I understand Qutbist Islamists and Wahhabi fundamentalist often accuse each other of having a distorted view of Islam.

 

I read he had an argument with local mosque leaders and stormed out, that is not necessarily quite the same thing as 'he was confronted'.

Anyway your last point is all straw.

 

It's totally subjective; what is and what is not a 'correct' view of a particular religion.

It's actually dangerous to make morality about what a particular religious elites says it should be; it's just a kind of slavish obedience....easily harnessed by bad men.

It's doomed to failure as a way to fight extremism.

 

haha

 

 

I think Volvo or Ericsson

Tony

 

It may be 'encouraging' however the fact remains that he chose to blow himself up and tried to take other people with him and his motivation was religion or what he perceived to be religion and what his prophet wanted him to do otherwise he would not have do such a terrible thing!

The worry is that he was studying in the UK (Luton) and this is likely where he was radicalised and or encouraged to do such a dreadful thing.

Luton if my memory serves me well is where there where scumbag POS protesters yelling 'baby killers' and holding placards with anti British slogans, when the local regiment marched proudly through the streets of Luton on their arrival back in the UK from the ME.

No i am not saying all Muslims are terrorists...but we do seem to have some evil nasty people here happy to preach terror and Jihad and produce 'terrorists'.

This needs to stop!

Ignoring the problem an d the people causing the problems will not make it go away...

 

That's your opinion, but contrary to that, you may note the Saudi de-rad program being exported all around the world with great success

 

I've heard about it but have no idea how 'successful' it is and how you would even measure that?

 

and I wouls be surprised to find either at Luton Islamic centre so whats your point ?

 

It says on that page,
"R.I.P. Taimour Abdulwahab our brother and friend I was just praying and god was told me that I should not listen to what Swedish people have to say due they are a very week people and many of them are just gays or alcoholics. You Racists should be a shame coming to a memorial page and say racist things.
It's a real shame that none of you died. Over 9000 should have di..."

Nice, and I sincerely hope that anyone posting on there with stuff like that has a midnight visit from the intelligence services for a "chat". I try to be sensible about the Islamic posts but I don't think anyone slagging Muslims on here has advocated genocide like that.

 

I certainly would not call the acolytes of either of those two ideologies as 'moderate'.

More like radical.

 

I just worry that they get proficient, mercifully most attacks are enthusiastic yet inept, the wife got a text warning her that the Trafford Centre was under threat at the weekend, even her enthusiasm for shopping can be tempered by the threat of getting sliced in two by part of a Millies Cookies Stand or a scary little bear in a remote controlled car.

We seemed to go from things exploding due to Irish related issues and now its the Islamic fundamentalists turn, suppose all the troops came home from all Islamic nations, would then stop blowing stuff up (or at least trying to) or is it more complicated than that ?

 

The IRA had a tangible political goal, with the Islamists it (the goal) is much more nebulous, and they are much more diverse and fragmented.

It's certainly not about Iraq or 'cartoons' etc or Israel or fighting 'oppression'. It's more like a general political aim of advancing Islam....or fighting Islams perceived enemies.

 

I cited Qutbi and Wahhabi as two expansionist creeds of Salafi within Sunni Islam. The former a proponent of perpetuation via early 20th Century left-wing political devices, the latter via an immutable, fundamental adherence to 7/8th century teaching derived directly from the Qu'ran and Sunnah. It demonstrates how brethren, who in all other ways are inseperable, will claim one's view of Islam is distorted on the grounds that they espouse a different means to the same ends.

Without obfusgation, and as you're clearly informed, please advise me of the Aqeeda/Manhaj of Masjid Al Ghurabaa. It might also be helpful for you to investigate the creed of Taimour Abdulwahab al Abdaly. Perhaps when you have done this you could explain to me why you stated that he was "confronted" due to his "extreme interpretation of Islam" when I've been unable to find any commentary to corroberate this.

 

To be fair, they do have a point on the Swedes being 'week' and alco's....

(although the rest is utter bollox)

 

You really are an RE teacher, aren't you?

 

There was an interview with some senior guy from the Luton mosque who discussed how he'd had a 'debate' with the accused in front of the whole mosque; this would be the confrontation Luan alluded to which let to the accused 'storming' out of the mosque.

The guy mentioned something about 'killing innocents etc'....and the drift of the interview implied - to me - that the 'debate' was one of what was 'correct' interpretation and was thus within the realms of Islamic doctrine....rather than an appeal to reason etc which would be the alternative if say they were trying to convince him to become a secularist instead of an Islamist.

 

Umm, so they had a debate in a mosque. What else do you propose they should they have done? Strapped him down in a jump suit, perhaps.

 

Different means to the same ends.

What programme was the interview on?

 

Because he was an enemy combatant?

 

I'm not proposing they should have done anything.

But your question in hindsight is an interesting one; it seems he was showing all the signs of becoming a suicide bomber.

 

Shame he was not clued up enough!

 

Or good with Google!

 

What do you mean by this, Jamie?

 

He was somewhat intelligent yet fooked up the final plan.

 

That's a good thing though, surely. He could have killed dozens of innocent people. Why would that be a "shame".

 

Just saw it on the news. Seems sensible of the Luton centre to distance themselves after the event. I'm sure they wouldn't want the kind of attention that Finsbury recieves having fostered a number of operatives. I wonder if the Luton Islamic Centre informed the authorities of their concerns about this wouldbe murderer.

 

Yes that was a good thing

what i was saying is shame there intel/bombs are now not working not that i want them too.