Wurzel

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How amusing that Germanys BMW will likely have more clout on BREXIT deals than the UK government does

https://news.sky.com/story/bmw-to-sh...urces-11501360

The Trooper 1815

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The Trooper 1815

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Martin2005

We prepared for the millennium bug

BMWhere?

Lidl/Aldi source their stock wherever they can get it cheapest and it varies from week to week, which is why their product lines continuously vary or they re-label as Aldi products but have inconsistent quality as suppliers vary. Interestingly, among all the UK supermarkets, the Aldi/Lidl business model will probably be least affected by Brexit as people don't expect consistent supply or quality and customers are willing to accept that in exchange for lower prices. Tesco, Asda etc. provide consistent quality and product lines and are therefore more expensive, but also have a higher risk associated to disruption in the supply chain.

As for that US article, it's clear they consider wealth only by the capitalistic values of GDP and Consumerism. They don't consider the wealth divide between the richest and poorest which is far bigger in the US than any European country and neither do they consider the perceptive wealth provided by the welfare states in Europe. Most Europeans are more willing to be financially poorer if they have a great health and welfare service. If you look at the public happiness indexes, they correlate directly to the countries that provide the best public services. In Spain for example, the people may not be financially rich, but the have a great health and benefits system and the are very happy! The UK is the closest in Europe to the US system and its no wonder that the people in the UK are so unhappy, even if those on the right side of the class divide are financially well off!

Martin2005

It's misleading to compare GDP per Capita between Europe and the US. Wealth is far more evenly distributed in Europe than the US. 1% of the wealth in the US is in the hands of the bottom. 50% of the population.

Mr Fuji

It's funny you should compare to the Millennium Bug, actually. I imagine that plenty of Brexiteers worked on that, and saw the very real dangers, yet those same people now just cry project fear.

As someone who worked on, and experienced some of the issues that arose from not fixing certain systems, I can tell you that the MB was a very real threat. It took us a good few years, and a whole **** load of manpower, to resolve.

Again, like we should have had for Brexit..........

BMWhere?

Theresa May: It's either Chequers or no deal!
The EU: No deal is better than a bad deal!

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45586010

Looks like there will be no cake for the UK then!

andy97

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markjmd

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Two words. The first is 'selfish', the second rhymes with Royal Berkshire hunt.

andy97

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hodgy0_2

the weird thing is, when Johnson said "fvck business", what he was also saying was

Fvck peoples jobs, fvck peoples family food budgets, fvck peoples mortgages/rent, fvck peoples hopes/holiday plans, fvck peoples future retirement plans

and flat earthers still buy it

and lets not pretend "no deal" will be armagammon

andy97

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' lets not pretend "no deal" will be armageddon'

No it will be different, a period of adjustment

If you don't like it, get on plane,ferry,train and seek a new life in Europe

hodgy0_2

oh dear, no sunlite uplands then, as JRM said we may have to wait 50 years, and people wonder why you clueless clowns are laughed at

dpb

In the long run we are all Dead

Martin2005

What an idiotic comment.

But given that you so wistfully talk about 'a period of adjustment', how long is this 'period' going to last, and how much 'adjustment' will be involved?

I'm guessing that you haven't got the foggiest

btw, I haven't got the foggiest either, Chequers is predictably dead, BMW and Audi (this penny might just of finally dropped) dont make EU trade policy. There is no clear and obvious path forwards.

We are heading for some sort of short term fudge with an indeterminant extended negotiation period around the future relationship. All in all, the worst of all worlds.

The really galling part of this sorry 2 years is that the key issue in all this, namely the Irish question was basically ignored during the referendum. We had the propaganda about the NHS, fear mongering about Turkey, the drivel about being 'global Britain', but on THE key issue of our United Kingdom we had absolutely no debate. So now we're left having to scrabble around looking for a solution to an intractable issue.

How deeply did you consider this issue before you voted? I suspect about as much as most people. This is why referendums on issues like this are utterly insane.

You're a pretty good example of exactly the type of person that makes it so hard to embrace Brexit as you're not just content that we're leaving, you rejoice in us potentially leaving in the worst possible way. You seem to forget that the country is split down the middle on this, and seem to want this to cause as much harm as possible to stick it to the other half of your country. Basically you don't really give a flying **** about this nation or it's future, this is just some sort of weird porno for you to get off on.

andy97

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I'm just the opposite to all the remainers wanting to ignore the vote and stay in the EU. Biggest vote in British history, decision made, get on with it. All of this 2 years of crap wouldnt of happened if we had just got on with it. Its going to be rough road for a while now due to all the dithering.

andy97

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He's very funny. He must be leave supporter

markjmd

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Right, because whenever anyone says they believe there's no logical or financial justification for something, what they inevitably mean is that they're massively in favour of that thing

andy97

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​​​​​In his opinion. He doesn't speak for the 17.4 million. It was never about finance for me.

Mr Fuji

I think it's true that most remainers would prefer to stay in, and they are also realistic to realise that the vote didn't go the way we wished, but it's important to get the best deal. This crap has happened because it is not as simplistic as leavers think, and despite the vote for leave winning, nearly 50% of people, and let's be honest, a huge majority of large business, which is what will keep the country going, wished to have a very close relationship with the EU. The government cannot please everyone, and pleasing the leavers with no deal with have very negative outcomes for the economy in the short term, probably medium term too.

Leavers have offered nothing on how to make it work, except rhetoric and false predictions, and then have the gall to blame remainers. It really does beggar belief.

Mr Fuji

17.4 million, it now seems the country is a victim of tyranny of the minority! Can you name another country where tyranny of the minority had disastrous consequences?

BMWhere?

Say that in 5 years time when taxes are higher, interest rates are in double digits, unemployment is at record levels and you just lost your job too!

andy97

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Ooooo, the project fear is strong in this one

Mr Fuji

Conversely, leavers fail to admit this is even a possibility, project blind hope?

markjmd

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Let me repeat that for you again, this time with a little extra emphasis. It's OK, I appreciate that as a Brexit supporter, it's unlikely you were ever going to get it first time.

Is it starting to sink in now?

andy97

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There are plenty of logical reasons, over population, overstretched public services, housing, reduced wages.

The EU by slow creep has carefully plotted to become a one state swallowing up national identity, full control of finance and laws(see Junckers last European council speech). If the UK voting public had the chance to vote on the direction years ago, we would of left then. I for one are not a EU citizen, I'm British and will stay that way.

If you support the EU's engulfing policy then feel free to move, renounce your British citizenship, I wish you well.

BrownPantsRacing

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It's happening already. My wife is being made redundant in March next year as a direct result of Brexit, so it is massively effecting us and our family. She works for an American owned (Massive) Healthcare company who manufacture pharmaceuticals in the UK, within the EU and sell to the UK, EU and rest of the world. To manufacture those drugs under license and approval from all the required bodies within the EU is one thing, to then suddenly be manufacturing outside the EU means a total re-certification of every drug line they produce and taking those off the market for a long period of time until that is done. In short, even though this is one of the largest companies in the world, with all the associated costs and downtime it wasn't financially viable to do and they have made the global decision to close most of their UK sites and withdraw from the UK.

My wife spent years training for her position and particular job in quality as the person on the drug license legally responsible for quality and the release of each batch manufactured. This is a job requirement written into EU law and it’s felt that at some point UK law will change so this position is no longer needed. Her whole life’s training and work means nothing now. So prospects are bleak currently to say the least.

Also, worth pointing out that the global organisation she works for had their name used during the Brexit campaign as a supporter of Brexit without their agreement. Their CEO was clear they were in favour of remaining in the EU as it was beneficial for their business and future, yet their name was linked without their agreement and used directly in campaigns. They had to threaten legal action for a retraction, along with many other large global companies that had their name linked with Brexit even though they were firmly in the remain camp.

The fact remains, we were lied to by the Brexit campaign who did a fantastic job painting an unrealistic picture of leaving. As already said, the effects of this may well take 20 years to fully show and in this day and age I just can’t see this being good for a realistically small country like us.

BMWhere?

I'm very sorry to hear that!

mrtheedge2u2

Yeah, being the EU QP for a pharma company and residing in the UK just cannot happen due to European law. Sucks but this is the fall out from Brexit. Your misses will not be the only QP being moved on.