Grenfell Bonfire
06 November 2018, 12:20 PM
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disgusting wonder if if they did that with the twin towers when they fell ehhh sick b4sturds
06 November 2018, 02:05 PM
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06 November 2018, 02:30 PM
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06 November 2018, 11:19 PM
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Any arrest or charges will be for posting it publicly on the interweb with the intent of causing upset, distress, etc. If you want to burn cardboard effigies of bunny rabbits, girl-scouts and Her Majesty the Queen in the privacy of your own garden, you're perfectly entitled to do that, so long as that's where it stays.
07 November 2018, 12:36 AM
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I’m sorry, yes this is offensive, inappropriate, bad taste, satire gone too far (re:’victimfell’ ).
BUT
Hate crime? police involvement? The media flying Drones over their house?
FFS
When five kids got stabbed in the same week in the same city, what is more important? Some inbred pissed up cockneys pratting around in their private garden, or organised crime, gang culture and the grooming of teenagers to do the dirty work of their peers? Where do want you police resources focussed on, prosecuting a bunch of prats or chasing down gang leaders and murderers?
To me this stinks of a slow news day...Nothing new about Brexit, Trump/midterms are still pending, and nobody got killed/injured from faulty fireworks or shoddy displays.
This was a headline grabber...it will be totally forgotten this time next month. I feel we are fast heading into a world where we get offended for sake of being offended; Whilst yes this is offensive, it’s down to you to choose if you want to be offended...I’ve heard worse conversations from builders and Stuart Lee comes close on some occasions too...has he been arrested for public order offences?
Perspective:
Discuss..,
BUT
Hate crime? police involvement? The media flying Drones over their house?
FFS
When five kids got stabbed in the same week in the same city, what is more important? Some inbred pissed up cockneys pratting around in their private garden, or organised crime, gang culture and the grooming of teenagers to do the dirty work of their peers? Where do want you police resources focussed on, prosecuting a bunch of prats or chasing down gang leaders and murderers?
To me this stinks of a slow news day...Nothing new about Brexit, Trump/midterms are still pending, and nobody got killed/injured from faulty fireworks or shoddy displays.
This was a headline grabber...it will be totally forgotten this time next month. I feel we are fast heading into a world where we get offended for sake of being offended; Whilst yes this is offensive, it’s down to you to choose if you want to be offended...I’ve heard worse conversations from builders and Stuart Lee comes close on some occasions too...has he been arrested for public order offences?
Perspective:
Discuss..,
Last edited by ALi-B; 07 November 2018 at 07:39 AM. Reason: Meh!
07 November 2018, 09:14 AM
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Whilst the Grenfell Tower effigy was very bad taste, I still don't understand what crime has been committed ? How is it any different to this : thousands-gather-to-watch-theresa-may-and-boris-effigies-burn-on-lewes-bonfire . Don't see anyone kicking up a fuss about the latter.
07 November 2018, 09:29 AM
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07 November 2018, 09:42 AM
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Yet we deem it acceptable to burn effigies of some Catholics every year, people who were rebelling against extreme religious persecution, and who endured the most terrible deaths.
Time, it would seem, is how we determine what is acceptable, not the tragedy of what actually transpired.
I think they were foolish to do it, but it does seem a bit of a waste of resources to see this through.
Time, it would seem, is how we determine what is acceptable, not the tragedy of what actually transpired.
I think they were foolish to do it, but it does seem a bit of a waste of resources to see this through.
07 November 2018, 09:58 AM
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Yet we deem it acceptable to burn effigies of some Catholics every year, people who were rebelling against extreme religious persecution, and who endured the most terrible deaths.
Time, it would seem, is how we determine what is acceptable, not the tragedy of what actually transpired.
I think they were foolish to do it, but it does seem a bit of a waste of resources to see this through.
Time, it would seem, is how we determine what is acceptable, not the tragedy of what actually transpired.
I think they were foolish to do it, but it does seem a bit of a waste of resources to see this through.
not quoting you to start an argument between sides , just purely that this is more recent people that have died and their names put on a bonfire. Very specific targeting (as in not burning a tricolour or Union Jack and the usual generic stuff)
Don't think its the passing of time thats the difference , just the fact its Norn Iron and it "just happens".
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07 November 2018, 10:56 AM
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07 November 2018, 11:59 AM
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I agree - whilst it was utterly bad taste of the highest order, I do think it has been jumped on by the whole Grenfell media frenzy in desperate attempt to make it way more than it is.
But Hate crime? Prison time?
The biggest mistake was some muppet posting it online.
But Hate crime? Prison time?
The biggest mistake was some muppet posting it online.
07 November 2018, 12:29 PM
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Clearly the replies show i'm in the minority in finding how abhorrent it is that the deaths of 72 people can be laughed at and to go to such lengths in making a detailed model of the disaster. I think it's more than just bad taste FFS. These people are sick in the head to do what they did, forget prison/police they need locking up in a mental institute. For anyone to find it funny they are deranged plain and simple.
07 November 2018, 01:20 PM
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Clearly the replies show i'm in the minority in finding how abhorrent it is that the deaths of 72 people can be laughed at and to go to such lengths in making a detailed model of the disaster. I think it's more than just bad taste FFS. These people are sick in the head to do what they did, forget prison/police they need locking up in a mental institute. For anyone to find it funny they are deranged plain and simple.
Sadly, what they have done doesn't appear to breaking any laws. Posting on the internet may get them, but there would have to be proof of intent to offend. My guess is it will be difficult to prove such an offence and if so, then only the person who posted the video, not all those who attended/contributed.
Given their address will be well known now within the community, one can only hope an appropriate level of social justice will be dispatched!
07 November 2018, 03:11 PM
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Clearly the replies show i'm in the minority in finding how abhorrent it is that the deaths of 72 people can be laughed at and to go to such lengths in making a detailed model of the disaster. I think it's more than just bad taste FFS. These people are sick in the head to do what they did, forget prison/police they need locking up in a mental institute. For anyone to find it funny they are deranged plain and simple.
07 November 2018, 05:01 PM
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Clearly the replies show i'm in the minority in finding how abhorrent it is that the deaths of 72 people can be laughed at and to go to such lengths in making a detailed model of the disaster. I think it's more than just bad taste FFS. These people are sick in the head to do what they did, forget prison/police they need locking up in a mental institute. For anyone to find it funny they are deranged plain and simple.
Blackadder Goes Forth to bring some context.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" (which is often misattributed to Voltaire himself) as an illustration of Voltaire's beliefs. Hall's quotation is often cited to describe the principle of freedom of speech.
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07 November 2018, 06:07 PM
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Blackadder Goes Forth to bring some context.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" (which is often misattributed to Voltaire himself) as an illustration of Voltaire's beliefs. Hall's quotation is often cited to describe the principle of freedom of speech.
Evelyn Beatrice Hall made the original quote I believe
07 November 2018, 08:07 PM
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Blackadder Goes Forth to bring some context.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" (which is often misattributed to Voltaire himself) as an illustration of Voltaire's beliefs. Hall's quotation is often cited to describe the principle of freedom of speech.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidanc...cases-naturism
They could be done for outraging public decency or causing a public nuisance due to the wide interpretation of those charges as morality is covered. Personally I don’t see any value in that and what would be more damaging is the press outing those responsible and naming and shaming them.
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