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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 01:05 PM
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 01:10 PM
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 01:13 PM
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Martin, do you have ANY idea of the sort of money that has been poured into Africa in the last thirty years? And has it made any difference?

Before branding US as selfish and stupid, answer the question about the selfish, stupid people who continue to breed when they KNOW THERE ARE NO RESOURCES. Is THAT their fault? Developed countries don't see families of eight to fifteen children as the norm, what gives the un-developed countries the right to do so?

As for genuine will, resource and effort, how about $135 BILLION in 2011 alone. What has it achieved?
I don't know the answer to that, do you?
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 01:27 PM
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And that's where it ends in our house.
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 02:01 PM
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Nowadays ,with these western charities, this is the only way if getting foot in the door.

The far east have an open door to help/exploit the poor *******s
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
I don't know the answer to that, do you?

Well, I've quoted you the 2011 figure Google and find the figurtes for the last 40 years..it's way over a $trillion.
Where has it gone? What has it done? Are they still breeding as fast? Are fewer dieing? Do any of their leaders have gold-plated Rollers?

If we continue, they will drag us down to their level. We need to let Mother Nature take her course.....sorry, cruel but true. The developed world DO NOT breed when there are no resources. WHY do these people?
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 02:22 PM
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Well, I've quoted you the 2011 figure Google and find the figurtes for the last 40 years..it's way over a $trillion.
Where has it gone? What has it done? Are they still breeding as fast? Are fewer dieing? Do any of their leaders have gold-plated Rollers?

If we continue, they will drag us down to their level. We need to let Mother Nature take her course.....sorry, cruel but true. The developed world DO NOT breed when there are no resources. WHY do these people?
How exactly are they going to 'drag us down to their level'?
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 02:26 PM
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After walking 150 miles to get the water once or twice you think they would of thought about moving closer to the water
I am sorry and I hate to see suffering the same as the next man but this statement cracked me up haha

I know I am going to burn, but couldn't help myself
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Why is it wrong to help people that are in genuine need? Reading this thread you could get the impression that it’s their own fault!!

Some people need to remember that they are where they areand who they are as an accident of birth.
It is their own fault, they keep knocking out families of five or six which they can't bloody feed, just whose fault is that other than their own? is it ours?
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
How exactly are they going to 'drag us down to their level'?
By taking money that countries can't afford to give, whilst doing NOTHING for themselves? You know, a bit like now, when the UK can't afford care for it's elderly, but still throws money at Africa?
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
By taking money that countries can't afford to give, whilst doing NOTHING for themselves? You know, a bit like now, when the UK can't afford care for it's elderly, but still throws money at Africa?
I was hoping for a serious answer
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by David Lock
Hitler would be proud of you. Do you recommend gassing or just let them starve to death?

What a f,ucking horrible comment.

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Its a harsh reality David. Would I like the world to be happy and rosey and full of love and flowers? Yes, of course I would. Am I naive enough to think that we can pull them up to anything like that level, or even to be able to eat and drink clean water, no Im not.

With regards to your Hitler jibe: it makes you look like a fool.
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 02:55 PM
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There's huge amount of water under the desert, more than possible for them to eat and drink clean water!
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 02:57 PM
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
I would be interested in hearing the suggested remedies of those who strongly disagree with the majority on this thread.

Instead of posting how awful we are, then us posting how awful THEY are, how about Martin, DL and DD come on and tell us how we could actually solve this problem, and whether they see the constant breeding when there are no resopurces AS a problem?
Well I can't speak for the others but here are some starting points. Some are realistic and some require a bit of backbone. Many of them would be managed by UN and African groups.

Corruption. Identify the banks that are transferring money from Africa to overseas destinations and stop this happening. Banks that ignored this rule to be shut down. Assets held overseas in large amounts to be declared by banks and returned to country of origin. Jail for the bankers who ignored this rule.

Electric Power. One thing Africa has in plenty is sunshine so use solar technology, which is much cheaper now, to provide power to villages for light, refrigeration for foodstuffs, medicines, communication, as a power source for waterl pumps and as a means of powering educational videos and the internet.

Foreign Investment. Stop foreign "investors" raping the wealth of African countries. It seems to be China's turn at the moment. UN to come up with a blueprint for investors which ensure that country's get their fair share of profits.

Technology Transfer. Much more emphasis on this. Africans are bright and will soon pick-up ideas given the chance.

Contraception. For starters lean on the catholic church to relax their views. The new pope may support this.


The above would help a bit IMHO.

Now what is your take Alcazar, you are an intelligent chap or do you think that letting them all die off is the only way?


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http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/...213836626.html


This gives a slightly different perspective to it in Zim, than most are used to

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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
I was hoping for a serious answer
And I gave you one...YOU are the one who has yet to furnish any sort of answer...over to you:

"IS it a problem that they continue to breed no matter what, and what can be done?
SHOULD we, and others, give money we can no longer afford for them to breed faster?"

Two questions, two simple answers will see you outed.
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by David Lock
Well I can't speak for the others but here are some starting points. Some are realistic and some require a bit of backbone. Many of them would be managed by UN and African groups.

Corruption. Identify the banks that are transferring money from Africa to overseas destinations and stop this happening. Banks that ignored this rule to be shut down. Assets held overseas in large amounts to be declared by banks and returned to country of origin. Jail for the bankers who ignored this rule.
First you'd have to get at the corruption in the UN, then at the corruption in the countries giving the money...you'd be miurdered before you got even one tenth of the way.

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Electric Power
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. One thing Africa has in plenty is sunshine so use solar technology, which is much cheaper now, to provide power to villages for light, refrigeration for foodstuffs, medicines, communication, as a power source for waterl pumps and as a means of powering educational videos and the internet.
What they need is johnnies, the pill and food, not the internet and electric lights.

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Foreign Investment
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. Stop foreign "investors" raping the wealth of African countries. It seems to be China's turn at the moment. UN to come up with a blueprint for investors which ensure that country's get their fair share of profits.
Can't fault you on that one, but we are back to corruption...their leaders will get the profits...

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. Much more emphasis on this. Africans are bright and will soon pick-up ideas given the chance.
Pity they can't pick up the 2idea" of NOT breeding when they have no resources.

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Contraception
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. For starters lean on the catholic church to relax their views. The new pope may support this.


The above would help a bit IMHO.

Now what is your take Alcazar, you are an intelligent chap or do you think that letting them all die off is the only way?


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Agreed...we can but hope. But as a Catholic myself, lapsed, unfortunately, I am not going to hold my breath.
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 05:14 PM
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Isn't this a bit like telling china its not allowed to aid its development through burning fossil fuels.
Two hundred years ago in this country families were a lot larger and a lot poorer
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
This thread really does show some people up for what they are...
What, realistic?
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
And I gave you one...YOU are the one who has yet to furnish any sort of answer...over to you:

"IS it a problem that they continue to breed no matter what, and what can be done?
SHOULD we, and others, give money we can no longer afford for them to breed faster?"

Two questions, two simple answers will see you outed.
I'm not going to get into that becasue I entirely dissagree with the very premise of what you are saying.

You talk about these poor people like they are beneath you, like some kind of sub-race
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 22BUK
What, realistic?
No - vile, selfish and cruel
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 06:17 PM
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Well this thread does make Scoobynet look like a wonderful place
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
I'm not going to get into that becasue I entirely dissagree with the very premise of what you are saying.

You talk about these poor people like they are beneath you, like some kind of sub-race
do you not agree that they are not helping themselves by having more and more children?

why should we help them when they dont really help themselves?

in a way they are a sub-race (its nothing to do with skin colour before you start crying about that)

until they realise that they can help themselves then yes i would say they are a sub race-as harsh as it sounds.

whats stopping them from getting together and talking about the out of control breeding and trying to come up with a solution?

i cant imagine what its like to live without food/clean water but if i was in that situation the last thing on my mind would be getting my mrs knocked up again.

children shouldnt be bought into a world of poverty regardless of where in the world they are-its simply not fair.
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And yet chavs nationwide still keep popping get them out.
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb
And yet chavs nationwide still keep popping get them out.
exactly-thats our problems in our country,why should we keep pumping money into a country that has people not willing to help themselves when we have our own problems to sort out?

i know its not a nice thing to say but we should help our own 1st.
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 06:53 PM
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It’s not just an African problem, it's a worldwide problem, people think they have, excuse the pun, a god given right to have children. The human race continues to grow unabated, but nobody wants to talk about controlling it. The only outcome will be a shortage of resources, i.e. food and the inevitable wars that follow it.
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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 07:12 PM
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Education and contraception would probably do it.

Yes all the morons in our country are firing out kids they can't afford perhaps we should ask Africa to sponsor them?

I wonder how much of the donated money gets to where it's intended and how many people get rich along the way?

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Old Dec 27, 2013 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
How exactly are they going to 'drag us down to their level'?
They will / are coming to the UK and we will end up a third world country because they are incapable of living in a civilised society.


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/406848a2-6...#axzz2ohmFMynx

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