So Brexit seems to be a good thing then.
17 July 2018, 05:58 PM
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hahahahahahahahahahahahaha that is hilarious.....multi-multi-billion deal wrapped up in months??? Put down the crackpipe mate. Google how long it takes to do a deal involving multi territories. The US estimated a deal with them and the UK (so just two countries) would take up to 10 years to implement. Also, you have not given any input on what the UK has that the EU wants?
It would be madness.
Which EU country is offering to pay the dividends currently paid by the UK?
17 July 2018, 09:28 PM
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A 3rd general election in three years, but didn’t the public speak when they voted the conservatives in so how can we have more elections. It’s as though they aren’t happy with the result 
I don’t think any PM wants to be known in history books for ruining the country and since no one has any idea what brexit is how can they sort a deal on what 51% of the voters wanted.
I don’t think any PM wants to be known in history books for ruining the country and since no one has any idea what brexit is how can they sort a deal on what 51% of the voters wanted.
You mean "Didn't the public speak when they voted for a hung parliament that the conservatives then fudged power with a dodgy deal with the DUP"? If you ask me, the last election didn't give the government a mandate to do what they want on Brexit, then asked parliament to work together on a Brexit that works for everyone, not just the right wing of the tories.
Theresa May put chief Brexiteer David Davis in charge of coming up with a Breit plan that works and after over two years there is still no plan and the government is tearing itself apart. What a collossal f-up the whole Brexit process has been. An election is now almost inevitable and that marxist clown Corbyn is likely to win and make an even bigger mess of Brexit than the conservatives!
And all this because a handfull of Tory backbenchers held Cameron to ransom over their fear of losing votes to a right wing extremist party that has never won a single seat in parliament!
18 July 2018, 10:28 AM
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The UK as money that will be needed to fill the black hole left when the UK leaves. The Japanese already have manufacturing bases in the UK, I doubt the EU will say "Ay yes but all the stuff we signed up for in the trade deal will not be able to come from the UK".
It would be madness.
Which EU country is offering to pay the dividends currently paid by the UK?
It would be madness.
Which EU country is offering to pay the dividends currently paid by the UK?
https://www.ft.com/content/91c4501a-...6-b9ccc4c4dbbb
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18 July 2018, 11:25 AM
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The UK as money that will be needed to fill the black hole left when the UK leaves. The Japanese already have manufacturing bases in the UK, I doubt the EU will say "Ay yes but all the stuff we signed up for in the trade deal will not be able to come from the UK".
It would be madness.
Which EU country is offering to pay the dividends currently paid by the UK?
It would be madness.
Which EU country is offering to pay the dividends currently paid by the UK?
Manufacturing bases in the UK will not bother the EU. They will simply say "open bases here or deal with all the extra burden of being in the UK" and as you know....the industries will move if it comes to it.
18 July 2018, 12:05 PM
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8450731.html
And the OBR have now confirmed there is no Brexit dividend as Brexit is going to cost more than what we would save. Tax rises or spending cuts are the only way to get that extra NHS funding.
And the OBR have now confirmed there is no Brexit dividend as Brexit is going to cost more than what we would save. Tax rises or spending cuts are the only way to get that extra NHS funding.
18 July 2018, 12:19 PM
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8450731.html
And the OBR have now confirmed there is no Brexit dividend as Brexit is going to cost more than what we would save. Tax rises or spending cuts are the only way to get that extra NHS funding.
And the OBR have now confirmed there is no Brexit dividend as Brexit is going to cost more than what we would save. Tax rises or spending cuts are the only way to get that extra NHS funding.
This was blindingly obvious from the very start though
18 July 2018, 12:21 PM
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18 July 2018, 12:22 PM
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18 July 2018, 12:22 PM
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So why can't the UK have a free trade deal with the EU, or what has Japan/EU given up to get one?
And this from the Independant is brilliant, "The EU said the trade liberalisation will lead to the region's export growth in chemicals, clothing, cosmetics and beer to Japan, leading to job security for Europe. Japanese will get cheaper cheese, such as Parmesan, gouda and cheddar, as well as chocolate and biscuits."
It hardly sells the benefits of such a deal, unless you're in to cheese or beer
And this from the Independant is brilliant, "The EU said the trade liberalisation will lead to the region's export growth in chemicals, clothing, cosmetics and beer to Japan, leading to job security for Europe. Japanese will get cheaper cheese, such as Parmesan, gouda and cheddar, as well as chocolate and biscuits."
It hardly sells the benefits of such a deal, unless you're in to cheese or beer
yes what great deal for the EU they get access to Japans market for chemicals, clothing, cosmetics and food - as the quote then says securing jobs in the EU
Chemicals companies' in the UK waning the benefit of the trade deal with Japan will move jobs / investment into the EU (we know this because it is already happening)
and fvck me how many times do you idiots need to be told - we can have a FTA with Europe, that's what the EU have said time and time again
it will be based on the Canada deal - and it will mean barriers to trade and a loss of the benefits around frictionless trade we already enjoy with the EU27
but it seems the UK has still not got the message - the EU will not, for clearly obvious reasons give us the benefits of EU membership when we leave
I don't know what is so hard to grasp
18 July 2018, 12:26 PM
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Think you'll find they already have with the revocation of the VCAs ability to provide EU type approval after 30/03/2019 (for example).
https://www.ft.com/content/91c4501a-...6-b9ccc4c4dbbb
https://www.ft.com/content/91c4501a-...6-b9ccc4c4dbbb
18 July 2018, 01:03 PM
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jeez you really are stupid,
yes what great deal for the EU they get access to Japans market for chemicals, clothing, cosmetics and food - as the quote then says securing jobs in the EU
Chemicals companies' in the UK waning the benefit of the trade deal with Japan will move jobs / investment into the EU (we know this because it is already happening)
and fvck me how many times do you idiots need to be told - we can have a FTA with Europe, that's what the EU have said time and time again
it will be based on the Canada deal - and it will mean barriers to trade and a loss of the benefits around frictionless trade we already enjoy with the EU27
but it seems the UK has still not got the message - the EU will not, for clearly obvious reasons give us the benefits of EU membership when we leave
I don't know what is so hard to grasp
yes what great deal for the EU they get access to Japans market for chemicals, clothing, cosmetics and food - as the quote then says securing jobs in the EU
Chemicals companies' in the UK waning the benefit of the trade deal with Japan will move jobs / investment into the EU (we know this because it is already happening)
and fvck me how many times do you idiots need to be told - we can have a FTA with Europe, that's what the EU have said time and time again
it will be based on the Canada deal - and it will mean barriers to trade and a loss of the benefits around frictionless trade we already enjoy with the EU27
but it seems the UK has still not got the message - the EU will not, for clearly obvious reasons give us the benefits of EU membership when we leave
I don't know what is so hard to grasp
18 July 2018, 02:15 PM
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If the EU had stuck to being good at the very thing that most people want to argue about, i.e trade, then we probably wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. However there are elements of the EU membership who would like to see it become a "United States of Europe" and all that goes with being that - and sadly that is not something I wish to accept. The Brexit mess alone has highlighted how much the EU does control and influence our lives on a daily basis and that would(will) only increase as time does on to the point that leaving would become impossible rather than mess it is now.
There are also realities to staying in the EU that people who wish to remain refuse to acknowledge, one being that we'd have to adopt the Euro at some point. And that would trigger another polar debate.
18 July 2018, 02:21 PM
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No it's sourness, having spent months trying to tie the government into basically staying in the EU(BRINO) .Now it's steering away from this desired outcome.
It was always obvious the relationship was going to change and some of the freedoms and benefits we to be lost. But that doesn't matter, the UK is leaving the EU completely and a new different relationship with it is inevitable. The UK should of gone straight to WTO arrangements and all this crap would of been avoided. companies would of known exactly where they stood, .they could leave or adapt.
It was always obvious the relationship was going to change and some of the freedoms and benefits we to be lost. But that doesn't matter, the UK is leaving the EU completely and a new different relationship with it is inevitable. The UK should of gone straight to WTO arrangements and all this crap would of been avoided. companies would of known exactly where they stood, .they could leave or adapt.
18 July 2018, 03:31 PM
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No it's sourness, having spent months trying to tie the government into basically staying in the EU(BRINO) .Now it's steering away from this desired outcome.
It was always obvious the relationship was going to change and some of the freedoms and benefits we to be lost. But that doesn't matter, the UK is leaving the EU completely and a new different relationship with it is inevitable. The UK should of gone straight to WTO arrangements and all this crap would of been avoided. companies would of known exactly where they stood, .they could leave or adapt.
It was always obvious the relationship was going to change and some of the freedoms and benefits we to be lost. But that doesn't matter, the UK is leaving the EU completely and a new different relationship with it is inevitable. The UK should of gone straight to WTO arrangements and all this crap would of been avoided. companies would of known exactly where they stood, .they could leave or adapt.
So leave the benefits behind in favour of... what exactly?
Yes they would of known where they stood... absolutely fcuked
Do you know what WTO actually means for the economy?
18 July 2018, 03:32 PM
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There does seem to be a wide (miss)conception that you are either pro or anti EU and then you get labelled with assumptions about what you think about various things, i.e. further up this page, you are called a racist for all intent and purposes if you wanted to leave.
If the EU had stuck to being good at the very thing that most people want to argue about, i.e trade, then we probably wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. However there are elements of the EU membership who would like to see it become a "United States of Europe" and all that goes with being that - and sadly that is not something I wish to accept. The Brexit mess alone has highlighted how much the EU does control and influence our lives on a daily basis and that would(will) only increase as time does on to the point that leaving would become impossible rather than mess it is now.
There are also realities to staying in the EU that people who wish to remain refuse to acknowledge, one being that we'd have to adopt the Euro at some point. And that would trigger another polar debate.
If the EU had stuck to being good at the very thing that most people want to argue about, i.e trade, then we probably wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. However there are elements of the EU membership who would like to see it become a "United States of Europe" and all that goes with being that - and sadly that is not something I wish to accept. The Brexit mess alone has highlighted how much the EU does control and influence our lives on a daily basis and that would(will) only increase as time does on to the point that leaving would become impossible rather than mess it is now.
There are also realities to staying in the EU that people who wish to remain refuse to acknowledge, one being that we'd have to adopt the Euro at some point. And that would trigger another polar debate.
There is not a 'cat in hells chance' of the UK signing up to a United States of Europe' or the Euro, it's just nonsense to suggest it.
18 July 2018, 03:41 PM
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Of course, but we are not staying, so they are a moot point. The reality is that we are leaving, so some of the harsh realities of that need to be addressed, yet all we here are soundbites of "WTO" "hard Brexit" without actually trying to come up with a plan to mitigate the disruption they will cause.
18 July 2018, 03:42 PM
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You say that, but to extend many an argument that has been on here and elsewhere, we would just be labelled as wanting to pick and choose what membership of the EU means. And so it goes on......
18 July 2018, 03:54 PM
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The Uk has spend the past 40 years wanting to have all the benefits of a non-member, now we're leaving we want all the benefits of a member.
18 July 2018, 10:00 PM
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yeah, but *****-dying-Doris and Brain-dead-lowIQ-Barry do not get this
18 July 2018, 10:03 PM
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jeez you really are stupid,
yes what great deal for the EU they get access to Japans market for chemicals, clothing, cosmetics and food - as the quote then says securing jobs in the EU
Chemicals companies' in the UK waning the benefit of the trade deal with Japan will move jobs / investment into the EU (we know this because it is already happening)
and fvck me how many times do you idiots need to be told - we can have a FTA with Europe, that's what the EU have said time and time again
it will be based on the Canada deal - and it will mean barriers to trade and a loss of the benefits around frictionless trade we already enjoy with the EU27
but it seems the UK has still not got the message - the EU will not, for clearly obvious reasons give us the benefits of EU membership when we leave
I don't know what is so hard to grasp
yes what great deal for the EU they get access to Japans market for chemicals, clothing, cosmetics and food - as the quote then says securing jobs in the EU
Chemicals companies' in the UK waning the benefit of the trade deal with Japan will move jobs / investment into the EU (we know this because it is already happening)
and fvck me how many times do you idiots need to be told - we can have a FTA with Europe, that's what the EU have said time and time again
it will be based on the Canada deal - and it will mean barriers to trade and a loss of the benefits around frictionless trade we already enjoy with the EU27
but it seems the UK has still not got the message - the EU will not, for clearly obvious reasons give us the benefits of EU membership when we leave
I don't know what is so hard to grasp
18 July 2018, 10:08 PM
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