Scoobynet BHP leader board
24 December 2010, 04:18 AM
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1 Mike Latimer - 750bhp 560ftlb 2.35 on race fuel gt35r Billet, 2.25 bar boost, VECS heads Cosworth cams (Did not last too well 3 track days and 4500 Miles, to be investgated maby user error that broke it.) (Made 701 on V power too) Home Built
2 STi Singh - 735.1Bhp (V3 RA, 2.35 & GT40)
3 Mike Latimer - 701bhp 610ftlb 2.35 on race fuel gt35r Billet, 2 bar boost, Ver 6 heads with LP cams (still going strong after 8000+ miles) Home Built
4 MAD Hammer - Drag car 682bhp
5 Simon Jolly Green Monster - 665bhp 2.1bar on race fuel 2.35 gt35R
6 Stew TFS Racing - 650.1bhp
7 bigarf - 650 (Currently the highest powered 2.1 in the UK to our knowledge)
vpower + 20%meth @ 2bar.built by enginetuner and still going strong.
8 andyscoobym3 -638bhp (2.5cdb,20%meth,2.2bar,t04z, 603 on v power)
9 Fai17 - 627
10 Banny - 620 (2.5 CDB)
11 Fiestaboy - 617 (Race Fuel)
12 badbird - 604 (V power only)
13 Martynj - 558.4bhp on Race Fuel
14 stevebt - 550 old figure so new one will be in a couple of weeks
15 Screechy - 528 (10% methanol)
16 Banny - 523
17 pugsleygti - 517 (15%meth)
18 TimHardisty - 2.5l, modified LM480 twin entry, 1.7bar, 516bhp, Vpower+10% meth see graph
19 MAD Hammer - Type R 509/441 (20% Meth)
20 Andy97 - 502 20% E85
21 Billsandhu - 490 (Vpower/Tesco's99)
22 fixup1982 - 485bhp/440lb (v-power / water-meth injection classic)
23 kiranbaloo - 481
24 Fat Boy - 480ish (P1 on V power)
25 Carpboy - 477
26 F11 SYS - 467 (Type R on V power)
27 Steve Whitehorn - 465ish (lightened classic - V power)
28 MelTypeR - 461 (Litchfield LM450 Spec C on v-power only)
Stevesbluewrx/The Gimp - 453 (std internals and sports cat but with 5/7% meth on V Power)
DaOne - 452 (v-power only)
Tempop1 451.4hp (2.5 conversion on v-power)
JD5217 - 451bhp (std internals 10% meth)
dave_garrett - 449 (MY05 2.5 cdb)
TX - 447/420 (UK 2.0 classic on T99) [372hp per ton ]
Anger - 437
B0DSKI - 425
555EFC - 420
dunx - 420 ( guessing, but it's quicker than when it ONLY had 390...)
F4la (john) - 410 on 25% meth
DANSSTI - 400
Shaun - 398 (VPower - MY06 JDM STI)
happydude303/ 390hp 365ft 2.0 classic wrx v power/20g
botb - 380
Wurzel - 370
johnfelstead - 370ish MY05 JDM STi (considerably faster than that lot in the twisties ^^^^^ and that lot too vvvvvv )
Carlh - 365
Mifo - 362 Spec C
Aladdin - (690hp Nissan Pulsar GTi-R) (400/400 Type R) & Now a 360hp S202
shagy1 = 360hp/370lbft (wrx inport )
Mystery_Machine - 352 (But has been seen to do 372)
LEO-TERZO - 350
EmzWRX - 349.5
Rickya - 345 (Spec C on Vpower)
rallychick - 345 (standard 95 wrx with bolt on's)
Bicco - 343
Tidgy - 341.4 (fund a different graph lol)
ScoobySteve69 - 340
ScoobyL - 340
badman1972 - 340
Arronb - 340/345 (laptop calc for my MY08 STI, must get it the rollers)
wrx fifer - 338.5 more next year!
paulwrxboro - 338 decat and filter (RS focus)
Richie - 334
GAZ2293 - 332/329 (V7 wrx)
mrfastbaz - 320
jdc1 - 319.6
Curtiz - 312
TonyBurns - 310@5570 (poorly car due to neutral pos switch being faulty)
Camoscooby - 310 (but not for long!)
Steve777 - 306
rapid.STI - 305 (Sti7 Prodrive)
Pimmo2000 - 302
Saint AAI - 301.5 (T2000)
Moley_WRX - 301 (in theory)
AndytheJock - 301 (in practice)
badman1972 (missus car) - 300
rogos - 295hp/251lbft (shell v-power + millers cvl turbo)
huntmartyn - 288hp/289tq ( wrx with 2.5 bottom end )
95turbowagon - 285/268 (Bug WRX)
Suberman - 276 (Spec C 280ps as per Japan's spec sheet)
JonMc - 270 (Fiestaboy estimate)
rapid.STI - 240 (UK Turbo Wagon)
Myles - 218 (on a good day!)
Allan - 45 (Smart Fortwo) std internals, sorry no graph to prove.
Frayz = Zero (currently)
G.Mac = Zero (looking forward to moving it up the list in a few month
dave_garrett = zero (type r undergoing Version 8 transplant)
si2000 = Zero (untill late spring 2011)
2 STi Singh - 735.1Bhp (V3 RA, 2.35 & GT40)
3 Mike Latimer - 701bhp 610ftlb 2.35 on race fuel gt35r Billet, 2 bar boost, Ver 6 heads with LP cams (still going strong after 8000+ miles) Home Built
4 MAD Hammer - Drag car 682bhp
5 Simon Jolly Green Monster - 665bhp 2.1bar on race fuel 2.35 gt35R
6 Stew TFS Racing - 650.1bhp
7 bigarf - 650 (Currently the highest powered 2.1 in the UK to our knowledge)
vpower + 20%meth @ 2bar.built by enginetuner and still going strong.
8 andyscoobym3 -638bhp (2.5cdb,20%meth,2.2bar,t04z, 603 on v power)
9 Fai17 - 627
10 Banny - 620 (2.5 CDB)
11 Fiestaboy - 617 (Race Fuel)
12 badbird - 604 (V power only)
13 Martynj - 558.4bhp on Race Fuel
14 stevebt - 550 old figure so new one will be in a couple of weeks
15 Screechy - 528 (10% methanol)
16 Banny - 523
17 pugsleygti - 517 (15%meth)
18 TimHardisty - 2.5l, modified LM480 twin entry, 1.7bar, 516bhp, Vpower+10% meth see graph
19 MAD Hammer - Type R 509/441 (20% Meth)
20 Andy97 - 502 20% E85
21 Billsandhu - 490 (Vpower/Tesco's99)
22 fixup1982 - 485bhp/440lb (v-power / water-meth injection classic)
23 kiranbaloo - 481
24 Fat Boy - 480ish (P1 on V power)
25 Carpboy - 477
26 F11 SYS - 467 (Type R on V power)
27 Steve Whitehorn - 465ish (lightened classic - V power)
28 MelTypeR - 461 (Litchfield LM450 Spec C on v-power only)
Stevesbluewrx/The Gimp - 453 (std internals and sports cat but with 5/7% meth on V Power)
DaOne - 452 (v-power only)
Tempop1 451.4hp (2.5 conversion on v-power)
JD5217 - 451bhp (std internals 10% meth)
dave_garrett - 449 (MY05 2.5 cdb)
TX - 447/420 (UK 2.0 classic on T99) [372hp per ton ]
Anger - 437
B0DSKI - 425
555EFC - 420
dunx - 420 ( guessing, but it's quicker than when it ONLY had 390...)
F4la (john) - 410 on 25% meth
DANSSTI - 400
Shaun - 398 (VPower - MY06 JDM STI)
happydude303/ 390hp 365ft 2.0 classic wrx v power/20g
botb - 380
Wurzel - 370
johnfelstead - 370ish MY05 JDM STi (considerably faster than that lot in the twisties ^^^^^ and that lot too vvvvvv )
Carlh - 365
Mifo - 362 Spec C
Aladdin - (690hp Nissan Pulsar GTi-R) (400/400 Type R) & Now a 360hp S202
shagy1 = 360hp/370lbft (wrx inport )
Mystery_Machine - 352 (But has been seen to do 372)
LEO-TERZO - 350
EmzWRX - 349.5
Rickya - 345 (Spec C on Vpower)
rallychick - 345 (standard 95 wrx with bolt on's)
Bicco - 343
Tidgy - 341.4 (fund a different graph lol)
ScoobySteve69 - 340
ScoobyL - 340
badman1972 - 340
Arronb - 340/345 (laptop calc for my MY08 STI, must get it the rollers)
wrx fifer - 338.5 more next year!
paulwrxboro - 338 decat and filter (RS focus)
Richie - 334
GAZ2293 - 332/329 (V7 wrx)
mrfastbaz - 320
jdc1 - 319.6
Curtiz - 312
TonyBurns - 310@5570 (poorly car due to neutral pos switch being faulty)
Camoscooby - 310 (but not for long!)
Steve777 - 306
rapid.STI - 305 (Sti7 Prodrive)
Pimmo2000 - 302
Saint AAI - 301.5 (T2000)
Moley_WRX - 301 (in theory)
AndytheJock - 301 (in practice)
badman1972 (missus car) - 300
rogos - 295hp/251lbft (shell v-power + millers cvl turbo)
huntmartyn - 288hp/289tq ( wrx with 2.5 bottom end )
95turbowagon - 285/268 (Bug WRX)
Suberman - 276 (Spec C 280ps as per Japan's spec sheet)
JonMc - 270 (Fiestaboy estimate)
rapid.STI - 240 (UK Turbo Wagon)
Myles - 218 (on a good day!)
Allan - 45 (Smart Fortwo) std internals, sorry no graph to prove.
Frayz = Zero (currently)
G.Mac = Zero (looking forward to moving it up the list in a few month
dave_garrett = zero (type r undergoing Version 8 transplant)
si2000 = Zero (untill late spring 2011)
28 December 2010, 08:05 PM
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Mike, how long did it last at 750? Not **** stirring, but i dont think your post above reads right. I thought it made 701 did a load of stuff, then went back for further mapping, made 750, and shortly afterwards it died? (as per your posts on 22B)
Kinda like me pinging the Bananas peak figures up, for what they are worth (not that i know), and saying it has done sh1tloads at that level. Where as i know, and you know, that they arent run at that peak level all the time, because, they will simply **** themselves.
Also disagree with the Home built bit, its kinda like me saying everyone i have done is home built, whereas in fact they are built at home, but as a business, like yours.
28 December 2010, 08:14 PM
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Surely we should be basing this on how long the actual car lasts at said bhp?
As I'm sure there has been some really high figures put out,but maybe never actuall left the rollers in on piece!
As I'm sure there has been some really high figures put out,but maybe never actuall left the rollers in on piece!
29 December 2010, 01:08 AM
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Your right steven It was not run that long at 750 it spent most of its time at 670-700 and was used very hard at that. At this sort of power they will not last forever, I think the boost levels have a lot to do with how long they last too, 2bar seams fine but we pushed it to 2.25 for the 750 which may well have been a step to far. We will have to wait a see as I am away at work at the mo.
I spose I could put 670-700 daily driver (only car) has made a peak of 750 on Charlies Dyno
What I mean by home built is. I have no engineering backround and have taught myself to build my engines rather than paying a tuner company lots of money to do it. The money I have spent on it, is all mine. Very much like your Wagon Steven, you would have called that home built would you not?
I would love to see what the banana can do
What lb compressor wheel is in it?
I spose I could put 670-700 daily driver (only car) has made a peak of 750 on Charlies Dyno
What I mean by home built is. I have no engineering backround and have taught myself to build my engines rather than paying a tuner company lots of money to do it. The money I have spent on it, is all mine. Very much like your Wagon Steven, you would have called that home built would you not?
I would love to see what the banana can do
What lb compressor wheel is in it?
29 December 2010, 09:16 AM
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havn't had the chance to get it on the strip yet,so wouldnt know.but no its not laggy at all on the road,yes if i'm tootling along in 6th on the motorway then i would have to drop down into 5th if i wanted a sudden burst as with all cars running a 6 speed box and a turbo of that size.if you look at the graph its making 300bhp/340lb torque at only 4500 rpm which is more than a lot of cars top end figure.also at only 1000rpm more its making 540bhp/500lb torque and you have to remember its only a 2.1.i suppose for all the people out there that dont know how to drive a car and only ever reach 3000rpm before they change gear then yes it may well seem a little laggy,but it doesnt matter what gear i'm in whether it be 3rd,4th or 5th. if i'm not already on boost (which i normally am),all i need is one gearchange down and beleive me its not laggy.
29 December 2010, 09:59 AM
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havn't had the chance to get it on the strip yet,so wouldnt know.but no its not laggy at all on the road,yes if i'm tootling along in 6th on the motorway then i would have to drop down into 5th if i wanted a sudden burst as with all cars running a 6 speed box and a turbo of that size.if you look at the graph its making 300bhp/340lb torque at only 4500 rpm which is more than a lot of cars top end figure.also at only 1000rpm more its making 540bhp/500lb torque and you have to remember its only a 2.1.i suppose for all the people out there, I dont know how to drive a car and only ever reach 3000rpm before they change gear then yes it may well seem a little laggy,but it doesnt matter what gear i'm in whether it be 3rd,4th or 5th. if i'm not already on boost (which i normally am),all i need is one gearchange down and beleive me its not laggy.
I thought you were at Scoobyshoot out
6th gear Arf mine is at full boost at around 3800rpm 
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1 Mike Latimer - 750bhp 560ftlb 2.35 on race fuel gt35r Billet, 2.25 bar boost, VECS heads Cosworth cams (Did not last too well 3 track days and 4500 Miles, to be investgated maby user error that broke it.) (Made 701 on V power too) Home Built
2 STi Singh - 735.1Bhp (V3 RA, 2.35 & GT40)
3 Mike Latimer - 701bhp 610ftlb 2.35 on race fuel gt35r Billet, 2 bar boost, Ver 6 heads with LP cams (still going strong after 8000+ miles) Home Built
4 MAD Hammer - Drag car 682bhp
5 Simon Jolly Green Monster - 665bhp 2.1bar on race fuel 2.35 gt35R
6 Stew TFS Racing - 650.1bhp
7 bigarf - 650 (Currently the highest powered 2.1 in the UK to our knowledge)
vpower + 20%meth @ 2bar.built by enginetuner and still going strong.
8 andyscoobym3 -638bhp (2.5cdb,20%meth,2.2bar,t04z, 603 on v power)
9 Fai17 - 627
10 Banny - 620 (2.5 CDB)
11 Fiestaboy - 617 (Race Fuel)
12 badbird - 604 (V power only)
13 Martynj - 558.4bhp on Race Fuel
14 stevebt - 550 old figure so new one will be in a couple of weeks
15 Screechy - 528 (10% methanol)
16 Banny - 523
17 pugsleygti - 517 (15%meth)
18 TimHardisty - 2.5l, modified LM480 twin entry, 1.7bar, 516bhp, Vpower+10% meth see graph
19 MAD Hammer - Type R 509/441 (20% Meth)
20 Andy97 - 502 20% E85
21 Billsandhu - 490 (Vpower/Tesco's99)
22 fixup1982 - 485bhp/440lb (v-power / water-meth injection classic)
23 kiranbaloo - 481
24 Fat Boy - 480ish (P1 on V power)
25 Carpboy - 477
26 F11 SYS - 467 (Type R on V power)
27 Steve Whitehorn - 465ish (lightened classic - V power)
28 MelTypeR - 461 (Litchfield LM450 Spec C on v-power only)
Stevesbluewrx/The Gimp - 453 (std internals and sports cat but with 5/7% meth on V Power)
DaOne - 452 (v-power only)
Tempop1 451.4hp (2.5 conversion on v-power)
JD5217 - 451bhp (std internals 10% meth)
dave_garrett - 449 (MY05 2.5 cdb)
TX - 447/420 (UK 2.0 classic on T99) [372hp per ton ]
Anger - 437
B0DSKI - 425
555EFC - 420
dunx - 420 ( guessing, but it's quicker than when it ONLY had 390...)
F4la (john) - 410 on 25% meth
DANSSTI - 400
Shaun - 398 (VPower - MY06 JDM STI)
happydude303/ 390hp 365ft 2.0 classic wrx v power/20g
botb - 380
Wurzel - 370
johnfelstead - 370ish MY05 JDM STi (considerably faster than that lot in the twisties ^^^^^ and that lot too vvvvvv )
Carlh - 365
Mifo - 362 Spec C
Aladdin - (690hp Nissan Pulsar GTi-R) (400/400 Type R) & Now a 360hp S202
shagy1 = 360hp/370lbft (wrx inport )
Mystery_Machine - 352 (But has been seen to do 372)
LEO-TERZO - 350
EmzWRX - 349.5
Rickya - 345 (Spec C on Vpower)
rallychick - 345 (standard 95 wrx with bolt on's)
Bicco - 343
Tidgy - 341.4 (fund a different graph lol)
ScoobySteve69 - 340
ScoobyL - 340
badman1972 - 340
Arronb - 340/345 (laptop calc for my MY08 STI, must get it the rollers)
wrx fifer - 338.5 more next year!
paulwrxboro - 338 decat and filter (RS focus)
Richie - 334
GAZ2293 - 332/329 (V7 wrx)
mrfastbaz - 320
jdc1 - 319.6
Curtiz - 312
TonyBurns - 310@5570 (poorly car due to neutral pos switch being faulty)
Camoscooby - 310 (but not for long!)
Steve777 - 306
rapid.STI - 305 (Sti7 Prodrive)
Pimmo2000 - 302
Saint AAI - 301.5 (T2000)
Moley_WRX - 301 (in theory)
AndytheJock - 301 (in practice)
badman1972 (missus car) - 300
rogos - 295hp/251lbft (shell v-power + millers cvl turbo)
huntmartyn - 288hp/289tq ( wrx with 2.5 bottom end )
95turbowagon - 285/268 (Bug WRX)
Suberman - 276 (Spec C 280ps as per Japan's spec sheet)
JonMc - 270 (Fiestaboy estimate)
rapid.STI - 240 (UK Turbo Wagon)
Myles - 218 (on a good day!)
Allan - 45 (Smart Fortwo) std internals, sorry no graph to prove.
Frayz = Zero (currently)
G.Mac = Zero (looking forward to moving it up the list in a few month
dave_garrett = zero (type r undergoing Version 8 transplant)
si2000 = Zero (untill late spring 2011)
2 STi Singh - 735.1Bhp (V3 RA, 2.35 & GT40)
3 Mike Latimer - 701bhp 610ftlb 2.35 on race fuel gt35r Billet, 2 bar boost, Ver 6 heads with LP cams (still going strong after 8000+ miles) Home Built
4 MAD Hammer - Drag car 682bhp
5 Simon Jolly Green Monster - 665bhp 2.1bar on race fuel 2.35 gt35R
6 Stew TFS Racing - 650.1bhp
7 bigarf - 650 (Currently the highest powered 2.1 in the UK to our knowledge)
vpower + 20%meth @ 2bar.built by enginetuner and still going strong.
8 andyscoobym3 -638bhp (2.5cdb,20%meth,2.2bar,t04z, 603 on v power)
9 Fai17 - 627
10 Banny - 620 (2.5 CDB)
11 Fiestaboy - 617 (Race Fuel)
12 badbird - 604 (V power only)
13 Martynj - 558.4bhp on Race Fuel
14 stevebt - 550 old figure so new one will be in a couple of weeks
15 Screechy - 528 (10% methanol)
16 Banny - 523
17 pugsleygti - 517 (15%meth)
18 TimHardisty - 2.5l, modified LM480 twin entry, 1.7bar, 516bhp, Vpower+10% meth see graph
19 MAD Hammer - Type R 509/441 (20% Meth)
20 Andy97 - 502 20% E85
21 Billsandhu - 490 (Vpower/Tesco's99)
22 fixup1982 - 485bhp/440lb (v-power / water-meth injection classic)
23 kiranbaloo - 481
24 Fat Boy - 480ish (P1 on V power)
25 Carpboy - 477
26 F11 SYS - 467 (Type R on V power)
27 Steve Whitehorn - 465ish (lightened classic - V power)
28 MelTypeR - 461 (Litchfield LM450 Spec C on v-power only)
Stevesbluewrx/The Gimp - 453 (std internals and sports cat but with 5/7% meth on V Power)
DaOne - 452 (v-power only)
Tempop1 451.4hp (2.5 conversion on v-power)
JD5217 - 451bhp (std internals 10% meth)
dave_garrett - 449 (MY05 2.5 cdb)
TX - 447/420 (UK 2.0 classic on T99) [372hp per ton ]
Anger - 437
B0DSKI - 425
555EFC - 420
dunx - 420 ( guessing, but it's quicker than when it ONLY had 390...)
F4la (john) - 410 on 25% meth
DANSSTI - 400
Shaun - 398 (VPower - MY06 JDM STI)
happydude303/ 390hp 365ft 2.0 classic wrx v power/20g
botb - 380
Wurzel - 370
johnfelstead - 370ish MY05 JDM STi (considerably faster than that lot in the twisties ^^^^^ and that lot too vvvvvv )
Carlh - 365
Mifo - 362 Spec C
Aladdin - (690hp Nissan Pulsar GTi-R) (400/400 Type R) & Now a 360hp S202
shagy1 = 360hp/370lbft (wrx inport )
Mystery_Machine - 352 (But has been seen to do 372)
LEO-TERZO - 350
EmzWRX - 349.5
Rickya - 345 (Spec C on Vpower)
rallychick - 345 (standard 95 wrx with bolt on's)
Bicco - 343
Tidgy - 341.4 (fund a different graph lol)
ScoobySteve69 - 340
ScoobyL - 340
badman1972 - 340
Arronb - 340/345 (laptop calc for my MY08 STI, must get it the rollers)
wrx fifer - 338.5 more next year!
paulwrxboro - 338 decat and filter (RS focus)
Richie - 334
GAZ2293 - 332/329 (V7 wrx)
mrfastbaz - 320
jdc1 - 319.6
Curtiz - 312
TonyBurns - 310@5570 (poorly car due to neutral pos switch being faulty)
Camoscooby - 310 (but not for long!)
Steve777 - 306
rapid.STI - 305 (Sti7 Prodrive)
Pimmo2000 - 302
Saint AAI - 301.5 (T2000)
Moley_WRX - 301 (in theory)
AndytheJock - 301 (in practice)
badman1972 (missus car) - 300
rogos - 295hp/251lbft (shell v-power + millers cvl turbo)
huntmartyn - 288hp/289tq ( wrx with 2.5 bottom end )
95turbowagon - 285/268 (Bug WRX)
Suberman - 276 (Spec C 280ps as per Japan's spec sheet)
JonMc - 270 (Fiestaboy estimate)
rapid.STI - 240 (UK Turbo Wagon)
Myles - 218 (on a good day!)
Allan - 45 (Smart Fortwo) std internals, sorry no graph to prove.
Frayz = Zero (currently)
G.Mac = Zero (looking forward to moving it up the list in a few month
dave_garrett = zero (type r undergoing Version 8 transplant)
si2000 = Zero (untill late spring 2011)
Bugger, I seem to be like a Thai hooker going further and further down at the moment.
I make me 29th on the leader board. D'oh!!!
How many of these cars are everyday chuckle brother machines though?
Steve
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29 December 2010, 10:11 AM
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I am always curious to know how long high BHP engines last.
It would be useful if there was something in the brackets to indicate if the car is used every day or just comes out to play once in a while.
Also how many miles per week they average. I think this type of info is extremely valuable to those who are learning about how to up the power.
We can get some idea of the durability of certain parts, any weaknesses etc.
It would be nice to know what parts fail and why.
Sorry chaps, just tell me to bugger off.
29 December 2010, 10:24 AM
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I agree.
I am always curious to know how long high BHP engines last.
It would be useful if there was something in the brackets to indicate if the car is used every day or just comes out to play once in a while.
Also how many miles per week they average. I think this type of info is extremely valuable to those who are learning about how to up the power.
We can get some idea of the durability of certain parts, any weaknesses etc.
It would be nice to know what parts fail and why.
Sorry chaps, just tell me to bugger off.
I am always curious to know how long high BHP engines last.
It would be useful if there was something in the brackets to indicate if the car is used every day or just comes out to play once in a while.
Also how many miles per week they average. I think this type of info is extremely valuable to those who are learning about how to up the power.
We can get some idea of the durability of certain parts, any weaknesses etc.
It would be nice to know what parts fail and why.
Sorry chaps, just tell me to bugger off.
16 Banny - 523bhp GT30R 0.82 a/r 2bar sti 8 internals, sti 3 heads and 15%meth, driven everyday covers roughly 200 miles a week.
29 December 2010, 10:36 AM
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I agree.
I am always curious to know how long high BHP engines last.
It would be useful if there was something in the brackets to indicate if the car is used every day or just comes out to play once in a while.
Also how many miles per week they average. I think this type of info is extremely valuable to those who are learning about how to up the power.
We can get some idea of the durability of certain parts, any weaknesses etc.
It would be nice to know what parts fail and why.
Sorry chaps, just tell me to bugger off.
I am always curious to know how long high BHP engines last.
It would be useful if there was something in the brackets to indicate if the car is used every day or just comes out to play once in a while.
Also how many miles per week they average. I think this type of info is extremely valuable to those who are learning about how to up the power.
We can get some idea of the durability of certain parts, any weaknesses etc.
It would be nice to know what parts fail and why.
Sorry chaps, just tell me to bugger off.
Also you done spend time, effort and money on a car and record current mileage and time at that power necessarily.
Simon
29 December 2010, 11:02 AM
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IMHO the mapping is superb, it just pulls from idle to the red-line in one huge "shove". I'm a fan.
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29 December 2010, 11:17 AM
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I bet if you were to drive the car, you might have a different perception of things. I have driven that car quite a bit and as Arf quite rightly pointed out, it doesn't feel at all laggy considering it's engine capacity.
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1 Mike Latimer - 750bhp 560ftlb 2.35 on race fuel gt35r Billet, 2.25 bar boost, VECS heads Cosworth cams (Did not last too well 3 track days and 4500 Miles, to be investgated maby user error that broke it.) (Made 701 on V power too) Home Built
2 STi Singh - 735.1Bhp (V3 RA, 2.35 & GT40)
3 Mike Latimer - 701bhp 610ftlb 2.35 on race fuel gt35r Billet, 2 bar boost, Ver 6 heads with LP cams (still going strong after 8000+ miles) Home Built
4 MAD Hammer - Drag car 682bhp
5 Simon Jolly Green Monster - 665bhp 2.1bar on race fuel 2.35 gt35R
6 Stew TFS Racing - 650.1bhp
7 bigarf - 650 (Currently the highest powered 2.1 in the UK to our knowledge)
vpower + 20%meth @ 2bar.built by enginetuner and still going strong.
8 andyscoobym3 -638bhp (2.5cdb,20%meth,2.2bar,t04z, 603 on v power)
9 Fai17 - 627
10 Banny - 620 (2.5 CDB)
11 Fiestaboy - 617 (Race Fuel)
12 badbird - 604 (V power only)
13 Martynj - 558.4bhp on Race Fuel
14 stevebt - 550 old figure so new one will be in a couple of weeks
15 Screechy - 528 (10% methanol)
16 Banny - 523
17 pugsleygti - 517 (15%meth)
18 TimHardisty - 2.5l, modified LM480 twin entry, 1.7bar, 516bhp, Vpower+10% meth see graph
19 MAD Hammer - Type R 509/441 (20% Meth)
20 Andy97 - 502 20% E85
21 Billsandhu - 490 (Vpower/Tesco's99)
22 fixup1982 - 485bhp/440lb (v-power / water-meth injection classic)
23 kiranbaloo - 481
24 Fat Boy - 480ish (P1 on V power)
25 Carpboy - 477
26 F11 SYS - 467 (Type R on V power)
27 Steve Whitehorn - 465ish (lightened classic - V power)
28 MelTypeR - 461 (Litchfield LM450 Spec C on v-power only)
Stevesbluewrx/The Gimp - 453 (std internals and sports cat but with 5/7% meth on V Power)
DaOne - 452 (v-power only)
Tempop1 451.4hp (2.5 conversion on v-power)
JD5217 - 451bhp (std internals 10% meth)
dave_garrett - 449 (MY05 2.5 cdb)
TX - 447/420 (UK 2.0 classic on T99) [372hp per ton ]
Anger - 437
BURNS - 427 bhp Built 2.5
B0DSKI - 425
555EFC - 420
dunx - 420 ( guessing, but it's quicker than when it ONLY had 390...)
F4la (john) - 410 on 25% meth
DANSSTI - 400
Shaun - 398 (VPower - MY06 JDM STI)
happydude303/ 390hp 365ft 2.0 classic wrx v power/20g
botb - 380
Wurzel - 370
johnfelstead - 370ish MY05 JDM STi (considerably faster than that lot in the twisties ^^^^^ and that lot too vvvvvv )
Carlh - 365
Mifo - 362 Spec C
Aladdin - (690hp Nissan Pulsar GTi-R) (400/400 Type R) & Now a 360hp S202
shagy1 = 360hp/370lbft (wrx inport )
Mystery_Machine - 352 (But has been seen to do 372)
LEO-TERZO - 350
EmzWRX - 349.5
Rickya - 345 (Spec C on Vpower)
rallychick - 345 (standard 95 wrx with bolt on's)
Bicco - 343
Tidgy - 341.4 (fund a different graph lol)
ScoobySteve69 - 340
ScoobyL - 340
badman1972 - 340
Arronb - 340/345 (laptop calc for my MY08 STI, must get it the rollers)
wrx fifer - 338.5 more next year!
paulwrxboro - 338 decat and filter (RS focus)
Richie - 334
GAZ2293 - 332/329 (V7 wrx)
mrfastbaz - 320
jdc1 - 319.6
Curtiz - 312
TonyBurns - 310@5570 (poorly car due to neutral pos switch being faulty)
Camoscooby - 310 (but not for long!)
Steve777 - 306
rapid.STI - 305 (Sti7 Prodrive)
Pimmo2000 - 302
Saint AAI - 301.5 (T2000)
Moley_WRX - 301 (in theory)
AndytheJock - 301 (in practice)
badman1972 (missus car) - 300
rogos - 295hp/251lbft (shell v-power + millers cvl turbo)
huntmartyn - 288hp/289tq ( wrx with 2.5 bottom end )
95turbowagon - 285/268 (Bug WRX)
Suberman - 276 (Spec C 280ps as per Japan's spec sheet)
JonMc - 270 (Fiestaboy estimate)
rapid.STI - 240 (UK Turbo Wagon)
Myles - 218 (on a good day!)
Allan - 45 (Smart Fortwo) std internals, sorry no graph to prove.
Frayz = Zero (currently)
G.Mac = Zero (looking forward to moving it up the list in a few month
dave_garrett = zero (type r undergoing Version 8 transplant)
si2000 = Zero (untill late spring 2011)
2 STi Singh - 735.1Bhp (V3 RA, 2.35 & GT40)
3 Mike Latimer - 701bhp 610ftlb 2.35 on race fuel gt35r Billet, 2 bar boost, Ver 6 heads with LP cams (still going strong after 8000+ miles) Home Built
4 MAD Hammer - Drag car 682bhp
5 Simon Jolly Green Monster - 665bhp 2.1bar on race fuel 2.35 gt35R
6 Stew TFS Racing - 650.1bhp
7 bigarf - 650 (Currently the highest powered 2.1 in the UK to our knowledge)
vpower + 20%meth @ 2bar.built by enginetuner and still going strong.
8 andyscoobym3 -638bhp (2.5cdb,20%meth,2.2bar,t04z, 603 on v power)
9 Fai17 - 627
10 Banny - 620 (2.5 CDB)
11 Fiestaboy - 617 (Race Fuel)
12 badbird - 604 (V power only)
13 Martynj - 558.4bhp on Race Fuel
14 stevebt - 550 old figure so new one will be in a couple of weeks
15 Screechy - 528 (10% methanol)
16 Banny - 523
17 pugsleygti - 517 (15%meth)
18 TimHardisty - 2.5l, modified LM480 twin entry, 1.7bar, 516bhp, Vpower+10% meth see graph
19 MAD Hammer - Type R 509/441 (20% Meth)
20 Andy97 - 502 20% E85
21 Billsandhu - 490 (Vpower/Tesco's99)
22 fixup1982 - 485bhp/440lb (v-power / water-meth injection classic)
23 kiranbaloo - 481
24 Fat Boy - 480ish (P1 on V power)
25 Carpboy - 477
26 F11 SYS - 467 (Type R on V power)
27 Steve Whitehorn - 465ish (lightened classic - V power)
28 MelTypeR - 461 (Litchfield LM450 Spec C on v-power only)
Stevesbluewrx/The Gimp - 453 (std internals and sports cat but with 5/7% meth on V Power)
DaOne - 452 (v-power only)
Tempop1 451.4hp (2.5 conversion on v-power)
JD5217 - 451bhp (std internals 10% meth)
dave_garrett - 449 (MY05 2.5 cdb)
TX - 447/420 (UK 2.0 classic on T99) [372hp per ton ]
Anger - 437
BURNS - 427 bhp Built 2.5
B0DSKI - 425
555EFC - 420
dunx - 420 ( guessing, but it's quicker than when it ONLY had 390...)
F4la (john) - 410 on 25% meth
DANSSTI - 400
Shaun - 398 (VPower - MY06 JDM STI)
happydude303/ 390hp 365ft 2.0 classic wrx v power/20g
botb - 380
Wurzel - 370
johnfelstead - 370ish MY05 JDM STi (considerably faster than that lot in the twisties ^^^^^ and that lot too vvvvvv )
Carlh - 365
Mifo - 362 Spec C
Aladdin - (690hp Nissan Pulsar GTi-R) (400/400 Type R) & Now a 360hp S202
shagy1 = 360hp/370lbft (wrx inport )
Mystery_Machine - 352 (But has been seen to do 372)
LEO-TERZO - 350
EmzWRX - 349.5
Rickya - 345 (Spec C on Vpower)
rallychick - 345 (standard 95 wrx with bolt on's)
Bicco - 343
Tidgy - 341.4 (fund a different graph lol)
ScoobySteve69 - 340
ScoobyL - 340
badman1972 - 340
Arronb - 340/345 (laptop calc for my MY08 STI, must get it the rollers)
wrx fifer - 338.5 more next year!
paulwrxboro - 338 decat and filter (RS focus)
Richie - 334
GAZ2293 - 332/329 (V7 wrx)
mrfastbaz - 320
jdc1 - 319.6
Curtiz - 312
TonyBurns - 310@5570 (poorly car due to neutral pos switch being faulty)
Camoscooby - 310 (but not for long!)
Steve777 - 306
rapid.STI - 305 (Sti7 Prodrive)
Pimmo2000 - 302
Saint AAI - 301.5 (T2000)
Moley_WRX - 301 (in theory)
AndytheJock - 301 (in practice)
badman1972 (missus car) - 300
rogos - 295hp/251lbft (shell v-power + millers cvl turbo)
huntmartyn - 288hp/289tq ( wrx with 2.5 bottom end )
95turbowagon - 285/268 (Bug WRX)
Suberman - 276 (Spec C 280ps as per Japan's spec sheet)
JonMc - 270 (Fiestaboy estimate)
rapid.STI - 240 (UK Turbo Wagon)
Myles - 218 (on a good day!)
Allan - 45 (Smart Fortwo) std internals, sorry no graph to prove.
Frayz = Zero (currently)
G.Mac = Zero (looking forward to moving it up the list in a few month
dave_garrett = zero (type r undergoing Version 8 transplant)
si2000 = Zero (untill late spring 2011)
29 December 2010, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike L 
1 Mike Latimer - 750bhp 560ftlb 2.35 on race fuel gt35r Billet, 2.25 bar boost, VECS heads Cosworth cams (Did not last too well 3 track days and 4500 Miles, to be investgated maby user error that broke it.) (Made 701 on V power too) Home Built
2 STi Singh - 735.1Bhp (V3 RA, 2.35 & GT40)
3 Mike Latimer - 701bhp 610ftlb 2.35 on race fuel gt35r Billet, 2 bar boost, Ver 6 heads with LP cams (still going strong after 8000+ miles) Home Built
4 MAD Hammer - Drag car 682bhp
5 Simon Jolly Green Monster - 665bhp 2.1bar on race fuel 2.35 gt35R
6 Stew TFS Racing - 650.1bhp
7 bigarf - 650 (Currently the highest powered 2.1 in the UK to our knowledge)
vpower + 20%meth @ 2bar.built by enginetuner and still going strong.
8 andyscoobym3 -638bhp (2.5cdb,20%meth,2.2bar,t04z, 603 on v power)
9 Fai17 - 627
10 Banny - 620 (2.5 CDB)
11 Fiestaboy - 617 (Race Fuel)
12 badbird - 604 (V power only)
13 Martynj - 558.4bhp on Race Fuel
14 stevebt - 550 old figure so new one will be in a couple of weeks
15 Screechy - 528 (10% methanol)
16 Banny - 523
17 pugsleygti - 517 (15%meth)
18 TimHardisty - 2.5l, modified LM480 twin entry, 1.7bar, 516bhp, Vpower+10% meth see graph
19 MAD Hammer - Type R 509/441 (20% Meth)
20 Andy97 - 502 20% E85
21 Billsandhu - 490 (Vpower/Tesco's99)
22 fixup1982 - 485bhp/440lb (v-power / water-meth injection classic)
23 kiranbaloo - 481
24 Fat Boy - 480ish (P1 on V power)
25 Carpboy - 477
26 F11 SYS - 467 (Type R on V power)
27 Steve Whitehorn - 465ish (lightened classic - V power)
28 MelTypeR - 461 (Litchfield LM450 Spec C on v-power only)
Stevesbluewrx/The Gimp - 453 (std internals and sports cat but with 5/7% meth on V Power)
DaOne - 452 (v-power only)
Tempop1 451.4hp (2.5 conversion on v-power)
JD5217 - 451bhp (std internals 10% meth)
dave_garrett - 449 (MY05 2.5 cdb)
TX - 447/420 (UK 2.0 classic on T99) [372hp per ton ]
Anger - 437
B0DSKI - 425
555EFC - 420
dunx - 420 ( guessing, but it's quicker than when it ONLY had 390...)
F4la (john) - 410 on 25% meth
DANSSTI - 400
Shaun - 398 (VPower - MY06 JDM STI)
happydude303/ 390hp 365ft 2.0 classic wrx v power/20g
botb - 380
Wurzel - 370
johnfelstead - 370ish MY05 JDM STi (considerably faster than that lot in the twisties ^^^^^ and that lot too vvvvvv )
Carlh - 365
Mifo - 362 Spec C
Aladdin - (690hp Nissan Pulsar GTi-R) (400/400 Type R) & Now a 360hp S202
shagy1 = 360hp/370lbft (wrx inport )
Mystery_Machine - 352 (But has been seen to do 372)
LEO-TERZO - 350
EmzWRX - 349.5
Rickya - 345 (Spec C on Vpower)
rallychick - 345 (standard 95 wrx with bolt on's)
Bicco - 343
Tidgy - 341.4 (fund a different graph lol)
ScoobySteve69 - 340
ScoobyL - 340
badman1972 - 340
Arronb - 340/345 (laptop calc for my MY08 STI, must get it the rollers)
wrx fifer - 338.5 more next year!
paulwrxboro - 338 decat and filter (RS focus)
Richie - 334
GAZ2293 - 332/329 (V7 wrx)
Steveyman-332
mrfastbaz - 320
jdc1 - 319.6
Curtiz - 312
TonyBurns - 310@5570 (poorly car due to neutral pos switch being faulty)
Camoscooby - 310 (but not for long!)
Steve777 - 306
rapid.STI - 305 (Sti7 Prodrive)
Pimmo2000 - 302
Saint AAI - 301.5 (T2000)
Moley_WRX - 301 (in theory)
AndytheJock - 301 (in practice)
badman1972 (missus car) - 300
rogos - 295hp/251lbft (shell v-power + millers cvl turbo)
huntmartyn - 288hp/289tq ( wrx with 2.5 bottom end )
95turbowagon - 285/268 (Bug WRX)
Suberman - 276 (Spec C 280ps as per Japan's spec sheet)
JonMc - 270 (Fiestaboy estimate)
rapid.STI - 240 (UK Turbo Wagon)
Myles - 218 (on a good day!)
Allan - 45 (Smart Fortwo) std internals, sorry no graph to prove.
Frayz = Zero (currently)
G.Mac = Zero (looking forward to moving it up the list in a few month
dave_garrett = zero (type r undergoing Version 8 transplant)
si2000 = Zero (untill late spring 2011)
1 Mike Latimer - 750bhp 560ftlb 2.35 on race fuel gt35r Billet, 2.25 bar boost, VECS heads Cosworth cams (Did not last too well 3 track days and 4500 Miles, to be investgated maby user error that broke it.) (Made 701 on V power too) Home Built
2 STi Singh - 735.1Bhp (V3 RA, 2.35 & GT40)
3 Mike Latimer - 701bhp 610ftlb 2.35 on race fuel gt35r Billet, 2 bar boost, Ver 6 heads with LP cams (still going strong after 8000+ miles) Home Built
4 MAD Hammer - Drag car 682bhp
5 Simon Jolly Green Monster - 665bhp 2.1bar on race fuel 2.35 gt35R
6 Stew TFS Racing - 650.1bhp
7 bigarf - 650 (Currently the highest powered 2.1 in the UK to our knowledge)
vpower + 20%meth @ 2bar.built by enginetuner and still going strong.
8 andyscoobym3 -638bhp (2.5cdb,20%meth,2.2bar,t04z, 603 on v power)
9 Fai17 - 627
10 Banny - 620 (2.5 CDB)
11 Fiestaboy - 617 (Race Fuel)
12 badbird - 604 (V power only)
13 Martynj - 558.4bhp on Race Fuel
14 stevebt - 550 old figure so new one will be in a couple of weeks
15 Screechy - 528 (10% methanol)
16 Banny - 523
17 pugsleygti - 517 (15%meth)
18 TimHardisty - 2.5l, modified LM480 twin entry, 1.7bar, 516bhp, Vpower+10% meth see graph
19 MAD Hammer - Type R 509/441 (20% Meth)
20 Andy97 - 502 20% E85
21 Billsandhu - 490 (Vpower/Tesco's99)
22 fixup1982 - 485bhp/440lb (v-power / water-meth injection classic)
23 kiranbaloo - 481
24 Fat Boy - 480ish (P1 on V power)
25 Carpboy - 477
26 F11 SYS - 467 (Type R on V power)
27 Steve Whitehorn - 465ish (lightened classic - V power)
28 MelTypeR - 461 (Litchfield LM450 Spec C on v-power only)
Stevesbluewrx/The Gimp - 453 (std internals and sports cat but with 5/7% meth on V Power)
DaOne - 452 (v-power only)
Tempop1 451.4hp (2.5 conversion on v-power)
JD5217 - 451bhp (std internals 10% meth)
dave_garrett - 449 (MY05 2.5 cdb)
TX - 447/420 (UK 2.0 classic on T99) [372hp per ton ]
Anger - 437
B0DSKI - 425
555EFC - 420
dunx - 420 ( guessing, but it's quicker than when it ONLY had 390...)
F4la (john) - 410 on 25% meth
DANSSTI - 400
Shaun - 398 (VPower - MY06 JDM STI)
happydude303/ 390hp 365ft 2.0 classic wrx v power/20g
botb - 380
Wurzel - 370
johnfelstead - 370ish MY05 JDM STi (considerably faster than that lot in the twisties ^^^^^ and that lot too vvvvvv )
Carlh - 365
Mifo - 362 Spec C
Aladdin - (690hp Nissan Pulsar GTi-R) (400/400 Type R) & Now a 360hp S202
shagy1 = 360hp/370lbft (wrx inport )
Mystery_Machine - 352 (But has been seen to do 372)
LEO-TERZO - 350
EmzWRX - 349.5
Rickya - 345 (Spec C on Vpower)
rallychick - 345 (standard 95 wrx with bolt on's)
Bicco - 343
Tidgy - 341.4 (fund a different graph lol)
ScoobySteve69 - 340
ScoobyL - 340
badman1972 - 340
Arronb - 340/345 (laptop calc for my MY08 STI, must get it the rollers)
wrx fifer - 338.5 more next year!
paulwrxboro - 338 decat and filter (RS focus)
Richie - 334
GAZ2293 - 332/329 (V7 wrx)
Steveyman-332
mrfastbaz - 320
jdc1 - 319.6
Curtiz - 312
TonyBurns - 310@5570 (poorly car due to neutral pos switch being faulty)
Camoscooby - 310 (but not for long!)
Steve777 - 306
rapid.STI - 305 (Sti7 Prodrive)
Pimmo2000 - 302
Saint AAI - 301.5 (T2000)
Moley_WRX - 301 (in theory)
AndytheJock - 301 (in practice)
badman1972 (missus car) - 300
rogos - 295hp/251lbft (shell v-power + millers cvl turbo)
huntmartyn - 288hp/289tq ( wrx with 2.5 bottom end )
95turbowagon - 285/268 (Bug WRX)
Suberman - 276 (Spec C 280ps as per Japan's spec sheet)
JonMc - 270 (Fiestaboy estimate)
rapid.STI - 240 (UK Turbo Wagon)
Myles - 218 (on a good day!)
Allan - 45 (Smart Fortwo) std internals, sorry no graph to prove.
Frayz = Zero (currently)
G.Mac = Zero (looking forward to moving it up the list in a few month
dave_garrett = zero (type r undergoing Version 8 transplant)
si2000 = Zero (untill late spring 2011)
29 December 2010, 02:22 PM
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sorry my mistake,yes it has been down the strip at scoobyshootout.but as you could bairly see the tarmac for water i spent more time spinning around on the grass than actually going in a staight line,will get a proper run when the weather permits.as for full boost at 3800rpm in 6th steve,arnt you still on the jdm gearing.
If I had a UK gearbox wouldn't it mean I was on full boost earlier
I finally took the car out for a little spin, it pulls really well thru the gears and 3rd thru to 4th is nice and you can really feel the cams coming in on this engine at around 5k rpm. I didn't have any space to go thru the gears properly into 5th gear but the change from 3rd to 4th adds a nice little wiggle so looking forward to proper power earlier next year
29 December 2010, 03:04 PM
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To be perfectly fair, you appear to have made a common error which I didn't expect from someone of your many years experience. You have judged spool purely from a dyno graph and not actually driven the car yourself.
I bet if you were to drive the car, you might have a different perception of things. I have driven that car quite a bit and as Arf quite rightly pointed out, it doesn't feel at all laggy considering it's engine capacity.
I bet if you were to drive the car, you might have a different perception of things. I have driven that car quite a bit and as Arf quite rightly pointed out, it doesn't feel at all laggy considering it's engine capacity.
Do me a favour, when your next at the dyno pc, pull up the above graph and compare it to your high powered 2.5's, and post the graph. Make sure the scaling starts from 2000rpm on the horizontal axis. That should show what i am getting at.
I havent questioned anything to do with the mapping or build, just stated that it "appears" laggy. Yes granted it may still have more power/torque at 4500rpm than most cars, but a lot of similar powered cars dont have such a narrow power band IMO. This just means you have to "drive" the car more to get the benefit of it.
I am perfectly aware that most cars spool better on the road, than on the dyno, and i am sure if sat in either seat, the car will feel quick, all be it delivered in a different manner to some of the other cars around it on the leader board.
Arf, if you are happy with it, which you clearly are, and it suits your driving style, then cool
, thats all that matters, but i never questioned that.Mike, you and i are in the same position, its all self taught and not the day job that pays the bills. However it is done as a business these days, as i would rather be legitimate than not.
Dont know what size the wheel is, its Marks spec, and the turbo belongs to David Wallis. Never asked what the precise spec it is, just enjoyed the way it worked.
I would love to see what the banana would do. We all know it made over 700 on Zens dyno 18months ago. That was at 2.15 bar at just over 7000rpm when the rollers maxed out on their speed. Its never been on the dyno since. It's stood up to some serious abuse this year, but only just IMO. I think it finished Snetterton having just done a 15/20 minute session at 2.5bar plus nitrous.
29 December 2010, 03:22 PM
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Very difficult to quantify though as someone could do a 1000miles a month going backwards and forward to work in traffic and give the care far less stress than one track day, yet the track day cars only done 100miles etc.
Also you done spend time, effort and money on a car and record current mileage and time at that power necessarily.
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Also you done spend time, effort and money on a car and record current mileage and time at that power necessarily.
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29 December 2010, 03:24 PM
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I suppose it would still be interesting to know which parts tend to fail and in which order when increasing the horse power.
The reason I mention it is because when I bought my first Imprza I was completely naive and had a heck of alot to learn. 5 years later there is still loads I dont know.
The reason I mention it is because when I bought my first Imprza I was completely naive and had a heck of alot to learn. 5 years later there is still loads I dont know.
29 December 2010, 03:38 PM
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The graph scaling makes it look a lot better than it would compared to say one of your high power 2.5's that you keep putting up.
Yes, Arf's previous 2.5 made massive torque early on, but couldn't rev to >8000 rpm ( safely ! ), but it didn't last long... nor did it's replacement.
I havent questioned anything to do with the mapping or build, just stated that it "appears" laggy. Yes granted it may still have more power/torque at 4500rpm than most cars, but a lot of similar powered cars dont have such a narrow power band IMO. This just means you have to "drive" the car more to get the benefit of it.
I can confirm that it suits Arf's driving - maximum attack !
Arf, if you are happy with it, which you clearly are, and it suits your driving style, then cool, thats all that matters, but i never questioned that.
In a perfect world Arf would have a 2.35, just to fill-in some extra bottom end torque...
Yes, Arf's previous 2.5 made massive torque early on, but couldn't rev to >8000 rpm ( safely ! ), but it didn't last long... nor did it's replacement.
I havent questioned anything to do with the mapping or build, just stated that it "appears" laggy. Yes granted it may still have more power/torque at 4500rpm than most cars, but a lot of similar powered cars dont have such a narrow power band IMO. This just means you have to "drive" the car more to get the benefit of it.
I can confirm that it suits Arf's driving - maximum attack !
Arf, if you are happy with it, which you clearly are, and it suits your driving style, then cool
, thats all that matters, but i never questioned that.In a perfect world Arf would have a 2.35, just to fill-in some extra bottom end torque...
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29 December 2010, 03:52 PM
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Martyn, as someone with, as you say, some experience, i was scanning through the thread last night, having not read it for a while, and initially started glancing at all the graphs that have been put up. Initial looks suggested it looked really good, which it will to the lay person out there, but on closer inspection, the graph scaling makes it look a lot better than it would compared to say one of your high power 2.5's that you keep putting up.
Do me a favour, when your next at the dyno pc, pull up the above graph and compare it to your high powered 2.5's, and post the graph. Make sure the scaling starts from 2000rpm on the horizontal axis. That should show what i am getting at.
I havent questioned anything to do with the mapping or build, just stated that it "appears" laggy. Yes granted it may still have more power/torque at 4500rpm than most cars, but a lot of similar powered cars dont have such a narrow power band IMO. This just means you have to "drive" the car more to get the benefit of it.
I am perfectly aware that most cars spool better on the road, than on the dyno, and i am sure if sat in either seat, the car will feel quick, all be it delivered in a different manner to some of the other cars around it on the leader board.
Do me a favour, when your next at the dyno pc, pull up the above graph and compare it to your high powered 2.5's, and post the graph. Make sure the scaling starts from 2000rpm on the horizontal axis. That should show what i am getting at.
I havent questioned anything to do with the mapping or build, just stated that it "appears" laggy. Yes granted it may still have more power/torque at 4500rpm than most cars, but a lot of similar powered cars dont have such a narrow power band IMO. This just means you have to "drive" the car more to get the benefit of it.
I am perfectly aware that most cars spool better on the road, than on the dyno, and i am sure if sat in either seat, the car will feel quick, all be it delivered in a different manner to some of the other cars around it on the leader board.
As I mentioned, Arfs car spools suprising well given the lack of cc's vs the size of the turbo. If you look at the graph below you will see an overlay of both his and the 2.5 we built on the same 35/42R hybrid turbo. Bare in mind of course that the 2.5 was running on Sunoco MAXNOS 119 octane race fuel vs Arfs 20% methanol mix. Arfs may well produce even more on the same 119 octane fuel.
I have started the graph a little earlier for you, but if I start it any earlier you will lose the top of the graph as they both rev fairly high and I like to keep a 500rpm gap across the page.
Doesn't appear to me to be that much in it on the same turbo.
Martyn
29 December 2010, 03:52 PM
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Useage/mileage is all relevant. My hatchback has 360 of each, and is incredibly easy to drive. Its done 20000 miles in 12 months, including a sprint day at Elvington, i am not a shy driver, but i am also not an idiot (been there done that and lucky to be sat here typing). It gets a lot of acceleration abuse from junctions and also over taking, it also spends a lot of time cruising at circa 80.
Sounds very durable, but IMO, some of the dedicated track cars like the Banana will have seen more abuse (time at the limit) this year alone in 5 Rounds of Time Attack than my hatchback will have this year.
Sounds very durable, but IMO, some of the dedicated track cars like the Banana will have seen more abuse (time at the limit) this year alone in 5 Rounds of Time Attack than my hatchback will have this year.
29 December 2010, 03:59 PM
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In a perfect world Arf would have a 2.35, just to fill-in some extra bottom end torque...
Send the man down m8 and we will sort him one out.
Send the man down m8 and we will sort him one out.