Trump visit to UK
12 July 2018, 05:36 PM
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Trump visit to UK
So, what're people's thoughts about this? I don't hear much about it over here to be honest.
I did hear that North Americans were being told by the US Embassy in London to keep their heads down and avoid possible violence from the locals - this seems odd. I didn't think that there were many people in Europe who really hated North Americans themselves, just the general lack of love of Trump.
I don't think it's great that he is being welcomed over there by the UK Gov - it seems like a pathetic diplomacy thing. He's got so many law suits against him right now, the majority of which are for sexual assault against women (as far as I know), and he is meeting our Queen??
Then there's the general hatred that this guy is actively generating here in US and the destruction of laws and rules that are there to protect people, the environment and financial stability - is he really someone we want to be aligned with in the UK right now?
I did hear that North Americans were being told by the US Embassy in London to keep their heads down and avoid possible violence from the locals - this seems odd. I didn't think that there were many people in Europe who really hated North Americans themselves, just the general lack of love of Trump.
I don't think it's great that he is being welcomed over there by the UK Gov - it seems like a pathetic diplomacy thing. He's got so many law suits against him right now, the majority of which are for sexual assault against women (as far as I know), and he is meeting our Queen??
Then there's the general hatred that this guy is actively generating here in US and the destruction of laws and rules that are there to protect people, the environment and financial stability - is he really someone we want to be aligned with in the UK right now?
12 July 2018, 05:50 PM
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Some of his comments recently regarding the UK, the EU and NATO have been quite inappropriate and the UK should have called him out. Also given his Tariffs on the EU (and therefore the UK) and his trade war policies, an official state visit to the UK at this time is not really appropriate - except we desperately need to suck his ***** like a high class hooker to get a trade deal that benefits them more than us after we leave the EU!
12 July 2018, 06:08 PM
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I don't think there is much risk of him sexually assaulting the Queen
Some of his comments recently regarding the UK, the EU and NATO have been quite inappropriate and the UK should have called him out. Also given his Tariffs on the EU (and therefore the UK) and his trade war policies, an official state visit to the UK at this time is not really appropriate - except we desperately need to suck his ***** like a high class hooker to get a trade deal that benefits them more than us after we leave the EU!
Some of his comments recently regarding the UK, the EU and NATO have been quite inappropriate and the UK should have called him out. Also given his Tariffs on the EU (and therefore the UK) and his trade war policies, an official state visit to the UK at this time is not really appropriate - except we desperately need to suck his ***** like a high class hooker to get a trade deal that benefits them more than us after we leave the EU!
yeah, I wasn't really that worried that he would be looking to fingerbang the queen or anything, hahaha! He shouldn't get the privilege to meet her though (not wishing to get into a monarchist/anti-monarchist debate here)Yeah, agree on this being important for a trade deal to plug the hole that will be left after Brexit. I assume that when he is in the UK he will be all sweetness and delight about his wonderful cousins in the UK, then when he's back in the US he will revert to standard insults.
Maybe you guys will get Whataburger, after a trade deal
12 July 2018, 06:46 PM
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It's not a state visit.
It's a working visit.
Bear in mind we've been host to visits by some pretty corrupt leaders in our time. So why is he any different?
Either way he's right on some core principals...Some NATO members are not pulling their weight and dragging the feet in meeting the 2% of GDP. In effect they should pay more than 2% to cover the shortfall for the years that they have been underpaying.
Brexit is a mess, the UK is in political turmoil. The press seem to think he is insulting us by saying that, what is so insulting about stating the obvious?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not keen on the guy, but he has to be credited for pushing through his policies, something own own leaders seem totally inept at doing.
As for the protesters, seems London is host to a political protest of some sort almost daily. What he'll do these people do for living to afford to 'protest' in London. ID them all, see who's on benefits and cut them; There are far more productive things they could be doing rather than pratting about with inflatable effigies about someone they couldn't even vote for and isn't even going to be anywhere near it.
It's a working visit.
Bear in mind we've been host to visits by some pretty corrupt leaders in our time. So why is he any different?
Either way he's right on some core principals...Some NATO members are not pulling their weight and dragging the feet in meeting the 2% of GDP. In effect they should pay more than 2% to cover the shortfall for the years that they have been underpaying.
Brexit is a mess, the UK is in political turmoil. The press seem to think he is insulting us by saying that, what is so insulting about stating the obvious?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not keen on the guy, but he has to be credited for pushing through his policies, something own own leaders seem totally inept at doing.
As for the protesters, seems London is host to a political protest of some sort almost daily. What he'll do these people do for living to afford to 'protest' in London. ID them all, see who's on benefits and cut them; There are far more productive things they could be doing rather than pratting about with inflatable effigies about someone they couldn't even vote for and isn't even going to be anywhere near it.
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12 July 2018, 07:12 PM
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It's not a state visit.
It's a working visit.
Bear in mind we've been host to visits by some pretty corrupt leaders in our time. So why is he any different?
Either way he's right on some core principals...Some NATO members are not pulling their weight and dragging the feet in meeting the 2% of GDP. In effect they should pay more than 2% to cover the shortfall for the years that they have been underpaying.
Brexit is a mess, the UK is in political turmoil. The press seem to think he is insulting us by saying that, what is so insulting about stating the obvious?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not keen on the guy, but he has to be credited for pushing through his policies, something own own leaders seem totally inept at doing.
As for the protesters, seems London is host to a political protest of some sort almost daily. What he'll do these people do for living to afford to 'protest' in London. ID them all, see who's on benefits and cut them; There are far more productive things they could be doing rather than pratting about with inflatable effigies about someone they couldn't even vote for and isn't even going to be anywhere near it.
It's a working visit.
Bear in mind we've been host to visits by some pretty corrupt leaders in our time. So why is he any different?
Either way he's right on some core principals...Some NATO members are not pulling their weight and dragging the feet in meeting the 2% of GDP. In effect they should pay more than 2% to cover the shortfall for the years that they have been underpaying.
Brexit is a mess, the UK is in political turmoil. The press seem to think he is insulting us by saying that, what is so insulting about stating the obvious?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not keen on the guy, but he has to be credited for pushing through his policies, something own own leaders seem totally inept at doing.
As for the protesters, seems London is host to a political protest of some sort almost daily. What he'll do these people do for living to afford to 'protest' in London. ID them all, see who's on benefits and cut them; There are far more productive things they could be doing rather than pratting about with inflatable effigies about someone they couldn't even vote for and isn't even going to be anywhere near it.
Oh my gosh there is no way he can be given credit or praise for pushing anything through, though. That's a whole thread in itself!
I wasn't talking about comments he may have made about UK politics being a mess (ain't seen them) but I agree that his comments would be accurate! People in glasshouses though....
I keep hearing that there are supposed to be enormous protests? I guess we will see if that is just media exaggeration. Like you say, seems like there are massive protests everywhere every-day, at the moment. Is that a symptom of lots of bad stuff going on and people wanting to actually stand up say NO to these things or are people just being soft.
I agree with the principal of protests on this chap though, even if it was just for what seem like human rights violations with the asylum seekers - won't make any difference though, so it could be wasted energy, depending on where you sit on this.
I do wonder how Trump will do when he's meant to adhere to certain protocol for meeting her Maj, though - I'm waiting on some comedy gold, there
12 July 2018, 07:15 PM
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p.s. I agree that it's frustrating to possibly have people who might be working the system and are not doing anything but scrounging benefits and doing anything else except looking for a job or working but stopping people from protesting based on their status is dangerous, as you'd surely agree!
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12 July 2018, 08:44 PM
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Uh-Oh - there's an interesting line of thought - do we ban some peoples freedom to protest and allow others? Seems like a slippery slope to me!
p.s. I agree that it's frustrating to possibly have people who might be working the system and are not doing anything but scrounging benefits and doing anything else except looking for a job or working but stopping people from protesting based on their status is dangerous, as you'd surely agree!
p.s. I agree that it's frustrating to possibly have people who might be working the system and are not doing anything but scrounging benefits and doing anything else except looking for a job or working but stopping people from protesting based on their status is dangerous, as you'd surely agree!
I just made a casual observation that made me wonder how people of working age manage to find the time off work to travel to London to protest in the middle of normal working week. Unless they are retired, students, or booked it as holiday leave, are night shift workers, or only work 4 days a week. I personally don't know many people who have that luxury, except for the ones that don't work (for various reasons).
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12 July 2018, 09:31 PM
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Certainly, everybody should have a right to voice their opinions in a respective and civil manner.
I just made a casual observation that made me wonder how people of working age manage to find the time off work to travel to London to protest in the middle of normal working week. Unless they are retired, students, or booked it as holiday leave, are night shift workers, or only work 4 days a week. I personally don't know many people who have that luxury, except for the ones that don't work (for various reasons).
I just made a casual observation that made me wonder how people of working age manage to find the time off work to travel to London to protest in the middle of normal working week. Unless they are retired, students, or booked it as holiday leave, are night shift workers, or only work 4 days a week. I personally don't know many people who have that luxury, except for the ones that don't work (for various reasons).
Do you think there will be lots of (unpaid) supporters of Trump on the streets for his arrival? Difficult to tell from this forum or FB but does Trump have a large base of supporters?
12 July 2018, 11:07 PM
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Clearly I'm no fan of Trump. But he represents something much bigger than himself, and is the president. So a visit to the UK is wholly appropriate.
12 July 2018, 11:33 PM
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I feel that any presidential visit would normally be standard and appropriate and a requirement of good relations with the global community - totally agree.
Maybe it's because I am living in this nightmare over here - watching a great nation being turned insight out and people being divided by this person, that I feel more strongly about this UK visit - to me it's like rewarding a toddler for being an @ssehle, when really he should be scolded.
The problem is, as BMWhere? notes, the UK really needs trade deals right now....
13 July 2018, 12:01 AM
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Well, he seems to have got us over a barrel here, I guess that is his way of thanking us for hosting him......
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44815558
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44815558
13 July 2018, 01:35 AM
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Well, he seems to have got us over a barrel here, I guess that is his way of thanking us for hosting him......
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44815558
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44815558
13 July 2018, 09:23 AM
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I don't think there is much risk of him sexually assaulting the Queen
Some of his comments recently regarding the UK, the EU and NATO have been quite inappropriate and the UK should have called him out. Also given his Tariffs on the EU (and therefore the UK) and his trade war policies, an official state visit to the UK at this time is not really appropriate - except we desperately need to suck his ***** like a high class hooker to get a trade deal that benefits them more than us after we leave the EU!
Some of his comments recently regarding the UK, the EU and NATO have been quite inappropriate and the UK should have called him out. Also given his Tariffs on the EU (and therefore the UK) and his trade war policies, an official state visit to the UK at this time is not really appropriate - except we desperately need to suck his ***** like a high class hooker to get a trade deal that benefits them more than us after we leave the EU!
Let's not forget the number of immigrants that "Saint Obama" sent back (approx 3 million) is way higher than any previous or current administration, and the state the US jobs market was in prior to Trumps election. Afro Caribbean employment since Trump came to power as gone up.
Love him or hate him at least he sticks to his word.
13 July 2018, 09:29 AM
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I don't so much have a problem with him (or any other questionable state leader) visiting, its the fact that he's so ***** deep in Theresa May and we're so desperate to get a trade deal with them after Brexit that we let him get away with all the insulting us to our faces without even a gargle from leaders.
Donald Tusk gave an excellent speech the other day putting Trump in his place. Macron and Merkel have also been highly critical. But the UK government just re-apply the lube and take everything he gives! Its an embarrassment!
Donald Tusk gave an excellent speech the other day putting Trump in his place. Macron and Merkel have also been highly critical. But the UK government just re-apply the lube and take everything he gives! Its an embarrassment!
13 July 2018, 10:00 AM
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^Yeah, Rutte gave him a bit of Dutch directness the other week also. Was very refreshing to see after always watching May, Farage, Boris continuously asking Trump to *** in their mouths
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13 July 2018, 10:11 AM
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Obama holds the record for jobs creation rate of any US president before him. When he left office 145,000 jobs per month* were being added, an 8.6% increase on when he was first elected.
I don't have figures for Trump yet, but I'm not going to swallow his denigrating rhetoric about the US having a basket case economy under Obama.
African-American employment fall? Well it stands to reason: even in a country as racist as America when you've run out of white people to employ you've got to start employing whoever's left.
*source: Fed Reserve Economic Data (FRED)
13 July 2018, 10:54 AM
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I wish I could completely agree!
I feel that any presidential visit would normally be standard and appropriate and a requirement of good relations with the global community - totally agree.
Maybe it's because I am living in this nightmare over here - watching a great nation being turned insight out and people being divided by this person, that I feel more strongly about this UK visit - to me it's like rewarding a toddler for being an @ssehle, when really he should be scolded.
The problem is, as BMWhere? notes, the UK really needs trade deals right now....
I feel that any presidential visit would normally be standard and appropriate and a requirement of good relations with the global community - totally agree.
Maybe it's because I am living in this nightmare over here - watching a great nation being turned insight out and people being divided by this person, that I feel more strongly about this UK visit - to me it's like rewarding a toddler for being an @ssehle, when really he should be scolded.
The problem is, as BMWhere? notes, the UK really needs trade deals right now....
I think we might have to get used to 6 more years of this
13 July 2018, 01:36 PM
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What!!? Check your figures.
Obama holds the record for jobs creation rate of any US president before him. When he left office 145,000 jobs per month* were being added, an 8.6% increase on when he was first elected.
I don't have figures for Trump yet, but I'm not going to swallow his denigrating rhetoric about the US having a basket case economy under Obama.
African-American employment fall? Well it stands to reason: even in a country as racist as America when you've run out of white people to employ you've got to start employing whoever's left.
*source: Fed Reserve Economic Data (FRED)
Obama holds the record for jobs creation rate of any US president before him. When he left office 145,000 jobs per month* were being added, an 8.6% increase on when he was first elected.
I don't have figures for Trump yet, but I'm not going to swallow his denigrating rhetoric about the US having a basket case economy under Obama.
African-American employment fall? Well it stands to reason: even in a country as racist as America when you've run out of white people to employ you've got to start employing whoever's left.
*source: Fed Reserve Economic Data (FRED)
The US Labour Department.
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13 July 2018, 02:19 PM
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And black unemployment has been lower still v average, previously
Can't really attribute this magic to trump
Can't really attribute this magic to trump
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13 July 2018, 02:27 PM
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I see in his latest press conference he has said "Immigration has been very bad for Europe"
That's an interesting viewpoint for someone who is the son of an immigrant. Still, he has been very bad for the USA, maybe he has a point!
That's an interesting viewpoint for someone who is the son of an immigrant. Still, he has been very bad for the USA, maybe he has a point!
13 July 2018, 03:04 PM
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Not sure what that is supposed to say, it's been declining since before he came into power - or are we saying that Trump did something that reduced black unemployment?
I also see that you reverted to a "but Obama"-ism earlier, ejecting illegal immigrants isn't the problem.
I cannot see how he has stuck to his word and yeah, he does make people think - he makes people think it's ok to act inhumanly to fellow citizens.
Anyway, back to the visit - I saw some random video of a bunch of people calling him a **** - I'm surprised that was not shut down.
The guy thinks Boris Johnson should be prime minister, so I read. Does anyone really want that??
I also see that you reverted to a "but Obama"-ism earlier, ejecting illegal immigrants isn't the problem.
I cannot see how he has stuck to his word and yeah, he does make people think - he makes people think it's ok to act inhumanly to fellow citizens.
Anyway, back to the visit - I saw some random video of a bunch of people calling him a **** - I'm surprised that was not shut down.
The guy thinks Boris Johnson should be prime minister, so I read. Does anyone really want that??
13 July 2018, 03:11 PM
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Nooooooooooooo!! It might happen though.
It's amazing how the psy-ops by Cambridge Analytica and all the others has had such a profound impact - people can't see what is in front of them - they'll vote to have their own healthcare taken away from them and then complain or start a crowdfund when they have to pay expensive healthcare fees.
Read somewhere that in the UK he has an 11% approval rating - I have no idea of the accuracy of that stat, though.
I'm guessing there have not been hoards of people welcoming him with open arms there?
It's amazing how the psy-ops by Cambridge Analytica and all the others has had such a profound impact - people can't see what is in front of them - they'll vote to have their own healthcare taken away from them and then complain or start a crowdfund when they have to pay expensive healthcare fees.
Read somewhere that in the UK he has an 11% approval rating - I have no idea of the accuracy of that stat, though.
I'm guessing there have not been hoards of people welcoming him with open arms there?
13 July 2018, 03:17 PM
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Nooooooooooooo!! It might happen though.
It's amazing how the psy-ops by Cambridge Analytica and all the others has had such a profound impact - people can't see what is in front of them - they'll vote to have their own healthcare taken away from them and then complain or start a crowdfund when they have to pay expensive healthcare fees.
Read somewhere that in the UK he has an 11% approval rating - I have no idea of the accuracy of that stat, though.
I'm guessing there have not been hoards of people welcoming him with open arms there?
It's amazing how the psy-ops by Cambridge Analytica and all the others has had such a profound impact - people can't see what is in front of them - they'll vote to have their own healthcare taken away from them and then complain or start a crowdfund when they have to pay expensive healthcare fees.
Read somewhere that in the UK he has an 11% approval rating - I have no idea of the accuracy of that stat, though.
I'm guessing there have not been hoards of people welcoming him with open arms there?
15 July 2018, 09:24 AM
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Saw some more news on this lovely little visit and the various protests that popped up (some not even about Trump, but some sort of virtue signalling about how the western society accepts everything that the western world encompasses 
) ...obviously I couldn't track it live as I was at work.
However the interviews with some the of the protesters, some families with children (erm...school?
).
I think this sketch summed up the characteristic displayed by many interviewed:
) ...obviously I couldn't track it live as I was at work. However the interviews with some the of the protesters, some families with children (erm...school?
). I think this sketch summed up the characteristic displayed by many interviewed:
15 July 2018, 10:03 AM
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Saw some more news on this lovely little visit and the various protests that popped up (some not even about Trump, but some sort of virtue signalling about how the western society accepts everything that the western world encompasses ) ...obviously I couldn't track it live as I was at work.
However the interviews with some the of the protesters, some families with children (erm...school? ).
I think this sketch summed up the characteristic displayed by many interviewed: https://vimeo.com/276940268
) ...obviously I couldn't track it live as I was at work. However the interviews with some the of the protesters, some families with children (erm...school?
). I think this sketch summed up the characteristic displayed by many interviewed: https://vimeo.com/276940268
That is so spot on, alot on here need to go to this type of therapy
15 July 2018, 11:49 AM
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8447536.html
Its anti British to wear a scarf now apparently
Its anti British to wear a scarf now apparently
