John Foster Dulles, later Secretary of State under Eisenhower, and Allen Dulles, future head of the CIA.

Prescott's father, Samuel P. Bush, owned Buckeye Steel Castings Co. which made parts for the Harriman brothers' father's (E.H. Harriman) railroads. Harriman's financing for the railroads came largely from William Rockefeller. These shipped the oil of his brother John D. Rockefeller, the founder of Standard Oil. (This was the origin of the two Georges' involvement in the oil business.)

Samuel Bush became a leader in President Woodrow Wilson's "War Socialism" as director of small armaments and ammunition on the War Industries Board (which set up coercive price-fixing cartels over American industry during World War I). There, Bush assisted Percy Rockefeller (son of William) in his takeover of small arms manufacturers.

The elder George Bush continued the family tradition of support for totalitarian governments by supporting the Communist Chinese in the UN, and by directly aiding its military as President.

Will the younger George Bush continue to support big government, or will he support free markets? His first political act was a tax increase to subsidize his baseball stadium. When libertarians and conservative Republicans were opposing the bailout of American banks that loaned money to the Mexican government, the Texas Governor supported it, because of his connections to those Wall Street Banks.

This is in keeping with the actual history of the Republican Party. It was founded in the 1850's explicitly as the party of high taxes to subsidize politically connected businesses, (then known as "internal improvements"). All Republican Presidents in the last fifty years have continued to increase the size of the government, and claims of support for free markets and lowered taxes are mere rhetorical cover. Texas Governor George Bush will continue that tradition.

hotsam

Joseph Kennedy and Henry Ford also had **** ties.

Katana

But this seems to be acceptable nowadays..

rayman

But why? and on the expense of innocent lives.

skipjack

i don't agree it's become acceptable.

we just don't visit the sins of the fathers on the sons. and rightly so.

after all, who was max moseley's grandad? the blackshirt sir oswald moseley. doesn't make max a bad man, does it?

CrisPDuk

Slight thread hijack here, but it is related. This cropped up on Question Time last night.

In 1983 Ronald Reagan, then President of the United States, despatched an envoy team from the State Department to assist U.S. ordnance companies in selling both conventional & chemical weaponry to the armed forces of Iraq, required for their ongoing war with Iran. That team was headed by one Donald Rumsfeld

No wonder he is so desperate to invade, his signature is on what is probably the only remaining copy of the export licence[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img] in an office in Baghdad

CrisPDuk

Another slightly related hijack here, Standard Oil, along with General Motors were responsible for the unecessary introduction of leaded petrol to the world.

There was an article by Jamie Kitman in Car magazine last year, culled from his own research thesis, which is available to view online but I can't remember the site. I'll post the link when I find it.

skipjack

and can you remember the reason why the west was supplying iraq with weapons and intelligence in its war with iran?

isolated historical facts mean little unless placed in the context of the time they took place.

CrisPDuk

The West, or more accurately the United States was massively subsidising the Iraqi war effort as a direct result of their being on the receiving end of another very public butt-f**king* from a bunch of primitives (the Iranians) over the embassy affair.
This event occurred whilst they were still licking their wounds over Vietnam.
Additionally the Americans have long had a policy of destabilizing the Middle-East in an effort to keep control of the oil, as, although they are one of the world's largest producers, they are the worlds largest consumer, and as a result dependent on oil imports, following decades of continued profligate waste.


*I believe this most excellent phrase first came to popular usage as a result of the film Die Hard, but I am prepared to stand corrected.

skipjack

oh what reactionary, ill-informed *****. go straight to the muppet forum.

a little history lesson for you:

when ayatollah khomeini's fundamentalist muslim movement kicked out the shah's regime (executing the shah) in 1979, there was a clear risk of an extremist iran toppling and absorbing the more secular and non-muslim ba'athist iraq under hussein. hussein at this time was not the man (and government) he is now. (although he was pretty grim, granted).

this possibility of a recreated persia, a fundamentalist anti-western muslim superstate with a huge standing army and vast oil reserves was a concern to the US, the UK, NATO and the then EEC. The oil crisis of the 73/74 when OPEC forced up the price of oil and caused widespread economic disruption in our neck of the woods was still fresh in peoples' minds.

so then, when hussein goes to war with iran (to head off the exact same fear), who do you think the west is going to choose to support? (bear in mind the importance of oil to our economy and the importance to the region of some sort of - relative - stability where no-one country is massively dominant).

an anti-western fundamentalist religious nutter or a secular military dictator who moves with commercial neutrality between the west and the eastern bloc?

it was a diplomatic no-brainer: "he was a son-of-a-bitch but he was *our* son of a bitch," as is the way with realpolitik.

of course, the iranian hostage affair only helped to cement the western viewpoint.

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whilst we're on the subject, the US rescue mission was aborted without the iranians playing any part. again, if you care to remember your facts, the rescue mission was binned after two troop and equipment transports went down in a sandstorm killing several US servicemen. without the means the execute the rescue, they pulled out.

i don't know, perhaps you'd have wanted to leave the embassy civilians behind to whatever fate may have been planned.

skipjack

with regard to oil imports, the US takes only 17 per cent of its oil from the middle east.

europe takes 19 per cent and if you're interested, japan takes 76 per cent of its oil from the middle east.

rayman

Skipjack here a little history lesson,

During World War II, Okinawa was invaded by the Japanese, and 'annexed' in the same way the Hawaiian Islands were. America captured Okinawa toward the end of the war. After the war, the US signed a deal with Japan that ceded control of Okinawa to Japan, with an agreement that the US could keep the best real estate on the island for military use. They took nearly the entire east and west coasts of Okinawa, which they retain to this day.

Naturally, the Okinawan people, who consider themselves Ryuku and NOT Japanese, were given no say in any of this - no say in being ruled by Japan, and no say in the theft of their land by the United States.

There have been endless protests against the US presence in Okinawa. Hundreds of thousands of people have turned up at times to demand the withdrawal of US troops. The rate of rapes and sexual assaults in Okinawa is six times that of the rest of Japan.

The rape of Japanese girls by Americans, often girls under the legal age of consent, has become commonplace in Okinawa. The majority of Okinawans don't want the Americans there, which they express at the polls year after year by electing anti-US candidates to press the issue with both the US and Japanese governments. Despite their efforts, the Americans won't leave.

But America is 'not an Empire'.

In Pakistan, the people have also expressed their view of an American presence at the polls, where the Islamists made huge gains in the federal election, and once again handed Musharraf his hat at the recent local elections. The people don't want American bases there, but Bush has no intention of leaving until the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan Oil pipeline is built.

But America is 'not an Empire'.

American troops in Kuwait are being attacked and shot at almost daily as their presence increases in the Middle East. Even the Kuwaiti people who were once invaded by Saddam don't want them there. But there is no chance in Hell that the US troops are leaving until Bush has set up a US friendly government in Baghdad and stolen Iraq's oil.


But America is 'not an Empire'.

Hugo Chavez was elected in a landslide in 1998. He believes that the wealth of Venezuela's natural resources should be used to help the poor, and not just to enrich a small number of George BushÕs friends. Thus, Chavez is considered by Bush, who couldn't even win a majority in a fixed election, to be an illegitimate leader. The Bush administration attempted a coup in April, which failed. The coup leaders are now hiding in the United States, where they were welcomed with open arms for their Terrorist activities in Venezuela.

But America is 'not an Empire'.

In 1895, Jose Marti helped lead the Cuban people to freedom from Spanish rule, after years of planning overseas. America promptly betrayed the Cuban revolution, and set up its own puppet government, which ceded Guantanamo Bay to the United States without consulting the Cuban people. The United States has been asked to leave Guantanamo Bay for more than forty years, but they refuse to do so.

But America is 'not an Empire'.

Now, Guantanamo Bay is being used to get around inconvenient things like Constitutional rights, human rights, the Geneva Convention, and the rights of man declared in America's own Declaration of Independence. Like Rome and **** Germany, Bush is creating a two-tiered legal system - one set of laws for those with the 'right papers', and another set for everyone else.

But America is 'not an Empire'.

North and South Korea have been trying to establish a dialogue to work toward re-unification. George Bush has been doing everything in his power the prevent this from happening, and is trying his hardest to divide and conquer, so the US can keep its base in Seoul and prevent a united Korea from laying claim to the Spratly Islands.

Even the leaders in Korea have been protesting the US presence and the Standard Of Forces Agreement (SOFA). The SOFA agreement is aptly named, as it has been used by American GI's to turn places like Olongapo, Okinawa, and Seoul into their own private casting couch.

Shops in Seoul have even taken to boldly displaying signs saying, 'AMERICANS ARE NOT WELCOME HERE'. But the troops won't leave.

Re-unification of Korea is going to be allowed by the US only after Exxon has laid its claim to the Natuna gas fields in the Spratlys. Until then, the bases and large presence of US troops will remain, despite the protests, despite the attacks on American troops in Seoul, and despite the wishes of both North and South Koreans.

But America is 'not an Empire'.

Russia, North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Cuba, the Sudan, Chile, Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina, Vietnam, Cambodia, and many others who have dared suggest that the mineral resources beneath their feet belong to them and not to American companies have all suffered under attempted coups, invasions, bombings, sanctions, and military blockades that have killed millions. The people of these nations, who unlike Americans have no say in what their government does, are innocent victims of these sanctions, and hundreds are dying daily, deliberately being starved and denied essential medicines by US sanctions.

But America is 'not an Empire'.

If it's not an empire, what is it?

What do you call 140 plus military bases, many of them in places where they're unwelcome, unhelpful, and do nothing but add to the number of little girls raped or killed by US Marines?

barge

******* hell

heavy post alert

CrisPDuk

rayman, you forgot the Philipines. during the 90's over 80% of all violent assaults, murders, rapes & drug related incidents reported were performed by U.S. servicemen, who then got transferred out of town never to face trial.

Mr evolution

Funny skipjack that the USA also supplied weapons to the Iranians as well though isn't it.