f1_fan

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Andy,

Try Environmental Health for the dog mess, they may come round and issue a public health order on them, but they only have to clean it up once to comply and then the whole cycle will start again. If you have evidence the dogs are being maltreated call the RSPCA, but be sure you have a solid case i.e. they are genuinely being maltreated.

Being frank I've been round the block a bit in life and have been through something similar to what you are dealing with. The problem is as much as everyone will come on here and tell you the police/council etc. will deal with it as they are being a public nuisance etc. etc. it will take a long long time and as with all these things even if they get dealt with legally depending on how they are dealt with they may comply for a while and then just start again or do something else. The best you can hope for is they get evicted, but we all know how hard evicting someone is in this country thanks to various laws including the EU human rights legislation!

In the meantime you and your family are being affected every day.

In all seriousness I can offer you 3 solutions:

1) Put up with it

2) Move

3) .... well I can't say clearly on here, but there are people who will do certain 'cleaning' jobs for a surprisingly small fee!

I feel sorry for you... in my case I snapped and ended up in a fist fight in front of my house... I lost the fight (typical ) , but won the battle thanks to another neighbour who didn't take kindly to the antics of the idiot... a very long story, but a distinctly unpleasant chapter of my life!

tony de wonderful

Sounds like a nightmare given that you own. I'd be looking to move. If the area attracts these type it will only get worse.

chocolate_o_brian

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I don't think the area attracts those types as such, I think it's a case of houses being cheap to rent as they're old steelworkers houses. And I think they know the landlady/lord through banger racing or something.

I can't move, house is in a state of cosmetic 'repair' ie needs decorating, plastering, electrics so is an on going thing when ££ allow. The value to my mortgage is too close too, and due to my credit rating I dunno if I'd get another mortgage (saving a deposit is another impossibility too).

So I'm stuck here for the foreseeable future, whereas I hope they're temporary tenants.

My thoughts lie with the other neighbour complaining and the fact our previous neighbours were the current landladies parents - I'm looking at going round there house with crocodile tears and everything, really putting it on for them. That or one of the tenants lamps me so I can get the rozzers vinvolved, depression, sickness, sue, time off work etc. What ever I need to do, within the law-ish.

ScoobyWon't

If you do go to ask for the noise to be reduced, make sure you have a friend recording it on a readily transferable format.

And in case you haven't already done it, get over to Speed Plod & The Law on Pistonheads. There are so many almost identical threads to this, that should give you advice (and 'inspiration' ).

RA Dunk

These people sound like proper selfish ***** TBH. I doubt I could take it as well as you do I would end up putting a wheelie bin through their window or something one night.

Feel for you CoB!

tony de wonderful

If my tenants over in the gatehouse get out of order I normally set the hounds on them.

Dingdongler

Sorry to hear about your ongoing issues Andy.

Did you ever get a response from the landlady?

chocolate_o_brian

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Hi Ding, unfortunately I don't think she's a big Facefart and I haven't, no.

But I have means of speaking to her parents who she bought the house off when they retired. They were great neighbours and friends of mine and Nats so I'm sure they wouldn't take well to our issues now and put pressure on their daughter.

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

5-7am every day air horn through the letterbox after a party,
expanding foam the drain it's self,
laxative chocolate for the dog's,
there is nothing worse than a house full of **** and interupted sleep

chocolate_o_brian

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Im in the situation that they know I don't like them but they think acting like this is acceptable. So say I try one of the above and it works a treat. You think they'll think twice about doing some in retaliation to us, especially as if would look like we started it? I have a toddler and wouldn't put it past them...

andylinney

I love the expanding foam idea, done quietly and discreetly it's nothing short of genius.

I remember hearing from a 'friend' in a similar situation and they explained that a pair of side cutters make very short work of the valve stems on any problem vehicles. The joy of this method is that the tyres go undamaged but the vehicle has to be taken on a transporter to the local tyre fitting establishment as there's no way of getting any air into any of the four tyres.

Sadly the neighbour in question suffered this fate three times in one week before they realised that a residential area really wasn't suitable for abandoning their vans.

There is another way, with the friendly neighbours' blessing simply play them at their own game. Can we perhaps arrange an early start to a Scooby Net anti-lag enthusiasts meet? I'm sure ten or twenty snarling Subarus would be a perfect soundtrack / hangover cure after one of their planned parties.

SJ_Skyline

Superglue in the front door lock

Dingdongler

Hi Andy

My feeling is that you really need to pull out the stops in trying to contact the landlady.

As I said at the beginning of the thread a friend was in a similar position. He got the landlords phone number and bombarded him day and night with phone calls and he eventually took action. You need to inconvenience the landlord to force him to take action, and I say that as a landlord.

There is no point in trying to either reason with or confront one to one the tenants as they sound like scum bags.

tony de wonderful

I just wondered if you can get your solicitor to mail the landlord with some 'official' looking letter which will make 'threats' about what you will do? Obviously it isn't real threats but outlines what legal action you could take and what you are recording day to day. It's a sort of bluff but carries weight cos it will come from the solicitor with their name on the top of the letter etc.

tony de wonderful

Don't be silly. The law is the way to go. If you are going to use extra legal means then you need the chops to back it up and that is no joke. The sort of people that o_brian is being menaced by probably have more experience in that game than him, you, or I; don't play their game, they will win.

Snooky

I do feel sorry for you reading this!! I had this in a block of flats ended up fighting on a set of stairs and things didn't go nicely!! I have super glued locks!! Hilarious for you to watch them stressing and being locked out for a day or so but they could do it back to you!!

It takes months and months for the recording equipment to be installed/ used for court! We ended up screwing base bin speaker to the ceiling! A soon as there music stopped mine started! They banged rattled the door but laughed at them through letter box!!
Your best bet is to go solicitors get them to write letter to landlord and address the matter/ show recordings as they are/must be breaking there tenancy agreements!

I was lucky and moved miles away!

Good luck with it all

ScoobyWon't

And call Astraboy

Can any of the landlords on here give any advice or share any experience they've had with problem tenants causing hassle for neighbours?

RA Dunk

Won't there be a Duty of Care someplace that the landlord is responsible like an employer has with his workers/staff?

At the end of the day it's the landlords property and he is responsible for it.

Twin Fields

Some selfish a*sehole whose garden backs onto mine used to regularly have all night parties outside (mainly in the summer) which used to start early evening and go on until early morning.

One Sunday afternoon the music started about 2 o'clock and as the afternoon went on it started to get louder and louder. By six I'd had a gutful, knowing that this was probably going to keep me up most of the night.

So I walked around the road to ask them to keep the music volume down. When I reached their house I knocked the front door, but because they were all out in the garden, nobody came to the door. I let myself in and walked into the hallway. There was no one in the house.

I then opened the cupboard door under the stairs and located the (old style) fuse box and pulled the main fuse.
Funnily enough, everything went quiet after that and I f*cked off back out the front door sharpish.

It took them and hour and a half to suss it out and when the music finally started again it was barely noticeable in my house.

We've never had any problems with this tw*t since then. Mind you that may also be something to do with me finding out his telephone number and calling him up every time I got up for a p*ss in the night to ask him if I had disturbed him at all!

chocolate_o_brian

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For the guys that asked, I told the council I had the landladys name but they weren't to bothered at this point. Mainly as my problem is with the tenants, not the landlady. I will get her number and try to speak in person or call her. But bombarding her with calls will probably see me on the wrong dude of her ******** partner who's a knuckle dragging builder. Yeah, that type. So I've got to be clever with it.

Solicitors letter sounds good but a) it's the cost of getting the letter gone and sent out and b) I very much doubt given that the tenants last home was a poxy caravan in a banger car lockup, they will take any notice of one letter.

Cheers.

richardg

It's called quiet enjoyment. There will be a section with landlords rights and obligations ( which will include the obligation to leave the tenant to quiet enjoyment of the property as well as other obligations, and rights (including rights where there is a breach of the tenants obligations)), and a section for the tenants rights and obligations.

ditchmyster

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**** me you really are in **** street with this lot.

Do you know any local "Gangsta's" that could have a word, and I do mean talk to them, because in my experience these things are better sorted on a local level, there is a possibility they can be reasoned with if it comes from the right kind of people and use the small kid angle to try and get them to be a little more compliant.

Also you could try a bit of a charm offensive and become "friend's" with them to gain a small amount of leverage, start by apologising for "getting the hump" with them in the beginning and take it from there, your going to have to out smart them to get any kind of peace, going in all guns blazing is only going to get one response from people like this.

The police and council are useless and i'm sure these scum know how to stay just on the right side of the law or don't care if they break it.

Really don't envy your situation at all.

Or there is the other solution "Get medieval" on their ***.

edsel

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I've been on the receiving end of noise complaints. We had new neighbours move in who didn't appreciate my musical talents.
After the first complaint we made a serious effort to keep things quiet and ended up tip toeing around the house but the ****ty council letters kept coming (the neighbour worked for the council btw) In the end I invited the council round to "advise" me where we were going wrong.
When they arrived I asked to see the diary dates of the offences and it turned out I as work on those dates and times.
Anyways the council people asked me to play some music while one went next door to listen.
The one next door called the other telling me to turn the music up until it reached a level that was acceptable next door. It was banging loud in my house before they told me to turn it down and I marked the levels on the equipment. I asked them if music this loud was acceptable and they said yes. I have NEVER made this much noise in our house!
After they went we put a CD on at the "acceptable" level, pressed repeat and went shopping.

David_Dickson

Do not ever get involved in a tit-for-tat war with people like this. Scummers in rented property have nothing to loose and no morals. You will loose the battle simply because they dont care about their house and will always be willing to go further than you will.

If you go for the legal route, you need to pursue it incessantly until you get them evicted. Its not a fast process, but you need to keep maximum pressure up on their landlord to get them out. The odd message through facebook counts for nothing - you need to be calling and writing following every infraction. Beware though - they WILL know that it is you responsible for starting the process and they probably wont take kindly to it.

chocolate_o_brian

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David, when they (or possibly already) receive the letter from the council stating a complaint has been made against them, I am under no illusions that they know it will have been me responsible. I almost want them to know so they realise I'm in it for the long haul battle if required.

My best mate is a rozzer and has confirmed what they can/can't do depending on the situation.

So should said party go ahead next week, one way to get them out and at least disturb the revellers next door is that of domestic violence, where I believe there is a danger that they're knocking each other about under the influence of drink. I have to be careful not to waste their time so will see how it goes on the night.

I made an exception on NYE (all three of us were out) and they ended up doing nothing party wise as he was pi$$ed with her and she just dropped her knickers to bring him round. I get the impression from having a nosey on her Facefart that she's got demons (no $hit) and acts how she does 'cos she's just a scumbag.

Getting pally with them, unless they or he makes a move, is NOT going to happen. No chance.

edsel

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In regards to the land lord, surely they have no say in the matter? Correct me if I'm wrong. I've never seen a rental contract.
Surely tenants have the same rights as a home owner? You wouldn't go complaining to the building society if it was owned?

markjmd

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Why would you imagine there's no possibility of a difference? Unless there's a law in this country that specifically forbids landlords from including clauses in tenancy agreements that go beyond the restrictions of laws and bylaws that apply to anyone living in a residential property, it's pretty much a given that a home-renter is likely to have less rights. A few easy examples, no pets, no smoking, etc.

nik52wrx

I'm a landlord and if my tenants turned out to be of the undesirable kind they'd be getter their notice to leave ASAP, probably at tenancy renewal time.

Nik

A

edsel

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Can you refuse to renew a contract without reason? How do you get "undesirables" out before renewal time if they pay the rent and keep the property in OK condition?

hodgy0_2

Depending on the type of lease - yes