Afghan Invasion
22 July 2012, 05:36 PM
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Do not even try that emotional 'our lads' stuff with me. It does not matter what my opinion of said soldiers is. The only opinion that matters is the Aghans. If they see them as saviours then great, if they see them as terrorists then so be it really.
However if you really must know i feel sorry for them. They are being 'used' by the gov for another gov and when they get home they are shafted by the same gov. They are brainwashed into thinking they are doing an honourable thing. Tell me something, do you feel sorry for suicide bombers? If not why not? They think they are doing the right thing, they have obviously been brainwashed to think that way why do you not feel for them>
I really wish we were in a position that war meant war aka both sides getting royally screwed before anyone decided on invading anyone. Remember you might sit there in the comfort of your home justifying the rape of another country especially when you know fully well that Monday morning you are going to work and all is normal. If the shoe was on the other foot i'm sure you war supporting types would think twice before calling shots on how other countries should run. How about this. Sort out your own country first? The law is an absolute joke, drugs are rampant, crime is rampant, the good people are being royally screwed by the authorities and so on so forth.
However if you really must know i feel sorry for them. They are being 'used' by the gov for another gov and when they get home they are shafted by the same gov. They are brainwashed into thinking they are doing an honourable thing. Tell me something, do you feel sorry for suicide bombers? If not why not? They think they are doing the right thing, they have obviously been brainwashed to think that way why do you not feel for them>
I really wish we were in a position that war meant war aka both sides getting royally screwed before anyone decided on invading anyone. Remember you might sit there in the comfort of your home justifying the rape of another country especially when you know fully well that Monday morning you are going to work and all is normal. If the shoe was on the other foot i'm sure you war supporting types would think twice before calling shots on how other countries should run. How about this. Sort out your own country first? The law is an absolute joke, drugs are rampant, crime is rampant, the good people are being royally screwed by the authorities and so on so forth.
You keep talking about 'their country' and 'their resources' but who exactly do you mean by 'they'?
22 July 2012, 05:42 PM
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Plus you are aware that not all the people fighting against the west are the taliban aren't you? Have you ever considered that some of the locals will not want to see their country invaded so have therefore joined the taliban anyway?
As for who's country it is. The taliban are afghan too. It is not for us to decide who the country belongs to or not!
22 July 2012, 05:44 PM
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I feel OK about that. Aggressive liberalism, that is. If I see something happening that I don't like, it's only natural to want to stop it.
Where things get clouded for me is in the manner in which that is done: e.g. to what extent, if any, is it reasonable to force others to fulfill a moral goal; in our case, by forcing them to pay taxes which are then used for funding. I tend towards it being not reasonable at all, but extremes test principles...
Where things get clouded for me is in the manner in which that is done: e.g. to what extent, if any, is it reasonable to force others to fulfill a moral goal; in our case, by forcing them to pay taxes which are then used for funding. I tend towards it being not reasonable at all, but extremes test principles...
22 July 2012, 06:40 PM
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No i don't support them. I admire the fact that they won't roll over and have their country stolen off them.
Plus you are aware that not all the people fighting against the west are the taliban aren't you? Have you ever considered that some of the locals will not want to see their country invaded so have therefore joined the taliban anyway?
As for who's country it is. The taliban are afghan too. It is not for us to decide who the country belongs to or not!
Plus you are aware that not all the people fighting against the west are the taliban aren't you? Have you ever considered that some of the locals will not want to see their country invaded so have therefore joined the taliban anyway?
As for who's country it is. The taliban are afghan too. It is not for us to decide who the country belongs to or not!
You just asserted it was 'their' country then contradict yourself at the end, so which is it?
22 July 2012, 06:54 PM
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Simple logic really.
Taliban is a Afghan issue not ours! (although we have made it ours and when we leave guess what the Taliban will walk right back in and say lolz)
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22 July 2012, 07:05 PM
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That's a tautology Shaid, it's not itself a reason to justify the regime of the Taliban.
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22 July 2012, 07:19 PM
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22 July 2012, 07:28 PM
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You answer...by tortuous means...is because they are from Afghanistan.
That makes no sense as a logical statement, it's one premis and a conclusion. You need at least another premis in a syllogism.
22 July 2012, 07:46 PM
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I was under the assumption that following the terrorist attacks on the twin towers - Sep 11, 2001 (where a few thousand people were killed by AQ terrorists) the "Rest of World" joined together and entered Afghanistan the following month and dismantled what they could find of AQ - with some of the scum escaping capture by slipping over the border into Pakistan (OBL being one of those scumbags).
What more of a reason would you need than that one?
What more of a reason would you need than that one?
22 July 2012, 07:53 PM
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You aren't using logic. I asked how Afghanistan was 'their' country i.e on what basis is their sovereignty justified?
You answer...by tortuous means...is because they are from Afghanistan.
That makes no sense as a logical statement, it's one premis and a conclusion. You need at least another premis in a syllogism.
You answer...by tortuous means...is because they are from Afghanistan.
That makes no sense as a logical statement, it's one premis and a conclusion. You need at least another premis in a syllogism.
22 July 2012, 07:58 PM
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This is my country i contribute a lot more than so many of the natives to this land both monetary and otherwise. I have as much say in this place as you have. If you can't live with that then i suggest you leave (close the door on your way out).
We all know we have our own problems in our own country. I suggest if people do have a problem with a brownie stating the obvious then the problems are a bit more than we all thought.
22 July 2012, 08:03 PM
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no the prolem is you preaching on here supporting the taliban and telling us to sort our contry out....that would be your country as well and i dont give 2 ****s what colour your skin is.you are the typical idiot that thinks they know what is really going on out there and you dont.a lot of people on here have been there...have you??? thought not.
maybe its you that should close the door on your way out to prey.goodnight.
maybe its you that should close the door on your way out to prey.goodnight.
22 July 2012, 08:07 PM
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no the prolem is you preaching on here supporting the taliban and telling us to sort our contry out....that would be your country as well and i dont give 2 ****s what colour your skin is.you are the typical idiot that thinks they know what is really going on out there and you dont.a lot of people on here have been there...have you??? thought not.
maybe its you that should close the door on your way out to prey.goodnight.
maybe its you that should close the door on your way out to prey.goodnight.
First of all not supporting the war, acknowledging that the Taliban do have a land does not mean supporting them!
Secondly, i assume you are native English and all that but you do have a spell check and frankly my five year old son could do a better job in English than you.
Goodnight to you too Mr Troll
PS - I believe you have been in the army in stan right, **** me if the rest of the soldiers are anything as thick as you we might as well down the weapons now and leave them to it. Save alot of British lives and a lot of money to 'sort out our own problems'.
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22 July 2012, 08:10 PM
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when you have seen your mates get blown up by cowards that strap ied's to their children and get them to say hello to the soldiers i will take you seriously as you are coming over as a fanatic...
not everyone agrees with us being there.i dont and never have done but i followed orders as thats what soldiers do.how can you keep stating your country yet support the taliban because thats how you are coming over on here.
so who is the moron???
or are you just stating all of this to get reactions from people???
so who is the troll...not me.
not everyone agrees with us being there.i dont and never have done but i followed orders as thats what soldiers do.how can you keep stating your country yet support the taliban because thats how you are coming over on here.
so who is the moron???
or are you just stating all of this to get reactions from people???
so who is the troll...not me.
22 July 2012, 08:18 PM
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when you have seen your mates get blown up by cowards that strap ied's to their children and get them to say hello to the soldiers i will take you seriously as you are coming over as a fanatic...
not everyone agrees with us being there.i dont and never have done but i followed orders as thats what soldiers do.how can you keep stating your country yet support the taliban because thats how you are coming over on here.
so who is the moron???
or are you just stating all of this to get reactions from people???
so who is the troll...not me.
not everyone agrees with us being there.i dont and never have done but i followed orders as thats what soldiers do.how can you keep stating your country yet support the taliban because thats how you are coming over on here.
so who is the moron???
or are you just stating all of this to get reactions from people???
so who is the troll...not me.
The situation you described must be horrible to go through not to mention the physcological scars such an event has upon a person. Your issue is that because of the amount of Taliban supporting Muslims you have no doubt come across you must think that i'm one too, right? Nope, you couldn't be further from the truth.
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22 July 2012, 08:21 PM
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It never ceases to amaze me, Isaac.
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...2&postcount=16
In my experience, the only way opponents are able to refute this is with an unfalsifiable conspiracy theory of the type on show here. They're peddled by every Muslim I know, including cyber-pals and people with whom I dine. No beards or pyjamas, funny and literate, spirituallly non-literalist, relatively liberal; the type of Muslim most would describe as 'moderate', but nonetheless they absolutely insist upon subscribing to a conspiracy theory around the 9/11 chain of events. In my view it's the only way the Ummah can perpetuate the myth that the Afghanistan war (and others) is an attack by the West on all Muslims. It must be shown as an attack to justify a 'defence'.
The conspiracy horeshít is used as a recruitment tool or as a solidfier of the Dar al-Harb notion and made more sinister in that it's attractive to bright, inquisitive, but credulous minds that are surrounded by the like-minded and the initiated. When the latter warn that 'Westerners' and 'Infidels' and 'Kuffar' will counter (with reasoned, logical and fact-based arguments), the former finds that this happens and becomes more convinced of his elders' credentials..
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...2&postcount=16
In my experience, the only way opponents are able to refute this is with an unfalsifiable conspiracy theory of the type on show here. They're peddled by every Muslim I know, including cyber-pals and people with whom I dine. No beards or pyjamas, funny and literate, spirituallly non-literalist, relatively liberal; the type of Muslim most would describe as 'moderate', but nonetheless they absolutely insist upon subscribing to a conspiracy theory around the 9/11 chain of events. In my view it's the only way the Ummah can perpetuate the myth that the Afghanistan war (and others) is an attack by the West on all Muslims. It must be shown as an attack to justify a 'defence'.
The conspiracy horeshít is used as a recruitment tool or as a solidfier of the Dar al-Harb notion and made more sinister in that it's attractive to bright, inquisitive, but credulous minds that are surrounded by the like-minded and the initiated. When the latter warn that 'Westerners' and 'Infidels' and 'Kuffar' will counter (with reasoned, logical and fact-based arguments), the former finds that this happens and becomes more convinced of his elders' credentials..
Yes it is, and western governments would never use tactics like this to brain wash their moderate middle class.
22 July 2012, 09:31 PM
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22 July 2012, 09:33 PM
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I be honest, i haven't a clue what you are rambling on about now however for the Taliban to be from Afghan is good enough for most people for them to claim Afghanistan. In the same way Afghanistan belongs to Talibans Afghan enemies. IE not something that you or anyone non Afghan has any say or input on!
Why is local tyranny more just than foreign tyranny?
22 July 2012, 09:46 PM
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My political views are falsifiable and based upon the principles of the classics and the Enlightenment. Conspiracy theories, by their very nature, are not. I'd rather not get in to an exchange with you if you don't mind, I find your contributions a little bit silly.
22 July 2012, 10:10 PM
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If only this government applied the same logic you have laid out. If they don't like the Taliban they should just **** off out the country back home to America or Britain.
22 July 2012, 10:51 PM
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In your eyes, there would be nothing wrong with such an outcome, would there?
22 July 2012, 11:13 PM
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What would your preferred course of action be if the Taliban decided to come over here, brutally oppress part of the population and force them to live without anything approaching human rights? Imagine for a minute that nothing could be done about it.
In your eyes, there would be nothing wrong with such an outcome, would there?
In your eyes, there would be nothing wrong with such an outcome, would there?
22 July 2012, 11:17 PM
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Some of that statement was wrong.after meeting locals on my tours you start to care about them and what happens to them.its just human nature when you meet decent people which most of the locals are.I am proud to have helped rebuild markets and make it safer for kids to go to school but I will never be proud of the fighting.
22 July 2012, 11:26 PM
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If somebody came here to invade our country, we would all get together and fight them off inc me, and the same thing is going on there.
Yes I know the tt was blown down but obl is gone now and no WMD is found, so leave! There is nothing left for them to do, they have their revenge or not?
Lives are still being lost both ways for nothing now, my bro in law is on standby for afghan, but what for? To rebuild the country? What's the point let them do it and save the life's that are left.
Yes I know the tt was blown down but obl is gone now and no WMD is found, so leave! There is nothing left for them to do, they have their revenge or not?
Lives are still being lost both ways for nothing now, my bro in law is on standby for afghan, but what for? To rebuild the country? What's the point let them do it and save the life's that are left.
22 July 2012, 11:27 PM
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Some of that statement was wrong.after meeting locals on my tours you start to care about them and what happens to them.its just human nature when you meet decent people which most of the locals are.I am proud to have helped rebuild markets and make it safer for kids to go to school but I will never be proud of the fighting.
I suppose once you meet some of the locals you will naturally start treating them as neighbours. That is a good thing as it proves no matter how much these soldiers are broken down then reshape ultimately they are Human first.
22 July 2012, 11:30 PM
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You must really get a kick out of wasting people's time
23 July 2012, 12:21 AM
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That's not what you started this thread about though, is it. You came here to peddle your little "war for mineral resources" conspiracy, yet 2 days and 4 pages on, you still haven't posted one scintilla of evidence even hinting at US mining interests being offered or asking for preferential access to what's below the ground in Afghanistan.
You must really get a kick out of wasting people's time
You must really get a kick out of wasting people's time
But if you insist
http://www.infowars.com/afghanistan-mineral-deposits-was-economic-prize-all-along-brzezinski/
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23 July 2012, 01:10 AM
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What would your preferred course of action be if the Taliban decided to come over here, brutally oppress part of the population and force them to live without anything approaching human rights? Imagine for a minute that nothing could be done about it.
In your eyes, there would be nothing wrong with such an outcome, would there?
In your eyes, there would be nothing wrong with such an outcome, would there?
You could not be more gullible
Or is this your way of trying to justify the attacks on innocents?
23 July 2012, 07:21 AM
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I find your contributions to be those of a typical middle class blithering idiot, who has an education and still can't see the wood for the trees.
As for the classics and the enlightenment, all you do is regurgitate a load of imperialist horsesh!t and think that makes you some sort of authority on world politics, when in fact your not capable of mustering an original independant thought.
Have a nice life sponge.