Frustrating as hell, as I have no problem with kids meeting and petting either of the dogs, but just the right way. Just not being allowed to grab out at them while their parents think it's funny.
I'm all for responsible dog ownership, but good parenting is a good thing too.

 

I agree, it's not about which kill or injure more people, it's about what ANY pet is capable of if the situation arises.

Ok, foxes and other animals with such shaped jaws CANNOT kill, fact?
Disagree with the sheep and lamp point fine, but don't drag the discussion off topic eh.

A collie could NOT have killed the child?

 

It will happen with all breeds at some point, but generally with bigger, more powerful one it will be worse, a Collie is a formiddable Dog and like any Dog can turn but generally they arent owned by knobbers and arent generally agressive.

 

Agree to a degree, but the reason and type of bite is a relevant factor too.
Interesting thing I read a while back too, that a reportable dog bite is decided on 4 puncture wounds being present. If the dog bits bit only 2 teeth pierce the skin in the bite it's not considered a reportable dog bite incident. Not sure if that has changed.

 

Did you know, that bull terriers have retractable legs, they can see through walls and can fly short distances due to the unique ear design... this is what makes them so dangerous

 

I always thought that Collies were somewhat psychotic. I've known two and they were both somewhat unpredicatable.

But as always it is down to the owner and the understanding that the person has for the dog. My (not so little) Yorkshire Terrier doesn't like people very much and will snap but adores children and actively seeks them out to play. Strange.

Steve

 

I can see i was right to call you a **** the other week

 

And IIRC i +1'd the comment




Yeah, very factual, for a troll.

 

He proves it time and again.

Just a troll looking to cause arguments.

 

Wrong... I mock the dimwits

 

You can call making yourself look like a fool whatever you like

 

these threads from now on should be called " another retarded owner thread" as it is always the same old. i doubt any of the "breed" haters will take any notice though.

 

There are so many points on this post that are just not right.

A dog biting another dog in frustration will rarely, if ever, draw blood. And even this it is usually incidental. We have dogs around the house/garden every day from different homes and this happens all the time. Dogs will snap at each other to establish dominance, but if a dog is biting to injure it will bite to injure which would seem to be the case with this poor boy.

A fox 'could' kill a sheep if it got lucky. I live on a farm and grew up in the country and I have NEVER heard of a fox killing a sheep or a farmer complaining about it. We have a bunch of sheep on our land which we rent to a shepherd and whilst they want to keep the fox away from new born lambs, sheep are another thing altogether.

Indeed if a fox got cornered by a lambing ewe my money is on the ewe not the fox.


Back to the original I would NEVER put children near a working collie. They are far too loyal/territorial and far too likely to try and violently assert dominance based on my interactions with them over the years.

 

Fair play Trout, given that you have replied with more than a laugh, I have to retract my statement re sheep, but other animals, smaller shall we say, are indeed prey.

With regards to the snapping at each other not drawing blood I would disagree though for a couple of reasons. 1 some dogs have looser coats, and somewhat thicker than humans simple skin, but they can still draw blood from a simple snap, as I have seen a number of times on my own 2, who actually you would think would be much harder to pierce the skin.

Also, having had an exchange with my male Mal over a bone when in no position to be dominant, and catching him unawares, with 3 fast " get off my food" strikes he pierced the skin twice. Minor, but I was fast to move and turn the situation unlike a child.

Returning to my point to ODDBOD, the point I was making is a smaller dog, with a more pointed jaw is just as capable of killing as other dogs. Yes the bite pressure might be different etc, but we are not taking about biting bones, we are talking skin trauma and bleeding, which even a collie can cause massive harm.

Main point we both agree on I think, dogs and unsupervised or poorly supervised kids are a bad mix.

 

One myth down, one to go... isn't learning fun!

 

It is indeed, and there is nothing shameful about learning something or being corrected, especially when the person uses words and experience.
Maybe that's something you will one day learn too, then we will both be richer for it.

 

I'd like to dogs banned or at least banned from public places such as parks etc.

It sounds radical but they are a nuisance.

 

Snazy - fair play - but I do think that a frustration snap will do exactly what you describe, perhaps a minor puncture. But that is different from the tearing, injury type bite you see on this child. Certainly from my perspective the two are quite far apart based on my observations of dogs together and dogs and people.

Trout

 

Snazy - fair play - but I do think that a frustration snap will do exactly what you describe, perhaps a minor puncture. But that is different from the tearing, injury type bite you see on this child. Certainly from my perspective the two are quite far apart based on my observations of dogs together and dogs and people.

Trout

 

Thinking about farmers. They will complain bitterly about the damage foxes do to their

Eggs
Hens
Ducks
Geese

etc.


And when it comes to sheep - domestic dogs are a far bigger problem for them than foxes.

 

Sorry TDW.
Do you want 'two' specific beeds banned, or do you want 'to' ban all dogs from public places?

 

Well I'd start with laws like Singapore have for now, but TBH I can't see the point of dogs anyway but realise a wholesale ban is probably infringing on freedoms too much.

 

Ah, a blanket ban, thats fine.

Thought for one moment you where being 'breedist'

 

The point? how about guide dogs, search and rescue dogs, sniffer dogs, sheep dogs, police dogs, hearing dogs?

 

I had one (a golden retriever guide dog) have a go at our boxer the other week, whilst walking through town.
The blind bloke on the other end didn't have a clue what was happening, (made me laugh, it's where my human decentcy met my sick soh) if he hadn't had someone with him i don't know what i would of done

 

I think this might be slightly unfair in this particular case , the animal afaik wasnt a 'killer' , the child unfortunately jus got slightly too close to an animal which had a job in mind



Id assumed a fox was only really a worry in lambing season , but anyway .
But decent sized dogs off the leash i know for sure are a farmers worst mightmare

When i was growing up we had a disused brickworks to roam backing on to public land next to the river with miles and miles of seawalls where people could set their beasts free .
But one way back to civilsation meant cuttting across a farmers field with sometimes ,sheep.

Farmer must have had enough cos one day we came across a carcass with guts out nailed to a post displaying his displeasure at people not keeping there animals under contol ,
it was there for weeks

 

Carcass of what? Sheep, dog or owner

 

Nah it was a sheeps !

Im not actually sure it was the remmants of a dog attack however or that he'd done it himself ( the farmer that is )

 

the rules/law has to apply to all dogs. the dangerous dogs act is not breed specific. if you have a dog, whatever breed, then you must be reponsible for it. it is after all an animal, so to just asume "he/she is harmless" is a tad naive imo. not having a pop, but i have an irish blue staffy and the amount of people that look down there nose at mine when out (always muzzled and on lead) annoys me. yes my dog does not like other dogs, but i am aware of this and am responsible with him at all times, as are other owners with theirs. mine when feeling threatened by a dog of equal size is "alert" yet if a little yorkie with big dog syndrome has a go he cacks himself.

 

Me being retarded and you being a special needs case, we may actually have something in common