Mr Fuji

The issue it not moving the food, it's the fact that UK food relies on a system where everything is delivered just in time. The army won't have anything to move. Have a read of this as it explains it a bit better.

If you still think the army can help, then what can I say?

funkyrimpler

I'm not going to contribute to this thread because no doubt it will be full of rage, mischaracterisations, doom, lies, nonsense, panic, ignorance and general infuriating cobblers.

Torquemada

You just contributed

Tidgy

pmsl, no one has corrected project fear again then i see.

The food thing is a none issue, it was a response to a 'civil unrest' question, to which of course there are plans in place to get food in the event of an emergency, this is part of the gov's normal planning and nothing to do with brexit, but that didn't stop the media jumping on it and blaming ti on brexit, plus you doom and gloomers lapped it up lol

It's bit like the plan to deal with a zombie horde that is in place, but i don;t think thats to do with brexit either?

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a myth that if we get a no-deal Brexit, the lorries will be backed up on the M20 as far as Swanley inside a week. The EU just wouldn't have the cojones to actually stick to the rules, if that would be the end result.

Meanwhile, back in the real world ...

Tidgy

indeed back in the real world,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45007787

in case you missed it

markjmd

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Earth calling Tidgy - just because the govt has decided it would be more hassle than it's worth to make advance plans for the army to help out when the goods handling systems at our borders go into meltdown after a no-deal Brexit (or at least, won't admit to making them), that doesn't make it any less likely that those systems will actually go into meltdown!

In case you missed it:
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/people/k....r%20Report.pdf

The Trooper 1815

iTrader: (31)

Apparently, exports to non-EU countries is up.
Also £56.4 billion in exports to Germany last year. It would be very difficult for the Germans just to turn it off.

Mr Fuji

This is an oft repeated and highly misleading thing. The Germans won't be switching it off, it will just cost more! Admittedly to them as well as us, but Germany is committed to the EU dream, they won't let that stand in their way.

andy97

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My involvement in a manufacturing company has decided on a plant in the EU and another one in the USA. The EU plant is service at existing supply whilst reducing costs, but the USA plant is for the massive market potential which they hope to tap into and hugely increase profits and turnover They've had a 25% increase in turnover from outside the EU last year alone

BMWhere?

And what about a plant in the UK?

Now that Trump has ripped up most of the trade deals the US had and is engaging on a trade war with just about everyone else, its looking ever more likely a US base will only be useful for accessing the US market. For anything outside the US domestic market, the EU base could supply equally well at the same tariffs that the US exports would have to pay, particularly with the new Canada and Japan EU trade deals.

andy97

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They will still have a UK site, but see the USA as the biggest growth market whilst just reducing costs and maintaining market share within UK and Europe

Martin2005

And this is relevant because....?

andy97

iTrader: (1)

Because with all the propoganda being spewed about losing trade, there are companies engaging seeing opportunity further a field than just the EU

Those companies who don't adapt, will and need to die.

dpb

andy97

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2.3 in the EU

actually 3% for a mature western economy is strong growth

dpb

So little point there ,and setting up manufacturing outlet half way across the world must setting up again ,smacks of outsourcing

BMWhere?

OK, but they've had to open a new operation within the EU which they wouldn't have had to do if the UK wasn't leaving. They could have always opened a plant in the US without the UK having to leave the EU! Presumably the EU production is now being moved out of the UK and to the new EU plant, which will undoubtedly cost UK jobs. There is also a real risk that at some point they may decide to shut the UK production and supply the small UK market from the EU or US production. Well done Brexit

mrtheedge2u2

So basically the EU and US manufacturing locations are their priority……...and how does this benefit the UK?

trails

iTrader: (41)

Indirectly if it makes the business owners rich and they live in the UK and they spend the additional money in the UK.

Mr Fuji

Sadly we know that the richest people pay the least taxes, and they are more likely to be buying expensive German cars!

trails

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You mean Brexit only works for the rich...well who'd have thunk it

andy97

iTrader: (1)

You presume wrong. It's worthwhile to open a further plant to bypass logistics of Brexit, employing further staff in the EU. The USA plant is again to provide a local presence to service the market again offsetting logistical distribution issues. all companies are under a UK holding company so profits will be returned to the UK . Only if UK market dried up to make it unprofitable to continue, unlikely given current profit levels

BMWhere?

So, you are confirming then, that the EU production was previously in the UK and is now being moved to another EU country because of Brexit?

How is this affecting jobs in the UK? Are people being layed off in the UK as production is reduced, or has somehow UK demand increased to a level that UK production and staff will remain constant?

SouthWalesSam

iTrader: (1)

What! You mean we can increase our exports to non-EU countries without having left the EU?
Well, blow me! I had no idea that that was possible.

stevebt

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dpb

andy97

iTrader: (1)

It's a shock for companies to get out and seek new markets once we leave the EU. Trade with the EU will continue but further opportunities will come from not being in the EU

Mr Fuji

We can trade with the rest of the world now. There is no guarantees the deals we can negotiate will be better than what we have now. Lots of companies have very successful relationships with the EU, lots depend on the free movement of goods and people. That will stop. It's not hard to understand why it's a bad decision.

BMWhere?

There was nothing stopping companies trading or setting up production facilities in the rest of the world prior to Brexit.

But what you have done with your company example, is confirm project fear and what remainers have been saying all along; companies will relocate to other EU states and cost UK jobs to avoid the post Brexit tariffs. If they operate through a UK holding company, that's fine, but only the bosses are getting rich through that while the people who have lost their jobs get **** on! The rich bosses will probably anyway be stashing their cash or even living off shore and the UK tax man us unlikely to see any benefit from the rich elite getting richer, while the increase in unemployment will continue to strain the system.

The Tory vision of Brexit is all about capitalism and the rich getting richer without a care for the majority of the population. I'm not a socialist, but I don't like the extreme form of capitalism you see in the US either. Generally, European countries have struck a relatively nice balance, allowing people to take some risk and get rich but without screwing everyone else.