So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
01 April 2019, 04:18 PM
#4593
Scooby Regular
01 April 2019, 04:47 PM
#4594
are these the migrants running round rochdale were talking about, thieving? or doctors and nurses who pay their way, two very different things
01 April 2019, 10:00 PM
#4596
No matter what our two Daily Fail reading friends think, they are a net contributor, whether they like it or not. As for the 'thousands they have raped', that just bollocks. Yes, there has been rape, I'm not excusing it, I don't excuse crime by any demographic, but they really are just showing their racist colours by spouting crap like that.
01 April 2019, 10:15 PM
#4597
Scooby Regular
Well, of course there is an element of immigrants who will break the law, so what? Do you think it's as much as the indigenous population do? Where do you think most benefit scroungers come from? I'll give you a clue, it begins with U and ends in dom.
No matter what our two Daily Fail reading friends think, they are a net contributor, whether they like it or not. As for the 'thousands they have raped', that just bollocks. Yes, there has been rape, I'm not excusing it, I don't excuse crime by any demographic, but they really are just showing their racist colours by spouting crap like that.
No matter what our two Daily Fail reading friends think, they are a net contributor, whether they like it or not. As for the 'thousands they have raped', that just bollocks. Yes, there has been rape, I'm not excusing it, I don't excuse crime by any demographic, but they really are just showing their racist colours by spouting crap like that.
01 April 2019, 10:27 PM
#4598
Actually, it's libelous, but whatever.
So all the insults and accusations, the same old **** levelled at your father's generation of immigrants, you now throw the same unsubstantiated **** at immigrants. You really couldn't make it up. I don't know if you're telling the truth, but if you are, shame on you for generalising against people, if you're not telling the truth, then what can I say?
So all the insults and accusations, the same old **** levelled at your father's generation of immigrants, you now throw the same unsubstantiated **** at immigrants. You really couldn't make it up. I don't know if you're telling the truth, but if you are, shame on you for generalising against people, if you're not telling the truth, then what can I say?
02 April 2019, 01:03 PM
#4600
So Barnier says "No deal is looking likely. Theresa May's deal, no deal or a long delay"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47783127
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47783127
02 April 2019, 01:06 PM
#4601
well im sure if you had a few thousand of the eu's finest be propped up in your town youd be super happy,
you have to understand what makes people vote the way they do,
if you live in a nice place with nice people your in
live in a **** hole your out
you have to understand what makes people vote the way they do,
if you live in a nice place with nice people your in
live in a **** hole your out
02 April 2019, 01:23 PM
#4603
Yet the areas with the lowest immigration were the areas with the highest percentage of vote leave.
I'm not saying that immigration doesn't cause friction, but like most things, it's a balance. Also, the crap that was spouted earlier about rape, that particular assertion is directed at non EU immigrants, and that has nothing to do with us being in the EU! Expect more of 'those' immigrants if we leave.
I was talking with a colleague at lunch about the new hospital in Whitehaven, which remains unopened as they cannot get the staff for it. I wonder where we could find a huge supply of staff............
I'm not saying that immigration doesn't cause friction, but like most things, it's a balance. Also, the crap that was spouted earlier about rape, that particular assertion is directed at non EU immigrants, and that has nothing to do with us being in the EU! Expect more of 'those' immigrants if we leave.
I was talking with a colleague at lunch about the new hospital in Whitehaven, which remains unopened as they cannot get the staff for it. I wonder where we could find a huge supply of staff............
02 April 2019, 01:27 PM
#4604
Scooby Senior
The only reason parliament hasn't agreed on an alternative is because the conservatives are whipping to vote against all other options.
If the conservatives let their MPs have a free vote, they would have easily found a solution which was acceptable to parliament.
Ken Clark's option was only 3 votes short yesterday, a lot closer to getting through than the May-Bots deal!
Labours common-market 2.0 was also very close and got the support of Lib-Dems too.
The only reason we are in stale mate is because the Conservatives refuse to compromise. Although after yesterdays vote there is one less of them.
Its time the Conservatives accepted they are in a minority government and the only way to get things done is to compromise!
If the conservatives let their MPs have a free vote, they would have easily found a solution which was acceptable to parliament.
Ken Clark's option was only 3 votes short yesterday, a lot closer to getting through than the May-Bots deal!
Labours common-market 2.0 was also very close and got the support of Lib-Dems too.
The only reason we are in stale mate is because the Conservatives refuse to compromise. Although after yesterdays vote there is one less of them.
Its time the Conservatives accepted they are in a minority government and the only way to get things done is to compromise!
02 April 2019, 02:16 PM
#4606
I really don't blame people who voted leave, having spoken in great length to people in former industrial towns which have never recovered from the devastation of dying industries. They've been forgotten and marginalised, declared surplus to requirements, and are an inconvenience to those who run the show. No wonder they can't see any benefit in being in the EU. However, it is UK government policy for the last 40 years that is to blame, not the EU, and what saddens me is that I don't believe anything will get better for these people.
02 April 2019, 02:23 PM
#4607
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He's almost certainly refering to refugees
Weve allready established there's fewer eu in Rochdale than lots of other places.
Government agencies ( private landlords) wont shell out cash to house these poor sods to live in Mafair or Epsom ....
Weve allready established there's fewer eu in Rochdale than lots of other places.
Government agencies ( private landlords) wont shell out cash to house these poor sods to live in Mafair or Epsom ....
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02 April 2019, 02:44 PM
#4608
^ ok thank you for telling me what im thinking, im so much more clearer now you've told me....
can you link me to where you get the figures please it would be an interesting read.
btw rochdale have a labour Councillor who voted for himself twice, and didn't realise it was against the rules ffs we have no hope, theres a massive divide in rochdale.
can you link me to where you get the figures please it would be an interesting read.
btw rochdale have a labour Councillor who voted for himself twice, and didn't realise it was against the rules ffs we have no hope, theres a massive divide in rochdale.
02 April 2019, 02:55 PM
#4610
This is something I don't understand. I live in a part of Bristol with a visibly very diverse population with a high level of immigrants, many from the EU and many from just about everywhere else in the world, yet my ward voted 82% remain. Just to remind you, none of these immigrants were able to vote in the referendum. Maybe the bottom line is the fact that Bristol is more prosperous than Rochdale.
I really don't blame people who voted leave, having spoken in great length to people in former industrial towns which have never recovered from the devastation of dying industries. They've been forgotten and marginalised, declared surplus to requirements, and are an inconvenience to those who run the show. No wonder they can't see any benefit in being in the EU. However, it is UK government policy for the last 40 years that is to blame, not the EU, and what saddens me is that I don't believe anything will get better for these people.
I really don't blame people who voted leave, having spoken in great length to people in former industrial towns which have never recovered from the devastation of dying industries. They've been forgotten and marginalised, declared surplus to requirements, and are an inconvenience to those who run the show. No wonder they can't see any benefit in being in the EU. However, it is UK government policy for the last 40 years that is to blame, not the EU, and what saddens me is that I don't believe anything will get better for these people.
Wales has demanded that the UK govt ensures that the same level of money the EU pumped in is given to them by the UK govt if we leave. The turkeys really have voted for Xmas!
Of course, when it all goes wrong, it will still be the fault of the EU for not giving us our cake and allowing us to eat it.
02 April 2019, 03:16 PM
#4611
the figures that show the population breakdown of rochdale .
id also like to see the funding given back to the uk in comparison to what we give to the eu.
sadly or ironically theres too much politics involved and we will never know truely how the money or our money is spent, i do know most of the big goverment agencys seem to be failing, and theres way too many jobs that dont need to be part of these.
a rochdale counciler is on 1/4 mil a year doing to big time jobs. which he got 'voted' into his name escapes me.
id also like to see the funding given back to the uk in comparison to what we give to the eu.
sadly or ironically theres too much politics involved and we will never know truely how the money or our money is spent, i do know most of the big goverment agencys seem to be failing, and theres way too many jobs that dont need to be part of these.
a rochdale counciler is on 1/4 mil a year doing to big time jobs. which he got 'voted' into his name escapes me.
02 April 2019, 03:34 PM
#4613
Well, we paid £18.9billion, before rebate, in 2018, and we also get funds paid in to public and private sectors from the EU, through various initiatives and direct applications for funding, so what we actually pay is around £9billion.
That sounds like a lot of money, but in a more than £1trillion pound economy, it really isn't very much, and the benefit to the economy of having frictionless trade, whilst difficult to quantify, is most likely well in excess of that nett figure.
Factor in the likely reduction in our economy due to any sort of Brexit, from a smallish amount with a close, soft Brexit, right up to shock of a hard Brexit, and the £9billion (or indeed the £18.9 billion) is immediately wiped out, negating any perceived financial gain from leaving. So, I'm afraid, Rochdale isn't likely to get better anytime soon, so matter what you voted! Maybe Mike Harding could so some gigs to raise money........
That sounds like a lot of money, but in a more than £1trillion pound economy, it really isn't very much, and the benefit to the economy of having frictionless trade, whilst difficult to quantify, is most likely well in excess of that nett figure.
Factor in the likely reduction in our economy due to any sort of Brexit, from a smallish amount with a close, soft Brexit, right up to shock of a hard Brexit, and the £9billion (or indeed the £18.9 billion) is immediately wiped out, negating any perceived financial gain from leaving. So, I'm afraid, Rochdale isn't likely to get better anytime soon, so matter what you voted! Maybe Mike Harding could so some gigs to raise money........
02 April 2019, 03:54 PM
#4616
the figures that show the population breakdown of rochdale .
id also like to see the funding given back to the uk in comparison to what we give to the eu.
sadly or ironically theres too much politics involved and we will never know truely how the money or our money is spent, i do know most of the big goverment agencys seem to be failing, and theres way too many jobs that dont need to be part of these.
a rochdale counciler is on 1/4 mil a year doing to big time jobs. which he got 'voted' into his name escapes me.
id also like to see the funding given back to the uk in comparison to what we give to the eu.
sadly or ironically theres too much politics involved and we will never know truely how the money or our money is spent, i do know most of the big goverment agencys seem to be failing, and theres way too many jobs that dont need to be part of these.
a rochdale counciler is on 1/4 mil a year doing to big time jobs. which he got 'voted' into his name escapes me.
Wales as the lowest EM/Immigration in the UK but some of the highest EU funding in the whole EU. But it does have one of the oldest EM communities in the UK in Cardiff Bay but it is small. Whilst they can use the decline of heavy industry or blame Maggie you need to ask what have the Welsh Assembly done in the intervening 40 years to support them?
Got loads of EU funds
Sadly in Wales if you put a red rose on a donkey it will get the Labour vote.
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02 April 2019, 04:14 PM
#4618
The latest figures I can find are for 2015, and the population increased by 2266, so even if they were all immigrants, the percentage didn't go up by much, so are you saying that Rochdale has, in the last three and a bit years, suddenly become a hot bed of immigrants? Seems a tad unlikely. Isn't it more likely that your perception is that it is?
02 April 2019, 10:10 PM
#4620
This is what 6million clicks gets you https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584
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Remember this if you ever bother to vote in a forthcoming election
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