urban

iTrader: (1)

Pretty bad.

He wasn't hold back on firing off rounds if you watch the footage.

No doubt this will be claimed by IS as being one of their nut jobs

dpb

looks like jus another disgruntled trump supporter

dpb

How on earth do get the concierge to haul an arsenal like that up to your room

Matty81

It was a local by what I’ve been reading in the news

dpb

What they need is more good guys , with guns ( lol)
Gun sales share price shooting up !

jason7579

What they need are better gun laws and controls. How can any civilian justify needing an assault rifle?

Not going to happen though because $$$ > People

Torquemada

IS put up some BS statement saying it was them - I highly doubt that.

He had a full auto which was probably obtained illegally, afaik. I've already seen people responding to people criticizing gun laws saying that we need guns to protect people against things like this - great lot of good that did last night....

Terrible thing to have happened, but it feels like this is only the tip of the iceberg and I think it will get worse.

lozgti1

lol.

I try not to swear but utter vile idiot b***tard. Hope he wallows in hell. Fruitcake

Dr Hu

He owned 43 guns!! WTF

Steve001

iTrader: (7)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the right to bear arms (BTW I have no problems with this) was written into their constitution back when a six shooter a Winchester and/or a shotgun was the norm. Military grade weapons have no place in the general population and makes no sense

He may well have obtained a fully automatic weapon illegally but with a little knowledge and a file you can convert a semi auto quite easily.

My thoughts are with the victims and their families RIP

Mr Fuji

Nevada has pretty much the least strict gun laws in the US. Although you cannot buy a fully automatic weapon in any state now, Nevada still allows private sales of guns between citizens with no checks, so it's entirely possibly he has bought second hand fully auto weapons perfectly legally.

Of course, Trump has refused to call for more control, and the NRA should hang its head in shame. Obviously in Nevada, there are plenty of 'good guys with guns' who could have stopped this bad one, but patently that's bollocks.

He had no criminal record, no history of mental health, no affiliation to extremist groups. The only way to have prevented this one is to remove guns.

I eagerly await the NRA's defence of this one

Kwik

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It’s madness a country so forward thinking is obsessed with a constitution written hundreds of years ago. It’d take someone with an almighty set of bollocks to tear it up.

Torquemada

No need to tear it up - maybe get more of those amendments in there, though.

The Trooper 1815

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...-duty-11276556

jazzyjembreaze

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White Caucasian elderly man , if will no doubt get brushed up under the carpet & some independent analysts will release a statement blaming it on gambling & prostitution excesses..
Had this been a rag head spouting a black flag or a disgruntled ( non American ) the troops would be already at this moment dropping bombs ..

Truth is the whole world is full of sick ***** !!!!

JTaylor

Nonsense.

Steve001

iTrader: (7)

On the news, it seems he did modify the semi autos by filing away the bump stops as I suspected

Frickin nut job

hodgy0_2

a comment from twitter

"as soon as I heard the culprit described as a "lone wolf" - i knew the skin colour

JTaylor

I assume you wouldn't describe the perpetrator as a terrorist, Hodgy?

hodgy0_2

in all honesty - no probably not

but I suspect that says as much about modern "terror" taxonomy as it does about my (admitted) prejudices

JTaylor

How would you define terrorist? How would you define loan-wolf?

David Lock

CORRECT. This is what I said in a similar mass shooting thread in June 2016

"Do Americans really believe that the chaps who agreed the Constitutional 2nd Amendment being the Right to Bear Arms on 15th December 1791 would be happy that it was fine 225 years later for Americans to own weapons of utter devastation, Kalashnikovs etc etc?

Of course not.

I have no idea what guns were like in 1791 but I imagine some single/double shot rifles, heavy cannons and John Wayne type 6 shooters. Hardly the weapons to wipe out 50 poor sods who happened to be gay in a few blasts.

Come on Senate - smell the coffee. Stupid, shorted sighted b,astards

David

_Meridian_

iTrader: (1)

I can't help feeling that you missed the entire point of the colour chart?

scoobypaul_temp

iTrader: (2)

I don't think I would (currently) describe him as a terrorist, would you describe him as such? If so, why?

JTaylor

I wouldn't describe him as a terrorist, I would label him a mass-murderer.

scoobypaul_temp

iTrader: (2)

Agreed - horrific event, at what point does America wake up and put decent gun controls in place......

silver-sub

Nevada law and its actual definition of "act of terrorism."

"NRS 202.4415 "Act of terrorism" defined.
"Act of terrorism" means any act that involves the use or attempted use of sabotage, coercion or violence which is intended to:
(a) Cause great bodily harm or death to the general population; or
(b) Cause substantial destruction, contamination or impairment of:
(1) Any building or infrastructure, communications, transportation, utilities or services; or
(2) Any natural resource or the environment."

hodgy0_2

yes, that's prob where I sit (they can be both, i.e. not mutually exclusive)

it would change to "terrorist" if he was found to have a "political" motive

JTaylor

Quite.

Mr Fuji

The weapons of 1776 were as deadly then compared to what had come before as an AR15 is to a musket, so I don't think that argument really stands up.

The real issue, to me at least, is that a civilised country can allow such freedom to carry arms in the general population, whether it be shotguns, pistols, AR15s or M134 miniguns.......

The only upside is if we ever get a zombie apocalypse, I'm off to the States