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Should it have been fraudulent though? Look at current issues, like say the Ireland boarder. Where the hell was that in the leaflet that tax payers paid for that Cameron called “Key facts”? Even if the content were more factually accurate, should such a leaflet be funded by the tax payer at all?
If illegal campaign funding caused an elecorate swing, who is to say that the iffy methods of funding that leaflet galvanised leavers and made others reject such a underhanded campaign?
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Should it have been fraudulent though? Look at current issues, like say the Ireland boarder. Where the hell was that in the leaflet that tax payers paid for that Cameron called “Key facts”? Even if the content were more factually accurate, should such a leaflet be funded by the tax payer at all?
If illegal campaign funding caused an elecorate swing, who is to say that the iffy methods of funding that leaflet galvanised leavers and made others reject such a underhanded campaign?
Here is that very leaflet - it makes for quite interesting reading
https://assets.publishing.service.go...for-the-uk.pdf
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The £9 million Remainer Campaig was UK tax payers money. In legal terms that in itself was dubiously spent from Government coffers. No outcry about that.
Banks was funding his own personal campaign and did not directly pay into the Leave agenda. Some of the Electoral Commission members are outspoken Remainers, so hardly neutral in their pursuit of Aron Banks.
As a UK domiciled taxpayer Mr Banks was "completely permissible to donate money to campaigns as he sees fit".
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The £9 million Remainer Campaig was UK tax payers money. In legal terms that in itself was dubiously spent from Government coffers. No outcry about that.
Banks was funding his own personal campaign and did not directly pay into the Leave agenda. Some of the Electoral Commission members are outspoken Remainers, so hardly neutral in their pursuit of Aron Banks.
As a UK domiciled taxpayer Mr Banks was "completely permissible to donate money to campaigns as he sees fit".
Anyway, I'm sure if he's done nothing wrong that will soon become clear
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This story (and the reaction to it) is just another good reason why a 2nd referendum is such a terrible idea.
This country is so divided, half the country seems to despise the other half. Even claims of wrong doing (proven or otherwise) are either leapt upon or waived away depending upon which side of the argument you sit. It seems that even the law of the land can be wilfully sacrificed, if it doesn't support a certain view point. Not so much 'taking back control of our Laws', more like ignore them when it suits
I dread to think of the repercussions of a 2nd vote!
This country is so divided, half the country seems to despise the other half. Even claims of wrong doing (proven or otherwise) are either leapt upon or waived away depending upon which side of the argument you sit. It seems that even the law of the land can be wilfully sacrificed, if it doesn't support a certain view point. Not so much 'taking back control of our Laws', more like ignore them when it suits
I dread to think of the repercussions of a 2nd vote!
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This story (and the reaction to it) is just another good reason why a 2nd referendum is such a terrible idea.
This country is so divided, half the country seems to despise the other half. Even claims of wrong doing (proven or otherwise) are either leapt upon or waived away depending upon which side of the argument you sit. It seems that even the law of the land can be wilfully sacrificed, if it doesn't support a certain view point. Not so much 'taking back control of our Laws', more like ignore them when it suits
I dread to think of the repercussions of a 2nd vote!
This country is so divided, half the country seems to despise the other half. Even claims of wrong doing (proven or otherwise) are either leapt upon or waived away depending upon which side of the argument you sit. It seems that even the law of the land can be wilfully sacrificed, if it doesn't support a certain view point. Not so much 'taking back control of our Laws', more like ignore them when it suits
I dread to think of the repercussions of a 2nd vote!
It was bad enough the first time. It would be pure pandemonium if a referendum were to be re-ran.
The hysteria on this is beyond silly, press, pundits and politicians alluding to the Russians influencing the electorate via social media and now claiming they bankrolled the campaigns. Is this press sensationalism, underhanded political meddling or a case of conspiracy and espionage. I’m past caring even if it is all true.
I’ll deal with whatever happens the same as in previous incidents, like the banking crashes, recessions and local mass deindustrialisation of the area I live.
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Would that be acceptable?
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I drink in my local with a lot of older men who all voted out due to immigration and that's me being polite on their views but when I said Europe is more than immigration and what about trade? I was told that was my selfish reason for voting to remain. That is the mentality of the average leave voter.
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I drink in my local with a lot of older men who all voted out due to immigration and that's me being polite on their views but when I said Europe is more than immigration and what about trade? I was told that was my selfish reason for voting to remain. That is the mentality of the average leave voter.
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Indeed, most pub pundits around here blame the EU for the factory and industrial business closures as we as a country are not competitive with the likes of China etc. Most of the immigration round here was from non-EU countries. We somehow escaped the Polish invasions so this was secondary, although the non-EU economic migrants posing as asylum seekers is always a talking point, the only local impact is a cartel of Albanian hand car washes which is paltry in comparison.
If I challenged them stating these are UK issues not the the EU’s and that fault lies at the feet of Westminster politicians, many would agree. But they’d still vote leave. I suppose I could call them protest voters, but the ONS statistics on leave voter reasons beg to differ
If I challenged them stating these are UK issues not the the EU’s and that fault lies at the feet of Westminster politicians, many would agree. But they’d still vote leave. I suppose I could call them protest voters, but the ONS statistics on leave voter reasons beg to differ
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I Voted remain.
If there were another vote i'd vote "Shove Europe up your ****ing **** - We're OUT - NO DEAL !"
Assuming that is one of the options.
We need to get away from these thieving scum ASAP.
If there were another vote i'd vote "Shove Europe up your ****ing **** - We're OUT - NO DEAL !"
Assuming that is one of the options.
We need to get away from these thieving scum ASAP.
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Also if the 'suggestion' was punctuated with a question mark, then it would be clearer to all us gullible plebs that it was indeed a suggestion, fortunately we have you to interpret for us.
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