hodgy0_2

LOL, the entire planet is laughing at you flatearth clowns

I am in Seville this weekend, visiting my wonderful eldest daughter on an EU funded. Erasmus year @ Seville university

She reminded me of the weekend post the vote in 2016, she was in Bali with her Japanese boyfriend,, they were in a taxi and the Balanese driver said to her "what the **** have you done"

There you go, taxi driver in Bali had a better grasp of international trade relationships than the Brexitidot "massive"

cuprajake

iTrader: (11)

What the **** you on about .most of this post is bull ****.

Hence my post.

Im so happy for your jet setting daughter

Mr Fuji

Don't worry Nigel, you're only 999,800 people behind yesterday's march

dpb

So if the petition gets to 20m , will brexiters give way ???

BMWhere?

Petition to leave the EU with no deal, created 17 Oct 2018 now has 500 thousand signatures
Petition to revoke article 50, created 20 Feb 2019 now has 5.5 million signatures.

Leave means leave march attracted around 200 people
Peoples vote march attracted a million people

So yeah, tell me what the will of the people is again?

Mr Fuji

I think there two factors which would lead to a Remain win in a second referendum

Two years worth of the biggest demographic of leave voters dying
Two years worth of people coming of voting age who have grown up with the EU and don't see any negatives to it

I know people who have changed their minds on both sides, so the mess may or may not contribute to a change in voting for those who did last time.

I also thing think that complacency on the part of Remain voters led to the lowish turn out last time. For those who harp on about it being against the will of the people, what are they afraid of?

dpb

Theyd would have to fess up to themselves that theyve been sold a pup

and the english being english - thats a big nono

BMWhere?

I know a few people who would have voted remain, but didn't vote because they didn't think it could happen!

I know a few remain voters who say they would now vote leave in a second referendum on democratic principle, although possible when push comes to shove they may still voter remain.

I know a few leave voters who say they would now vote remain because they didn't realise how difficult it would be in reality and the last two years have convinced them its a bad idea.

I also know a few leave voters who only voted leave as a protest vote thinking it wouldn't happen but at least they made their protest. They now massively regret their decision and would now vote remain.

On the balance, I think remain would probably now win, but the margin would be close and probably wouldn't do much to restore public faith in democracy or reunite the nation. Although I could take a more brexiteer stance and say ****-em, you lost! Rather than a second referendum, I'd probably prefer a compromise and settle on a soft Brexit such as the Norway(+) deal, although ideally I would prefer to remain! If they do have a second referendum, then it has to be against a specific deal and not the unicorn deal of the first referendum.

I really hope that at some point, Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn will both stop playing politics and actually start listening to reason and work together in the interest of the country. But with our archaic and corrupt parliamentary system, I don't hold too much hope for that!

Personally, I'd rather we went about fixing our own democracy rather than worrying about the EU. If you want to talk about the unelected, you need look no further than the House of Lords!

Mr Fuji

I think I'm one of the few people who think the Lords is a great idea, as they aren't concerned with staying in power! Our version of democracy is rubbish, you could hardly call it democracy, at least the Lords holds them to account (to a degree).

That's also why I find it funny when people think the EU is in some way an insidious organisation bent on oppressing us all or making a superstate. It's more like a coalition government, they have to compromise, unlike a majority in the Commons!

dpb

So , it doesnt appear teh folks other side the channel are going extend the curtesy of waiving duty tilll .....Someother time

Dr Hu

I wouldn't like to call the result of any possible second referendum - a big part of the electorate will think that Brexit has been stolen from them and will turn out in massive numbers.
It won't go down well if we were leaving then it was decided we won't - I predict riots on the streets if this happens - I really do.

dpb

Really ?

After a hundred people bothered turn up for farage March !

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

remainers should remember this statement
Its easier to decieve the people than it is to convince them they are being decieved -Mark twain

cuprajake

iTrader: (11)

i agree it would kick off if they changed the vote, but would they allow another referendum for the leavers.

the riots would just be the scum using it as an excuse to loot.

Mr Fuji

Well, seeing as we will have unrest whatever, we may as well have unrest with a sound economy

dpb

this is what he actually said

“The glory which is built upon a lie soon becomes a most unpleasant incumbrance. … How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again!” –


very handily explains the predicament farage has put you in

Mr Fuji

On the Jeremy Vine show just now, they said a general election wouldn't really help, but both main parties could stand on Remain and one of them would get elected. You could put monkeys in suits in most constituencies and the die hards would still vote for them.

^Qwerty^

That pretty much nails it, except replace "Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn" with "The Tory and Labour Party". It's been going on for years/decades. Personally I'm pissed off with the lot of them and the attitude of, if the other party does it or thought of it, then it's ****. I can't actually remember an occasion where an opposition party has said well done, job well done, thank you without putting a BUT on the end and then slagging the other party off. It's tiresome, relentless and boring.

BMWhere?

Can anyone explain how a terrible deal that has been overwhelmingly rejected by parliament on two occasions suddenly becomes a great deal if the PM resigns?

JackClark

Because they can blame her once she's gone.

cuprajake

iTrader: (11)

its like watching my kid in nursery.......

BrownPantsRacing

iTrader: (6)

BoJo only changed his tune and backed it because it means he gets a shot at the PM's job.

Honestly, it's madness. I thought exactly the same.

^Qwerty^

Because just about everyone in a blue/white area is fearful of falling off the gravy train.

Vote Map

BMWhere?

Happy not leaving the EU day everyone

BrownPantsRacing

iTrader: (6)

Thank you. Don't know what I expected, but there were no confetti cannons going off on my journey to work today.

Dr Hu

Mr Fuji

Happy No Leaving EU day indeed!

The Trooper 1815

iTrader: (31)

No uprising.
No closed ports.
No "No fly zones".
No queues at Calais/Dover.
No economic collapse.
No rampant unemeployment.

Booo hisss!

dpb

Oh , we're out today are we ?!

Mr Fuji

That's May 22nd