So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
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How amusing that Germanys BMW will likely have more clout on BREXIT deals than the UK government does
https://news.sky.com/story/bmw-to-sh...urces-11501360
https://news.sky.com/story/bmw-to-sh...urces-11501360
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How amusing that Germanys BMW will likely have more clout on BREXIT deals than the UK government does
https://news.sky.com/story/bmw-to-sh...urces-11501360
https://news.sky.com/story/bmw-to-sh...urces-11501360
Is that clout or Union power?
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It seems that everyone and their dog is warning of dire consequences now,but still the Brexiteers keep their heads in the sand, complaining about project fear, or that we should all just pull together.
It is starting to take on Flat Earth stupidity now.
I do wonder whether May has actually been holding out for this and will swoop in with another referendum, or simply withdraw from Article 50 at the last minute, claiming to be the saviour of the UK in the face of such disruption. Surely, as a person who voted remain, she can't really buy into this bullsh1t?
Polls show a strong swing to remain, now, which either indicates that some leave voters are more concerned about the damage it will obviously do vs the freedoms they sought, or that they now actually realise what a benefit being in the EU is.
Interesting times
It is starting to take on Flat Earth stupidity now.
I do wonder whether May has actually been holding out for this and will swoop in with another referendum, or simply withdraw from Article 50 at the last minute, claiming to be the saviour of the UK in the face of such disruption. Surely, as a person who voted remain, she can't really buy into this bullsh1t?
Polls show a strong swing to remain, now, which either indicates that some leave voters are more concerned about the damage it will obviously do vs the freedoms they sought, or that they now actually realise what a benefit being in the EU is.
Interesting times
Or it could be like the Millenium Bug.
#3365
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I think Aldi/Lidl source a considerable amount of stock in the UK. Just read the labels for that info. But all the main retailers import stuff.
The Septics have a good view of EU economics. A good read.
https://fee.org/articles/most-of-eur...united-states/
The Septics have a good view of EU economics. A good read.
https://fee.org/articles/most-of-eur...united-states/
As for that US article, it's clear they consider wealth only by the capitalistic values of GDP and Consumerism. They don't consider the wealth divide between the richest and poorest which is far bigger in the US than any European country and neither do they consider the perceptive wealth provided by the welfare states in Europe. Most Europeans are more willing to be financially poorer if they have a great health and welfare service. If you look at the public happiness indexes, they correlate directly to the countries that provide the best public services. In Spain for example, the people may not be financially rich, but the have a great health and benefits system and the are very happy! The UK is the closest in Europe to the US system and its no wonder that the people in the UK are so unhappy, even if those on the right side of the class divide are financially well off!
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Lidl/Aldi source their stock wherever they can get it cheapest and it varies from week to week, which is why their product lines continuously vary or they re-label as Aldi products but have inconsistent quality as suppliers vary. Interestingly, among all the UK supermarkets, the Aldi/Lidl business model will probably be least affected by Brexit as people don't expect consistent supply or quality and customers are willing to accept that in exchange for lower prices. Tesco, Asda etc. provide consistent quality and product lines and are therefore more expensive, but also have a higher risk associated to disruption in the supply chain.
As for that US article, it's clear they consider wealth only by the capitalistic values of GDP and Consumerism. They don't consider the wealth divide between the richest and poorest which is far bigger in the US than any European country and neither do they consider the perceptive wealth provided by the welfare states in Europe. Most Europeans are more willing to be financially poorer if they have a great health and welfare service. If you look at the public happiness indexes, they correlate directly to the countries that provide the best public services. In Spain for example, the people may not be financially rich, but the have a great health and benefits system and the are very happy! The UK is the closest in Europe to the US system and its no wonder that the people in the UK are so unhappy, even if those on the right side of the class divide are financially well off!
As for that US article, it's clear they consider wealth only by the capitalistic values of GDP and Consumerism. They don't consider the wealth divide between the richest and poorest which is far bigger in the US than any European country and neither do they consider the perceptive wealth provided by the welfare states in Europe. Most Europeans are more willing to be financially poorer if they have a great health and welfare service. If you look at the public happiness indexes, they correlate directly to the countries that provide the best public services. In Spain for example, the people may not be financially rich, but the have a great health and benefits system and the are very happy! The UK is the closest in Europe to the US system and its no wonder that the people in the UK are so unhappy, even if those on the right side of the class divide are financially well off!
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It's funny you should compare to the Millennium Bug, actually. I imagine that plenty of Brexiteers worked on that, and saw the very real dangers, yet those same people now just cry project fear.
As someone who worked on, and experienced some of the issues that arose from not fixing certain systems, I can tell you that the MB was a very real threat. It took us a good few years, and a whole **** load of manpower, to resolve.
Again, like we should have had for Brexit..........
#3368
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Theresa May: It's either Chequers or no deal!
The EU: No deal is better than a bad deal!
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45586010
Looks like there will be no cake for the UK then!
The EU: No deal is better than a bad deal!
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45586010
Looks like there will be no cake for the UK then!
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Theresa May: It's either Chequers or no deal!
The EU: No deal is better than a bad deal!
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45586010
Looks like there will be no cake for the UK then!
The EU: No deal is better than a bad deal!
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45586010
Looks like there will be no cake for the UK then!
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Fvck peoples jobs, fvck peoples family food budgets, fvck peoples mortgages/rent, fvck peoples hopes/holiday plans, fvck peoples future retirement plans
and flat earthers still buy it
and lets not pretend "no deal" will be armagammon
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But given that you so wistfully talk about 'a period of adjustment', how long is this 'period' going to last, and how much 'adjustment' will be involved?
I'm guessing that you haven't got the foggiest
btw, I haven't got the foggiest either, Chequers is predictably dead, BMW and Audi (this penny might just of finally dropped) dont make EU trade policy. There is no clear and obvious path forwards.
We are heading for some sort of short term fudge with an indeterminant extended negotiation period around the future relationship. All in all, the worst of all worlds.
The really galling part of this sorry 2 years is that the key issue in all this, namely the Irish question was basically ignored during the referendum. We had the propaganda about the NHS, fear mongering about Turkey, the drivel about being 'global Britain', but on THE key issue of our United Kingdom we had absolutely no debate. So now we're left having to scrabble around looking for a solution to an intractable issue.
How deeply did you consider this issue before you voted? I suspect about as much as most people. This is why referendums on issues like this are utterly insane.
You're a pretty good example of exactly the type of person that makes it so hard to embrace Brexit as you're not just content that we're leaving, you rejoice in us potentially leaving in the worst possible way. You seem to forget that the country is split down the middle on this, and seem to want this to cause as much harm as possible to stick it to the other half of your country. Basically you don't really give a flying **** about this nation or it's future, this is just some sort of weird porno for you to get off on.
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I'm just the opposite to all the remainers wanting to ignore the vote and stay in the EU. Biggest vote in British history, decision made, get on with it. All of this 2 years of crap wouldnt of happened if we had just got on with it. Its going to be rough road for a while now due to all the dithering.
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oh dear, no sunlite uplands then, as JRM said we may have to wait 50 years, and people wonder why you clueless clowns are laughed at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek9_GQa1lgc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek9_GQa1lgc
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I'm just the opposite to all the remainers wanting to ignore the vote and stay in the EU. Biggest vote in British history, decision made, get on with it. All of this 2 years of crap wouldnt of happened if we had just got on with it. Its going to be rough road for a while now due to all the dithering.
Leavers have offered nothing on how to make it work, except rhetoric and false predictions, and then have the gall to blame remainers. It really does beggar belief.
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Right, because whenever anyone says they believe there's no LOGICALor financial justification for something, what they inevitably mean is that they're massively in favour of that thing
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There are plenty of logical reasons, over population, overstretched public services, housing, reduced wages.
The EU by slow creep has carefully plotted to become a one state swallowing up national identity, full control of finance and laws(see Junckers last European council speech). If the UK voting public had the chance to vote on the direction years ago, we would of left then. I for one are not a EU citizen, I'm British and will stay that way.
If you support the EU's engulfing policy then feel free to move, renounce your British citizenship, I wish you well.
The EU by slow creep has carefully plotted to become a one state swallowing up national identity, full control of finance and laws(see Junckers last European council speech). If the UK voting public had the chance to vote on the direction years ago, we would of left then. I for one are not a EU citizen, I'm British and will stay that way.
If you support the EU's engulfing policy then feel free to move, renounce your British citizenship, I wish you well.
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My wife spent years training for her position and particular job in quality as the person on the drug license legally responsible for quality and the release of each batch manufactured. This is a job requirement written into EU law and it’s felt that at some point UK law will change so this position is no longer needed. Her whole life’s training and work means nothing now. So prospects are bleak currently to say the least.
Also, worth pointing out that the global organisation she works for had their name used during the Brexit campaign as a supporter of Brexit without their agreement. Their CEO was clear they were in favour of remaining in the EU as it was beneficial for their business and future, yet their name was linked without their agreement and used directly in campaigns. They had to threaten legal action for a retraction, along with many other large global companies that had their name linked with Brexit even though they were firmly in the remain camp.
The fact remains, we were lied to by the Brexit campaign who did a fantastic job painting an unrealistic picture of leaving. As already said, the effects of this may well take 20 years to fully show and in this day and age I just can’t see this being good for a realistically small country like us.
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It's happening already. My wife is being made redundant in March next year as a direct result of Brexit, so it is massively effecting us and our family. She works for an American owned (Massive) Healthcare company who manufacture pharmaceuticals in the UK, within the EU and sell to the UK, EU and rest of the world. To manufacture those drugs under license and approval from all the required bodies within the EU is one thing, to then suddenly be manufacturing outside the EU means a total re-certification of every drug line they produce and taking those off the market for a long period of time until that is done. In short, even though this is one of the largest companies in the world, with all the associated costs and downtime it wasn't financially viable to do and they have made the global decision to close most of their UK sites and withdraw from the UK.
My wife spent years training for her position and particular job in quality as the person on the drug license legally responsible for quality and the release of each batch manufactured. This is a job requirement written into EU law and it’s felt that at some point UK law will change so this position is no longer needed. Her whole life’s training and work means nothing now. So prospects are bleak currently to say the least.
Also, worth pointing out that the global organisation she works for had their name used during the Brexit campaign as a supporter of Brexit without their agreement. Their CEO was clear they were in favour of remaining in the EU as it was beneficial for their business and future, yet their name was linked without their agreement and used directly in campaigns. They had to threaten legal action for a retraction, along with many other large global companies that had their name linked with Brexit even though they were firmly in the remain camp.
The fact remains, we were lied to by the Brexit campaign who did a fantastic job painting an unrealistic picture of leaving. As already said, the effects of this may well take 20 years to fully show and in this day and age I just can’t see this being good for a realistically small country like us.
My wife spent years training for her position and particular job in quality as the person on the drug license legally responsible for quality and the release of each batch manufactured. This is a job requirement written into EU law and it’s felt that at some point UK law will change so this position is no longer needed. Her whole life’s training and work means nothing now. So prospects are bleak currently to say the least.
Also, worth pointing out that the global organisation she works for had their name used during the Brexit campaign as a supporter of Brexit without their agreement. Their CEO was clear they were in favour of remaining in the EU as it was beneficial for their business and future, yet their name was linked without their agreement and used directly in campaigns. They had to threaten legal action for a retraction, along with many other large global companies that had their name linked with Brexit even though they were firmly in the remain camp.
The fact remains, we were lied to by the Brexit campaign who did a fantastic job painting an unrealistic picture of leaving. As already said, the effects of this may well take 20 years to fully show and in this day and age I just can’t see this being good for a realistically small country like us.
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It's happening already. My wife is being made redundant in March next year as a direct result of Brexit, so it is massively effecting us and our family. She works for an American owned (Massive) Healthcare company who manufacture pharmaceuticals in the UK, within the EU and sell to the UK, EU and rest of the world. To manufacture those drugs under license and approval from all the required bodies within the EU is one thing, to then suddenly be manufacturing outside the EU means a total re-certification of every drug line they produce and taking those off the market for a long period of time until that is done. In short, even though this is one of the largest companies in the world, with all the associated costs and downtime it wasn't financially viable to do and they have made the global decision to close most of their UK sites and withdraw from the UK.
My wife spent years training for her position and particular job in quality as the person on the drug license legally responsible for quality and the release of each batch manufactured. This is a job requirement written into EU law and it’s felt that at some point UK law will change so this position is no longer needed. Her whole life’s training and work means nothing now. So prospects are bleak currently to say the least.
Also, worth pointing out that the global organisation she works for had their name used during the Brexit campaign as a supporter of Brexit without their agreement. Their CEO was clear they were in favour of remaining in the EU as it was beneficial for their business and future, yet their name was linked without their agreement and used directly in campaigns. They had to threaten legal action for a retraction, along with many other large global companies that had their name linked with Brexit even though they were firmly in the remain camp.
The fact remains, we were lied to by the Brexit campaign who did a fantastic job painting an unrealistic picture of leaving. As already said, the effects of this may well take 20 years to fully show and in this day and age I just can’t see this being good for a realistically small country like us.
My wife spent years training for her position and particular job in quality as the person on the drug license legally responsible for quality and the release of each batch manufactured. This is a job requirement written into EU law and it’s felt that at some point UK law will change so this position is no longer needed. Her whole life’s training and work means nothing now. So prospects are bleak currently to say the least.
Also, worth pointing out that the global organisation she works for had their name used during the Brexit campaign as a supporter of Brexit without their agreement. Their CEO was clear they were in favour of remaining in the EU as it was beneficial for their business and future, yet their name was linked without their agreement and used directly in campaigns. They had to threaten legal action for a retraction, along with many other large global companies that had their name linked with Brexit even though they were firmly in the remain camp.
The fact remains, we were lied to by the Brexit campaign who did a fantastic job painting an unrealistic picture of leaving. As already said, the effects of this may well take 20 years to fully show and in this day and age I just can’t see this being good for a realistically small country like us.