andythejock01wrx

Cheers Maz. Didn't know David was famous!

TonyBurns

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Its not Prodrives problem, the issue lies with IM and what they requested for the car, and it had alot of developement, remember the car is based on a version 5 and not a version 6 STI
If Prodrive would have had their way I bet you would have seen a better map on the ecu (safer for UK fuel), kept some of the goodies like climate control and folding electric mirrors, they did have some say in the aero package but not the overall package...

Tony

Maz

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This is the annoying thing Tony. To have someone of Peter Stevens calibre involved in the aero package and then cut corners on fundamentals like a few creature comforts and ecu mapping is commercial suicide! Mind you that's been synonymous with Subaru much to the dismay of loyal customers.

WhiteWagonMan

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CHRIS..dont you mean you would rather induce oversteer AGAIN and go straight into the KIRB AGAIN like you did last year outside sheffield subaru service destroying your wheel in front on all the club members...OOOOOOOOPS PMSL.

doormatty

I found the P1 excellent handling in all driving
I found the Type 25 more like pure power when needed but smooth when you want to take your time
P1 was more aggressive for me.

I know others will not agree but thats what i found

Ste RB5138

I love all 2 door bodyshell GC8's...if I was looking for one today, I would always steer towards a P1 with 18"s and forged engine with a remap for UK fuel, I just prefer it cosmetically.

The Trooper 1815

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[quote=snake1906;10015395] Really?



280 BHP Twin scroll and sub 5 secs to 60!

+Doc+

Can anyone point me to the official statement that shows Subaru and or Prodrive are at fault for P1 engines letting go due to to a 'unfinished map' or similar?

Cheers.

B4D HK

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nope, Hawk RA-R is the best to date

wrxsti280

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p1 is a poverty spec type r with plastic bits tacked to it, gotta be an early ra or sti for me, nothing embodies the basics of scoob ownership as well, the original and the best and always will be in my opinion.

snake1906

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is this thing still going? what else have we found to argue about? anything good?

snake1906

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[quote=wrxsti280;10018967]p1 is a poverty spec type r with plastic bits tacked to it, gotta be an early ra or sti for me, nothing embodies the basics of scoob ownership as well, the original and the best and always will be in my opinion.

poverty spec type r? silence yourself keep saving up when you can afford to drive 1 then you can comment

wrxsti280

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[quote=snake1906;10019070]you *****, most of them are at bargain end of market mate, purely because they are nothing special so could easily afford one, although would never bother to, they are nothing special compared to some scoobs out there, most of which have been mentioned in previous posts, so i wont bother going over them again.

stuart148

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bargin end of the market ???

iv seen them up at 9k , they are a limited edition thats all , same as wr1's. rb320s etc so will always hold a little more value

iv had sti's, 2 type r's , a wr1 and now iv got a p1

and to be honest there all **** , only thing good about them all is the power for the £££

stu

fildigger

E46 M3 is a far Better car for the Money .....


.....BUT..


...i P/X'd my M3 for the P1 and although to me the statement above is true, There is no doubting the P1 puts a slightly bigger on my face !

topguntone

Nice comments on here about the P1.

As a P1 owner I have to say that the 22B is the best bar none!! Type R is a close second ONLY cause it has the centre diff switch option, but as a UK spec car, the P1 is as good as any especially as it has a superior ride over the other 2 cars!!! As for looks, 22B scores every time but the P1 does look better than the type R IMHO.

If you ever want a demo on what the P1 is capable of, you MUST jump into skullfudge's car and I can tell you what, all you guys who think the P1 is not worth a **** can go and play with yourselves!

I agree on the comments about ALL scoobies being **** and the only best thing about them is the power for ££. The build quality is woeful, the spare parts are extortionate and overall, the quality of the product is NO better than a ford focus RS!! But at the end of the day, my P1 is great, I would have to spend 3 times its second hand value to get a car that looks as good, goes as rediculously quick and makes me feel as safe as houses on some of the best A and B roads that Wales can throw at me. And of course as skull's car testifies, you can get as much BHP out of it as you like which will **** over any Spec C bollocks that litchfield have on their books!

For those have not had one, you just cannot comment guys cause there is NO WAY I would get my **** sitting in a 4 door bug eye that does not know its front from its rear. 4 door cars are for grandads with cloth caps no matter how you dress them up to look!!

+Doc+

Everyone who is saying the 22b is the best Impreza needs to drive one, it aint.
It looks the best thats all.

TonyBurns

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God spot the P1 owner

Right, lets get some facts straight here, you cannot compare Skullfudges car against a standard or nearly standard car, if you want to compare it to anything then try Richard Bulmers MY02 Bug Spec C running 500+bhp on standard internals or Shaun's old Spec C running 600+ bhp, and even then you would have to put them all on the same track and be shocked that the new age cars will probably come out on top (none of this straight line poofy stuff ), but it would be close if all the cars had the right modifications.

Im lucky enough to have both a V5 STI Type R and an MY03 Spec C, as for 4 doors for old men sorry, you have not clue what so ever, the type R is a great car, it does have more goodies than a P1, the P1 is as said several times (plays that record again) an STI5 in a type R shell, it does miss out on alot of things the type R has, especially the limiteds which have a few more handling goodies, and the better ride? a set of eibach springs is all you need, that was the difference (expensive eh? )

We shall go through this bit again also, the P1 was developed for the masses, they basically gave the UK a 280ps JDM car that anyone could drive, that was the theory behind it, no need to mess around with the DCCD, no need for climate control and we are still baffled why they shoved the cheap UK a/c in there, no need for the electric folding mirrors etc, but it was still flawed (100 ron JDM map with a little more knock correction for instance wasnt 100% suitable for the UK even with the Broquets), and it wasnt as hard core as the JDM cars, which is what alot of people wanted, though most were more than delighted to get a 280ps car with a 3 year warranty rather than having to go to Warrenders, Park Lane, David Hendry's etc for a JDM car.

As for thinking all scoobs are sh1te and its just ££ for BHP, then your totally wrong, along with anyone else who thinks like that, because if you see the car like that (controvery coming up ) then your not really an enthusiast, its the heritage, if your buying it because its "fast and easy to tune", buy a bike, they are quicker, your buying a scoob because Subaru has a history behind it in rallying, not bad for a company which started in tractors is it?

Tony

PS, 4 doors rock! you can even get people in the back seats

TonyBurns

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The few people ive heard with them say something similar, they are a great car but a real handful to drive, but people will say that about their own scoobs being the best and that xx is a fat lardy heap or yy isnt a car you want to be in in a crash

Tony

Maz

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Cult/classic status is not always down to how a car drives.

topguntone

blimey we got a right dickie know all in here haven't we!!

p1 built for the masses??? mm think there was only 1000 cars made and with all the write off's that number is probably down to half so how many masses were you thinking of, think the Type R was for the masses as it was built in mega numbers in japan. P1 was built to counter act the influx of JDM cars into the UK right or wrong so that it was a UK spec car and not a import - right?

I got a bike too a very fast one so I am lucky in that I got thrills on 2 and 4 wheels!

2 door cars in general look the nuts compared to their 4 door counterparts not just imprezas you can have as many goodies on your 4 door as you like, a 2 door impreza looks 10 times better than any 4 door with folding mirrors or any other crap you want to put on it!

like the guy earlier in the thread made out, the build quality on a beamer M3 is 10 times better and even a focus would leave the scooby trailing in its wake on that front. I agree I bought mine 7 years ago cause it had enormous heritage but I did not expect to be replacing the whole of its rear end due to corrosion!! respraying its arches due to rust in so many places after 10 years! You probably have yours stuck in a heated garage with a cover of it!

dont need to defend the car, its great, you should get one and trade in that 4 door tractor of yours!!

Will

I remember me having to take the engine out of my P1 before it melted

TonyBurns

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Well so far you dont seem to be coming out with any good answers

Do you actually read?
I will repeat myself again for you

The P1 was a JDM car for the UK market.
The STI type R is a JDM car that was imported to the UK by some of those suppliers I mentioned.
Are we good so far?

Originally only 500 P1's were to be built, due to more than 500 people (ie the masses as Subaru UK kept a fairly tight hold on the import numbers on UK cars, went to pot in 1999/2000 when euro imports were readily available), they increased the production number to 1000, of which the first 500 sold and the 2nd batch of 500 didnt quite do as well, hence you see P1's on W-51 plates.

Good for you

I agree, 2 door cars do look great, ive 1 2 door, 2 3 door and a 4 door, all I need now is a 5 door

How can you compare a BMW with a Subaru
To start with a BMW M3 is twice the price of any Subaru, you may as well compare a Rolls Royce to a BMW...
As for a heated garage for my type R, I would love one of those but mine sits out in all weathers, ive done the rear arches as they rusted (been in the UK since new) and the roof near the windscreen, no problems with the underside though, did you not keep up with the body services?

Tony

stef_2010

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Arches on my type r are still in prestine condition

SamP1

True. As a performance car for £20k+ they're a bag of crap. However rarity and a wide body have given them garage queen status. You can get a red tommi mak evo 6 for about 10k which just as desirable and a better car.

garyburton

you *****, most of them are at bargain end of market mate, purely because they are nothing special so could easily afford one, although would never bother to, they are nothing special compared to some scoobs out there, most of which have been mentioned in previous posts, so i wont bother going over them again.[/QUOTE]

Oh it didn't take long for the insults to kick in...probably from someone who can't really comment on the thread...

topguntone

i read good mate maybe you should not be so bigotted and look outside the box away from your precious subaru

A Beamer M3 is a much better car than any subaru IN THE WAY ITS BUILT!! that was my point and even a ford focus is also better built than any subaru too!! The company has lost its way in so many ways and if its not careful it will of course go to the wall. its designers are out of sorts and its engineering is failing to inspire people to stay with the brand. The competition has pulled away whilst they have stood still

EddScott

Calm down twinkle

Newage has better mechanical components. If you're that fussed on asthetics, probably better to buy some cheap pork.

TonyBurns

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Oooh touchy
I do look outside the box, and yet your still comparing a BMW M3 with a Subaru STI, 2 totally different cars aimed at 2 totally different markets.

Im not quite sure you understand the concept here, they all run a very similar production method, some materials will be different but when they are put together its virtually identical, yet you say its better built or do you mean that the quality of the materials used are better in the BMW (though look at the 1 series and you may be shocked )

Why has it lost its way? because it now produces a hatchback which looks similar to a main stream car?
Lets look at ford, put them in a line (face on) and stand back, do the same for vauxhall, then BMW, citroen and peugeot do it too, damn all the manufacturers do it, all the cars look quite similar, so subaru are following the market trend, which in turn keeps them in business.
I will agree that they are not selling that many cars in the UK, this isnt because the cars are no longer popular, its due to the difference between the yen and the pound sterling, that over inflates the prices of the cars coming in, IM shove their bit on there too, dealers need their cut, spares go up also due to the difference in currency, but they have not lost their way (just look at the US market, its more prosperous than it has been for quite some time for subaru), and like everything, it has its ups and downs (considering that between 2003-2005 subaru had its best ever time since it moved into the UK and that was when the currency was at a high for the UK and low for Japan, now its just the other way round).

If anything, seeing the developement of new engines from Subaru is a promising sign of things to come, new diesels and petrol units, quite rare from any manufacturer to develope a totally new unit rather than use an old one as a base

Tony

Felix79

M3's of the same age are not as well built as you would expect. The E36 and E46 suffer badly with rust ( front arches blister on most ) . With the e36 being stupidly cheap , there are a ton of ex pikey owned cars that have not been looked after , and when these cars go wrong the bills are insainly high.