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andy97

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There are many electric bikes now. Even the heavy ones will outpower a professional rider up a hill. Most will have 250W motor, add that to a average rider of 200W, 450W up a long hill, not even pros can maintain that

dpb

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/p...23?jwsource=cl


not so sure about that, this vivax (in the vid ) adds only 100w uphill

andy97

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The Pinarello has 250W nominally and 400W max power output . I've seen these bikes ridden by very old folk up Ventoux and sail passed me

http://www.pinarello.com/en/bike-2018/e-bike/nytro

dpb

Thats also 13kg ! and 6000 pounds !

andy97

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The weight is irrelevant, my ti bike weighs 10kg, so 3 extra kg for a 250W boost is worth the extra weight many times over. There are many, virtually all manufacturers are making an electric bike.

They will be a great success in getting more people to ride It.takes them further and up steeper hills they would never dream of attempting.

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andy97

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If you dont pedal, at least it gets you out of a car, which is a good thing. People will pedal a little.
You can get bike for 8kg in varying prices.

andy97

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100W + 200W rider. For a non dedicated cyclist, Id love to have that, even if it was only a 100w from rider, 200W going up a hill without breaking sweat

dpb

Well if it did actually get people out their cars yes its a god thing

dpb

I suspect the reality is the whole notion is adopted by well off /older people only for the most part

https://stromeruk.com/

andy97

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These types of bikes are ideal for city workers, who need to go to work in smart clothes but don't want to arrive sweaty. A nice easy commute, less cars, less pollution, more space and healthier people.

andy97

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This bike is currently £1500 electric
https://www.jejamescycles.com/raleigh-strada-e-electric-city-bike.html?sc_customer=0-1409-405642&sc_src=email_2334862&sc_llid=6140&sc_lid=86 759212&sc_uid=10ZCPrq5cE&sc_eh=826853c45f92c0101&e mst=10ZCPrq5cE_6140_2334862_10

also several others at the bottom worth a look. Government should push these with ride to work incentives

dpb

Its a motor strapped to a bike , with a heavy rear hub AS WELL

20 KG . No riding feel whatsoever

... My as well get an E18 moped at 600 quid cheaper

dpb

In order to get people out en masse these things will have to go below a grand

andy97

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cycle to work scheme, is £1k, so could top up for decent Ebike

Puff The Magic Wagon!

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Gov (once brexited) should change the law to make pedal assist permissible up to 20mph from 15.5mph. 15.5mph in traffic is almost suicidal, whereas a bit more to say 20mph, would allow you a lot more ability to get out of trouble. BJ tried to change that when he was Mayor of London but got told he couldn't 'cos of Brussels. You would also get a lot more take-up of eBikes.

Pedal assist to 15.5mph is like hitting a brick wall once v max is achieved, especially on a 20kg bike with gearing designed to use that extra 250W

andy97

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18-20 mph should be fine for top speed. The rate of acceleration should be kept in check so not to out pace normal cycle pace. Else its just like a moped mixing it with cyclist. In Holland lower powered mopeds. can use cycle paths, that is not the issue, it's the acceleration and pace difference is the problem

JackClark

I want one for casual, non sweaty riding. There's a ******** in my town who rides a stupidly fast thing, like 50mph, ***** like him don't help.

dpb

To get an ultegra /hydraulic disc braked model ( but still alloy ) of bike i saw is 3000 quid ! , and that one is 15 kg

, for 1750 ou get Claris !! and mech disc and is probably a kilo more

your paying a lot for that motor

BMWhere?

Another one of those anti EU falsehoods based on a half truth.

The EU does not ban more powerful e-bikes, but requires an extra registration and a rider permit. Most European countries already had an applicable permit system for the old pedal motorbikes which you can ride from 14yo and there is a very small license fee, they usually have a mini number plate in a different format from mopeds, motorbikes and cars. The UK of course doesn't have such a permit, so the only existing option is for mopeds which require a provisional license and 16yo and also a much higher license fee.

Rather than create a new permit to allow powerful e-bikes in the UK, its easier to do nothing and blame the EU for banning them!

dpb

Been trawling through the pedelecs forum on all this , just came anyway with a headache


it seems to be something to do also with lowering city speed limits generally to 20 mph

stockcar

how would a more powerful e-bike be any different to a kid on a moped............

andy97

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It wouldn't, much like those who remove the governor from mopeds which are limited to 30mph but then can do over 50mph

BMWhere?

Which is exactly why they need to be registered. Only the UK would rather blame Europe than actually pass the legislation to permit them as equivalent to a moped or create a new licensing category.

The point is, its not Europes fault that you can't get a powerful e-bike in the UK!

urban

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Save up for a car

dpb

leccy car ?

urban

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No, **** that,
Big V8, twin turbo type car

stockcar

therefore they need to abide by the rules of the road and pay tax, insurance, etc. same as an electric moped..........simples

dpb