ronjeramy

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I think the point is, it's a used modified impreza and they're advertising it at £72k when you can buy in "my opinion" a better speced used Impreza for £17.5k
https://www.scoobynet.com/subaru-444...rces-sale.html

marshall332bhp

Was waiting for steves car to come up. That is a loverly car and defo a bargain at that price.

juggers

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Pretty sure this was done a few years back by Litchfield imports.......there a bit slow at the game.

kenc

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Considering what power some guys are running on standard Newage 2ltr engines... This is not exactly ground breaking stuff. regards the price.... gIMME gIMME a tuned GTR any day

romford-boy

You're missing the logic behind the price. That STI is not being sold at a profit, or even to break even and could NOT be repeated for the price you state. Then there is VAT that cannot be avoided.

Put the two cars (or Frayz`s Bomber) in a comparable position and they are all in the £70k region!

ronjeramy

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I understand the logic, but it's still a used modified Impreza, it hasn't been built from a new shell upwards, it's not on a 13 plate, so it's not any better than the car in the advert I posed up.

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nice for someone to ask at last..!
;-)

30th of April....last year we had 4 cameras that were supposed to be sins'd together but we failed on our set up.
This year we might just run 4 gopro's and get someone to do the split screen work later...

We will time the B to G as well as the full lap time...

thenewgalaxy

If you have a good driver and favourable traffic & weather I think you've got the capability in that car to smash the record.

The time attack car set a disappointing time for me. Imprezas have been running sub-8s since 2003-odd so 8-9 years has seen an improvement of 4 seconds at best over 8 minutes.

-Nic-

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What sort of time are you aiming/hoping for?

ditchmyster

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This is nothing new IMO, plenty 500+ bhp imprezas out there, and all it would take to smash the record to oblivion is the ring taxi bird to have a couple of laps in one of the many 500 bhp cars.

As for the £72k price tag, i'd be prepared to prove it's possible to build a car of the same performance for half that price tag, if the good members of scoobynet would like to sponsor me.

romford-boy

lol, well I won't be sponsoring you......but you can 100% build a car for under £72k, but you couldn't sell one through a business and make a margin for less.

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Tidy car is steve's...we've done a bit of work on it - sure he could let you know the attention of detail weve gone to on our car to make it different to whats already out there..

Some people are mising the point of the build as a lot of cars have been heavily modded but run std bodwork for their own reason. We chose to do the complete car and still take stick for it...LOL

Its been said that weve just slapped on a "bodykit" did a paint job and dropped an engine in, the magazine article over the last 12mths in JP show weve done a lot more than that..
Also Evo, how they write about it is their choice - when asked how much to replicate it we gave a price...certainly wasnt the price we'd planned hence the plaque was done as a build number of 01/10 at the early stages - but then again if we had offered them at 20k some people would still say it was overpriced.
:-)

Vat sadly is something the government charge not us and "if" we built another we would have to charge it out.
If we however came to sell the car when its done its journey with us, we wouldnt charge vat as its a used car so price would obviously drop...

Then you could maybe compare to other used cars for sale...

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Wasnt just about performance - if it was we would have built an 800bhp car, read the past posts and you might understand what weve built and why..

Hope that helps

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Has to be used as needed a donor car and subaru dont make chassis anymore for the hawkeye...
A 13 plate would push costs up further and to be honest we picked the best shape to work with...had a 22B and didnt see any point in copying that shape as its been done so many times before...
Have you seen both cars in the flesh to compare...?

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B to G done many years ago...

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If we couldnt break the 7.55 time of a spec-c we would be dissapointed...

as far a target time, only time will tell what it produces around the Loop - but a lot of it depends on the traffic on track..
:-)

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+1...

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Phew....hope weve answered all of your points/questions..

At least where getting down to the nitty,gritty of what weve tried to build/schieve now....

anymore points, please fire away and we'll answer them as soon as we can...

cheers

hill79

It might not be what I'd buy if I had £72,000 and wanted something to blat around a track, but reading Revolutions replies it seems that selling these isn't really their long term goal.

As a demonstration of their skills and a marketing tool, its ideal. I'd certainly give me confidence taking my car to them to work on, which I think is the point. If they'd launched a selection of upgrade packages for Imprezas with this as the aspirational flagship I think there'd have been less grumbling over the price.

ditchmyster

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Ahh well it was worth a try.

I disagree about building one and making a margin as a business though.

Where they have gone wrong on this one with regards pricing is, it's their R&D car and it's also a prototype, which anyone will tell you costs significantly more to make as everything is either a first or has been done over and over to get it right, it also spent 3 months having the bodywork done by someone else, which i imagine didn't give much change from £10k, so pricing retrospectively so to speak is always going to be higher with all the man hours that have gone into the job, and i'd wager there are a fair few that have not gone into the £72k price tag.

I'd say the likes of Engine Tuner, API and particularly Scooby Clinic having their own body shop could knock up a 2 door wide body newage 500+bhp car for a lot less than £40k, i have in fact seen a 2 door classic wagon with wide body in their workshop that they have done, and was given a rough price of around £4k to do a wide body on my Type r, and with that in mind i'd say they could do the afore mentioned 500 bhp car for circa £25/30k, including suspension, brakes, cage etc, especially when you consider there are many people running circa 500 bhp on standard STI internals and are regularly thrashing them at the ring.

So in summary why pay £72k for something that can and has been done for a third of the price.

Imo, This car and the concept is dead when it hits the ground @ £72k and i doubt they will sell one let alone 10, as anyone who begins to scratch the surface of researching a car like this and the costs involved will quickly come to the conclusion that it's way, way to over priced for what it will deliver, as most in the know on this thread have already commented.

This is all IMO of course, and i wish them all the best in their endeavours.

ditchmyster

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+1

joz8968

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Herein lies the reason (IMO).

I assumed, up until this build, that they were predominantly a mail order firm -- but also with premises for passing custom and regular servicing, etc.

This project has opened my eyes and would give me confidence in using them (if I lived a lot closer lol).

This is the embodiment of the power of marketing/advertising.

ditchmyster

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I did actually read the whole thread, as i usually do before commenting.

As a marketing/publicity tool it works, as this thread is testament to, but as my above comments, as a 10 off special edition it's just not going to happen, especially when you consider that Cosworth struggled to sell the CS400 and the likes of litchfield are selling their special editions of similar spec and arguably better spec suspension for significantly less.

Imo the only people that could pull this one off are RCM, and i'd wager they already have on a number of occasions but they just don't go around shouting about it.

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ditchmyster
Points above duly noted, but we have cut the hours to exactly how long the car took to build...
We have calculated the costs of assigning a single member of staff to work on the car full time - not doing i between other jobs and delivering the car on time to the exact customer spec, be it full spec or part spec.
Anywhere in europe with a 12mth warranty on or off track - no one else is offering this service.

I know that widebodied type-R's look pretty cool but been done sooo many times before and we were trying to be different innovative (dash work along took 30+ hrs and 2k in parts).
cheers for your thoughts though as all feedback is good feedback.


hill79
youre correct - its purely an example of what could be done and to demonstrate what we "could" offer..


joz8968
thanks also for the nice comments also
the debate on this car is great....
but as you say, this shows the scooby and other marques of modifying that were not just a mail-order Co. and love nothing better than getting stuck into a build

Our workshops have been rammed since we moved to the new premises in 2007 - quite proud to say we work on allsorts of cars these days...old new, jdm, euro, exotic and std...

weve got a new just-subaru website getting launched this spring, fingers crossed you will all love that too..

Have a nice project car to put on the front page now..
:-)

mickywrx

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EFA

stevep360

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Ok, heres my take on the whole thing. I know Glenn personally and the team up at Revolution. They have always bent over backwards to accommodate me whenever I needed work done at short notice and have done it professionally. They maintain the car and have done a considerable amount of work on it, always to a high standard. I also have witnessed first hand the amount of time and energy that went into the new Revolution project car from the day thye found the donor car to where it is now. As you may or may not be aware, Glenn and the team have always produced and ran demo cars up in the North East. As it was their 15th anniversary and I know they felt that this demo car should be something different. It may not be to some peoples taste but this car is different. I know that many find the price tag outrageous. However good or bad it now has everyone talking. Its a project to show what they can now do in house. I have seen the car in the metal, and was lucky enough to get a passenger ride in it around the ring with the race driver in the pilots seat. Its a quick car and handles exceptionally well. Those who are doubting the suspension setup don't, it handles like its on rails but that is not the point. The point is that its had extensive media coverage and will get much more. It had to be different, whats the point of putting a built engine into an oem looking car? That ain't gonna grab anyone's attention within the media. It had to be OTT.

All they have tried to do is turn the whole thing on its head and produce something that hasn't been done before and get tongues wagging. Job done by the looks of this thread if anythings to go by.



I wish them the best of luck for the future. I dont like to show anyone malice on this forum towards their cars.

Oh and my car's still available :-)

SPEN555

IIRC, Litchfield and Powerstation built a 2006 Hawkeye and won Time Attack with it. It was around 600bhp and they had it for sale at £49,950. Hell of a car

rob17c

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Good luck with the record Glen.

Kind regards

Rob

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LMTO....micky, youre always wlecome anytime
;-)

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cheers for nice words Steve....
Wasnt expecting you to say anything but maybe help shed a different angle on what & why we built the 2-door from a local subaru owners point of view who's seen it evolve.

cheers Rob also..

BTW - been in Steve's car and if youre in the market for a crazy quick car that's a wolf in sheeps clothing...you need to get in touch with him as this is an epic machine!

Glenn