So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
08 December 2018, 08:35 PM
#3902
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heres a nice list of eu benefits sadly not for us though just the compan ies that bought most of uk manufactoring,Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.
Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea,
1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party.
2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.
3/ You don't think it matters.
ies that bought most of the ukI haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea,
1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party.
2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.
3/ You don't think it matters.
10 December 2018, 01:58 PM
#3905
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Delay to the meaningful vote tomorrow as May knows she's going to lose!
Maybe she'll also put in place an extension to article 50 to allow a peoples vote - lets see what comes up at 3:30.
EU court has given the full response to cancelling article 50 today and confirmed the advice from last week that it can be cancelled unilaterally.
Maybe she'll also put in place an extension to article 50 to allow a peoples vote - lets see what comes up at 3:30.
EU court has given the full response to cancelling article 50 today and confirmed the advice from last week that it can be cancelled unilaterally.
10 December 2018, 09:03 PM
#3913
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It was always bound to be messy. In fact almost impossible without a complete mess. It will be more messy than a big bag of messy things. The mess has just begun. Look out, in-coming mess!
Interest rates, mortgage rates, currency exchange, pension forecasts, economic futures, gdp, oil price, petrol price, gas, electricity, food etc. That's without mentioning trade. Bloody hell. Lot's of mess. 😣
Interest rates, mortgage rates, currency exchange, pension forecasts, economic futures, gdp, oil price, petrol price, gas, electricity, food etc. That's without mentioning trade. Bloody hell. Lot's of mess. 😣
Last edited by coolangatta; 10 December 2018 at 09:26 PM.
11 December 2018, 07:38 AM
#3916
lol
11 December 2018, 09:19 AM
#3917
We want to trade with the EU as we do now, we want no physical border between N.Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.
Did the UK really think we'd just go to the EU with all these demands and they'd just say yes, no problem?
Its a shambles, and Juncker has already said 'no room whatsoever for renegotiation'
Happy Christmas!
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11 December 2018, 09:45 AM
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Labour MP Rupa Huq accused the Prime Minister of "premature parliamentary ejaculation".
oooooh what a nasty thought
https://news.sky.com/story/even-ther...r-now-11577532
oooooh what a nasty thought
https://news.sky.com/story/even-ther...r-now-11577532
11 December 2018, 10:51 AM
#3921
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11 December 2018, 11:25 AM
#3923
Because leave means different things to different people, and the question was too simple. It was impossible to please everyone (even just those who voted leave), so she has tried to please all and has ended up pleasing no one!
11 December 2018, 11:37 AM
#3924
Could the complete shambles be a deliberate ploy? Now that it's confirmed that the UK can unilaterally withdraw Article 50 with absolutely no impact to the current arrangement, TM postponed the vote so that it would be harder for others to come up with an alternative plan (not that anyone has proposed one!). Then given the time contraint and the ensuing shambles and in recognition that people voted to be better off economically, which simpily will not happen and actually be worse off (no one voted to be worse off!), it would strengthen the reason for a vote to be put to the people (again) with the option to accept the deal on offer, no deal and exit or withdraw Article 50 and carry on.
Last edited by jonc; 11 December 2018 at 11:38 AM.
11 December 2018, 02:29 PM
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11 December 2018, 02:59 PM
#3928
I bet hardly anyone in the lower half of the UK mainland considered the land border separating Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland when voting, which will, quite frankly, be down to ignorance.
It never ceases to amaze me that many people (mostly from London in my experience) think that the currency of Northern Ireland is Euros.
It never ceases to amaze me that many people (mostly from London in my experience) think that the currency of Northern Ireland is Euros.
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11 December 2018, 03:13 PM
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I bet hardly anyone in the UK mainland considered the land border separating Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland when voting, which will, quite frankly, be down to ignorance.
It never ceases to amaze me that many people (mostly from London in my experience) think that the currency of Northern Ireland is Euros.
It never ceases to amaze me that many people (mostly from London in my experience) think that the currency of Northern Ireland is Euros.
11 December 2018, 03:28 PM
#3930
WTO or Canada Plus... easy...
We just got a remainer in charge of negotiating - Juncker himself would have got us a better deal!
You wouldn't send Theresa to negotiate buying a car would you? She'd end up paying twice the price and getting the next model down in the worst paint option!
We just got a remainer in charge of negotiating - Juncker himself would have got us a better deal!
You wouldn't send Theresa to negotiate buying a car would you? She'd end up paying twice the price and getting the next model down in the worst paint option!