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Old 04 December 2017, 10:38 PM
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Who'd have guessed?
Old 04 December 2017, 10:45 PM
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Have they cashed the billion and half bribe yet lol
Old 04 December 2017, 10:59 PM
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Going to enjoy watching those hard breixter types ,Rees Mogg etc have their faces wiped in it over the the next few months

We'll be out the Eu , but with nothing that any brexiter voted for and any benefits belonging gone

As well as yet more general elections based on , just about nothing
Old 05 December 2017, 09:14 AM
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...not to mention renewed fighting in NI!
Old 05 December 2017, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
...not to mention renewed fighting in NI!
30 years ago these people were arming the UDA. Now they are running the UK's foreign policy.

How times change.
Old 05 December 2017, 09:28 AM
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There was always going to be a price to pay for getting into bed with this lot but this is ridiculous. Disregarding the risk of ending up with Corbyn it's time for another election.
Old 05 December 2017, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
30 years ago these people were arming the UDA. Now they are running the UK's foreign policy.

How times change.
30 years ago Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness and Danny Morrison were fighting for the IRA. And that was why we had a physical border with the South.

And your point is?
Old 05 December 2017, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by dpb
Have they cashed the billion and half bribe yet lol
No, not all of it

Originally Posted by BMWhere?
...not to mention renewed fighting in NI!
What fighting?
Old 05 December 2017, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
30 years ago Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness and Danny Morrison were fighting for the IRA. And that was why we had a physical border with the South.

And your point is?
err Brexit threatens the peace process

what's yours?
Old 05 December 2017, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Paben
There was always going to be a price to pay for getting into bed with this lot but this is ridiculous. Disregarding the risk of ending up with Corbyn it's time for another election.
Another election will almost certainly mean Corbyn! By the time another election is run, then we'll only have 1 year left before we leave the EU and with a new government its back to square 1 with the negotiations.

What we need is cross party negotiation of Brexit to get the kind of Brexit that suits everyone including the 48%!
Old 05 December 2017, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Paben
There was always going to be a price to pay for getting into bed with this lot but this is ridiculous. Disregarding the risk of ending up with Corbyn it's time for another election.
What do you find ridiculous?
Old 05 December 2017, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
Another election will almost certainly mean Corbyn! By the time another election is run, then we'll only have 1 year left before we leave the EU and with a new government its back to square 1 with the negotiations.

What we need is cross party negotiation of Brexit to get the kind of Brexit that suits everyone including the 48%!


That's pretty unlikely to happen, and the thought of a Corbyn government is alarming. I've tried to remain positive about Brexit but my resolve is slowly crumbling
Old 05 December 2017, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
Another election will almost certainly mean Corbyn! By the time another election is run, then we'll only have 1 year left before we leave the EU and with a new government its back to square 1 with the negotiations.

What we need is cross party negotiation of Brexit to get the kind of Brexit that suits everyone including the 48%!

I was under the impression that if Corbyn got in he would scrap the brexit idea and keep us in Europe.
Old 05 December 2017, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by urban
What do you find ridiculous?

I find it ridiculous that a British government at an international summit should be humiliated by a minority and extremist party.
Old 05 December 2017, 06:11 PM
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And Here we go, Duncan Smith saying just walk away lol
Old 06 December 2017, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Paben
I find it ridiculous that a British government at an international summit should be humiliated by a minority and extremist party.
They deserved all they got, May tried to agree a deal without consulting all parties involved. This deal would have been detrimental to N.I trade.

The tories have made themselves look very bad in all of this.
It looks like May deliberately tried to hide the text of the agreement from the DUP, despite the DUP asking to see it several times

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Old 06 December 2017, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by urban
They deserved all they got, May tried to agree a deal without consulting all parties involved. This deal would have been detrimental to N.I trade.

The tories have made themselves look very bad in all of this.
It looks like May deliberately tried to hid the text of the agreement from the DUP, despite the DUP asking to see it several times

Agreed, and when the Tories made that deal with the DUP it was certain they would come to regret it; it was just a matter of when.
Old 06 December 2017, 12:01 PM
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lol, after the farce of being forced to release "impact assessments", that DD had previously said where in "excruciating detail" - that according to DD Mrs May had read the summaries off

he now admits - "there are none"

what utter clowns

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42249854

The government has not carried out an impact assessment of leaving the EU on the UK economy, Brexit Secretary David Davis has told MPs.

"There's no sort of systematic impact assessment," Mr Davis told the Brexit committee.

He said the government had produced a "sectoral analysis" of different industries but not a "forecast" of what would happen when the UK leaves the EU.



Committee chairman Hilary Benn asked whether impact assessments had been carried into various parts of the economy, listing the automotive, aerospace and financial sectors.

"I think the answer's going to be no to all of them," Mr Davis responded.



utter bull****ters - but lapped up by the Brexidiots

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Old 06 December 2017, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by stevebt
I was under the impression that if Corbyn got in he would scrap the brexit idea and keep us in Europe.
no Corbyn has not said that
Old 06 December 2017, 12:06 PM
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PMQ's is going to be interesting
Old 06 December 2017, 12:12 PM
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David Davis

more lunatic thinking from our lead negotiator

“Just because you use the word impact doesn’t make it an impact assessment,”

we are living in an Alice and Wonderland twilight world of fvckwittery
Old 06 December 2017, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
David Davis

more lunatic thinking from our lead negotiator

“Just because you use the word impact doesn’t make it an impact assessment,”

we are living in an Alice and Wonderland twilight world of fvckwittery

I rather think Davis will be taken away in a straightjacket and quietly hidden somewhere. May could face a mental breakdown and dragged out of the Commons screaming "Thatcher knew nothing". The fact that terrorists had been planning to knife her in Downing Street won't have helped. And while the Gov't No 2 spends his time on his **** machine dear Boris will be quietly taken into custody for what a police source said were suspicious "undercover activities" at his Eton dormitory. Gove will go pleasantly mad.


dl
Old 06 December 2017, 01:51 PM
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You would have thought these idiots would have worked out all these details before they pushed the self-destruct button/triggered article 50
Old 06 December 2017, 04:36 PM
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Here is the Brexit impact studies that the EU has done, you know, the studies David Davies forgot to do (or just couldn't be bothered) and published in full without any edits.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/united...itstudies.html
Old 06 December 2017, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
You would have thought these idiots would have worked out all these details before they pushed the self-destruct button/triggered article 50
It's fecking scary. I watched 15 mins of PMQ's today, that's a farce too.
One side just bickering at the other.

Honourable friend this, gentleman that, right honourable friends and gentleman.
Old 06 December 2017, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
You would have thought these idiots would have worked out all these details before they pushed the self-destruct button/triggered article 50
i am afraid that would require them admitting the simple truth that we will not "have our cake and eat it"


Where we are is a direct result of May's frankly delusional Lancaster House speech

the nonsense of wanting "frictionless trade" whilst simultaneously leaving the SM/CU is just that - nonsense

its just empty rhetoric for a purely domestic audience

and lunacy is compounded by the fact that our politicians don't realise that the EU also know this is delusional claptrap!!!

what the EU must be thinking, one can only guess!!!! I suspect simply "when are the adults turning up"

but the real joke is the government still think it is possible - but every time the Brexit fantasy hit's reality - reality wins, I mean "go whistle"

we will get a worse deal, not because the EU is being "mean" it is simply the result of international trade negotiations, real trade negotiations for grown up's

not from the Ladybird Book of Trade Negotiation that the Brexidiots seem to have read!!!
Old 06 December 2017, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
... so the upshot is that the UK needs to build a whole new regulatory backend (some from scratch, some adapt what we have - i.e. the MHRA) - to support the economy, ...)


Got it in one!


This is precisely why there is no £350M per week saving to spend on anything (let alone the NHS).


It's going to disappear replicating these and all the other regulators, customs, agricultural subsidies management and other bodies the cost of which we previously shared across the EU.


Now we're starting to see the small print we need to have another vote.
Old 06 December 2017, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
err Brexit threatens the peace process

what's yours?
How?
Old 07 December 2017, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
How?
Well I will give you the short answer (but not really controversial as pretty much everyone agrees a hard border (or any visible border tbh) would jeopardise the peace process)

Crime and Terrorism go together – that’s why terrorists, Muslim or otherwise are nearly always criminals – I.e. have a criminal past

Indeed both nationalist and unionist terror organisations fronted criminal organisations (smuggling, extortion, robbery, drugs etc)

So one of the inevitable result of a hard border (with differing duties etc) would be a rise in smuggling / crime across the border

This would inevitable be on sectarian lines and would create tension and violence, just look at the tension and violence created by two rival football teams in Scotland !!!!!!

Not really rocket science tbh

the sublime beauty of the EU (SM/CU) and the GFA was that it gave the nationalists the appearance of no border, yet fulfilled the unionists desire for one


that is what is being being put at risk

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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Well I will give you the short answer (but not really controversial as pretty much everyone agrees a hard border (or any visible border tbh) would jeopardise the peace process)

Crime and Terrorism go together – that’s why terrorists, Muslim or otherwise are nearly always criminals – I.e. have a criminal past

Indeed both nationalist and unionist terror organisations fronted criminal organisations (smuggling, extortion, robbery, drugs etc)

So one of the inevitable result of a hard border (with differing duties etc) would be a rise in smuggling / crime across the border

This would inevitable be on sectarian lines and would create tension and violence, just look at the tension and violence created by two rival football teams in Scotland !!!!!!

Not really rocket science tbh

the sublime beauty of the EU (SM/CU) and the GFA was that it gave the nationalists the appearance of no border, yet fulfilled the unionists desire for one


that is what is being being put at risk
EIRE cannot veto any decision for a border. They do not have the constitutional EU rights.
No one as said there will be a hard border and negotiations continue. The issue was tbat Northern Ireland could retain some form of autonomous rule from the UK but retain and use elements of EU trade and policy. but the DUP want non of it.
The violence is still happening, in fact getting worse so do not be deluded. Gerry Adams, a convicted terrorist, and his chronies had no choice but to end the violence at the time as peace was wanted by the North, South and the international team of negotiators.
And of course the open EU borders are proving to be popular don't you think?

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