JTaylor

What are your thoughts on Devildog's assertion his "collection of cells" only develop a "sense of awareness or existence" "from the minute they are born" rather than in the womb? Is that your experience, Dunk? I was under the impression that unborn babies could react to music and other stimulae at a fairly early age.

DJ Dunk

iTrader: (5)

In my experience (I'm not a medical practitioner, just someone who's experienced premature births) their sense of 'awareness' can be apparent from as little as 20 weeks, some may say sooner.

A sense of existence is a little more hard to define and I don't think bears any relevance to the subject, personally.

From what I've experienced, 24 weeks is a baby. Not every organ is fully prepared for life on the outside, but it's unquestionably an aware, living being.

Beef

Total support of abortion.

The right to self-determination and body autonomy of the mother must take precedence over all other factors.

24 weeks is a reasonable timeframe - 5 months is more than enough time to make up your mind.

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

If you think it's more than enough time, doesn't that mean you think the limit should be shorter?

c_maguire

Allowing for 8 weeks to 'confirm' the pregnancy, what sort of person needs another 16 to settle on a termination?
It wouldn't be unreasonable to halve the current time, however more than 18 seems unjustifiable to me. Can people really be that indecisive, particularly as regards a decision of this type?

neil-h

Maybe most people (fortunately) aren't quite as callous as you are?

Dingdongler

Terminations for real medical reasons can take longer as some tests may come back as being inconclusive etc and need to be repeated or further specialist advice needed.

hodgy0_2

when my wife was pregnant with our 3rd and then 4/5 (twins), she was in her mid/later 30's

so we went privately to the "Fetal Medicine Centre" in London to have an early nuchal scan, (I think 8 odd weeks, may have been twelve)

http://www.fetalmedicine.com/nuchal-scan

you get the results in minutes

no test is 100% but we felt it was worth it

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

What happens to a woman that didn't know she was pregnant until quite far along?

c_maguire

If the limit is reduced then extensions for the reasons you give should be allowed where appropriate to a cut-off point (which could be the current 24 weeks). Although I'd be interested to know whether there is any time-wasting going on that could be removed instead.

8 weeks is 2 missed menstruations. How many do you need, three for luck? As for the daft bints starving themselves who have irregular cycles, perhaps they should routinely take pregnancy tests if active.

c_maguire

I only wish I had your empathy, my life could be so much more involving/complicated/tiresome.

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

There are various contraceptives which (can)stop periods, including the one I am on. I agree, we could all take regular pregnancy tests if active, but in reality, you just don't. Rightly or wrongly, you just assume the contraception will work, especially if it has been, long term so far.

Devildog

Lisa


are you telling me you wouldn't notice the physical changes of being, say, 4 or 5 months pregnant??

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

Not saying it's common, but it has been known for people to go right through a pregnancy without knowing, until labour of course.

4/5 months, I would imagine would be very possible if the likes of morning sickness was absent. Not every woman puts on a lot of weight during pregnancy, so could be forgiven for just thinking they were just putting a little on, without considering being pregnant as the reason. Again, I'm not saying this is something common, I haven't got figures to support one way or another, but I do know people that have only found out they were pregnant quite far along, also one person who fell pregnant with both her children while using the implant as a form of contraceptive. Bodies are funny things.....

vindaloo

It's not even that.... We keep it in box and pass it around on request.

Turbohot

That's good to know. Please keep up with this good work, if you may.

Ooperbum

10 yeats ago a girl in our village gave birth. She didn't know she was pregnant until she went into labour. She was 14 at the time.

brendy76

iTrader: (6)

Taking a wild stab in the dark here (and judging by your username), it wasnt you then?

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

How odd.

wrx300scooby

Yorkshire, clearly

neil-h

What on earth?

Turbohot

I reckon a spam bumped this thread up yesterday, and then others commented on it from #109. Spam post must have been vaped. Or may be, alcazar mistakenly thought that it was the Police thread.

neil-h

Yeah that was my assumption, Alcazar doesn't strike me as the thread bumping type.

Turbohot

Yes. But it's also possible that he did bump this thread up for no apparent reason and called his own act of doing so- "How odd." Something like talking/commenting on self, I mean.

Anything is possible, when it comes to Sir alcy , you know. I wouldn't be surprised.