Funkii Munkii

One thing is apparent F1 fans are so bloody fickle

Especially when it comes to commentating

I really cant see the issue with Legard, yeah he often misses stuff happening as does Brundle, the thing is they are concentrating on commentating whereas we are concentrating on watching, the commentary is "on in the back ground" if you get my drift and only becomes important when there is an incident of note, then I pay a little more attentipn to what they're saying. They dont have the same luxury we have of sitting back and enjoying the race.

Wish

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He just doenst know when to shut up ..... He kind of falls into over drive and starts spurting absolute bollocks.

And there is no need to scream information at me just because "Webber set purple sectors" on his feking out lap of the first "quali"

The mans a moron

StickyMicky

I thought you were allowed 1 "block" move per pass ?

Leslie

You are obviously so biased that you can't see the wood for the trees.

He is a good presenter. even if he is a bit of a "boy scout" at times. Contrary to what you say, he is intelligent and very knowledgeable about the job. He keeps his part of the programme moving well and is good at getting the best out of DC and EJ.

You are of course entitled to criticise, but you should at least get your facts right!

Les

GlesgaKiss

So in an ideal world Webber would have just given up his place in other words? I can't understand how this arguement is still going. What caused the crash was Vettel putting his car to the right and into Webber's; if he hadn't done that they wouldn't have touched and the resulting bump wouldn't have happened. That, to me, sums it up. Webber showed plenty of respect anyway. Yes there were high speeds involved, but they weren't 'too close' in my opinion... the cars are very precise and I can't imagine it takes a huge amount of skill to maintain a small gap like that on a straight without hitting each other. Certainly not for these drivers anyway. Vettel had all the room he needed, but for some reason made an erratic move to the right, which caused the crash.

EddScott

http://f1insiders.wordpress.com/2010...ettel-to-pass/

Do we think this is true?

Leslie

If it was it would be against the regulations surely. I did see somewhere that Horner was saying words to the effect that he thought Webber should give Vettel enough room to avoid a pileup. Whether that was passed on the radio or not I don't know. I got the impression that Horner was particularly upset that his drivers should have lost the team the points and a 2-1 finish by taking each other off! Understandable of course. I still don't understand Vettel's twirly finger signals as he walked away from his car. He must have been indicating that Webber was at fault, or himself!

Les

EddScott

If the story is true, then Vettel would have expected Mark to move over. Mark didn't move over and the crashed into each other. Vettel, thinking that Mark made a ***** up of the syncronised flying, made the twirly finger signal (it wasn't going to be waved in the air for first place or pole so the finger had to make an appearance somewhere)

Theres also the issue that Pilbeam should have said he wasn't prepared to tell Webber to move over. The fact that he didn't leads to him being ultimately responsible. What would have been the story had one of them been seriously injured.

AND if this is true RB can't say a thing because if they do say anything about Pilbeams actions then it indicates team orders which isn't allowed. Turning engines down to make your driver a sitting duck seems to be acceptable.

With careers in the balance, the boys try out for the Chuckle Brothers

Leslie

Yes maybe the Chuckle Brothers would be a good alternative career under the circumstances!

Les

RA Dunk

Just found this, not concerning Vettel or Webber but Lewis and Jenson.

You will need to register on the F1 site to watch the vid but it only takes 1 minute at most

I'm shocked that the news sites haven't even picked up on this piece of radio chatter yet. Anyway, Lewis was told to back off by the team, and at that time he actually asked the team "if I back off will Jenson try to pass me" to which McLaren said "no"

So Lewis did slow down thinking Jenson had been told not to pass him. But Jenson comes flying around the outside. It's featured on the offical F1 site in their highlights video of turkey towards the end.
http://www.formula1.com/video/?inptC=Tu ... ace%20Edit

If anyone wanted the absoulte truth as to why Lewis was slighty down after the race there it is. Jenson tried to **** him over by the looks of it..

P1Fanatic

Interesting link. And yes also suprised that hasnt been at the forefront. F1 gets more like politics with every race. Hopefully Jake & Co will discuss it this weekend.

Simon

Leslie

Certainly interesting as you say. If that is true and Button knew about it, Hamilton could have been justified in poking him in the eye!

Les

Nimbus

There was no intention of Jenson trying to **** Lewis over. It seems like there was a misuderstanding on what the two drivers were told..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewben...ltons_dis.html

In short..

RA Dunk

Certainly looked that way from the video on the F1 site.

Leslie

Right and left hand job again then! Too easy to misunderstand messages as well when you are in the car I imagine.

Les

P1Fanatic

To me that just reads as Bensons opinion. No hard fact to back that up. Tbh it is like politics as you never know who to believe. All this stuff about save fuel = code for team orders to hold position.

Simon

Milamber

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As ever this seems to be more of an issue with the denizens of scoobynet than it is with Webber or Vettel....... Webber has just re-signed with Red Bull for another year

P1Fanatic

Rumour has it they agreed another year with him if he kept his mouth shut

Simon

Milamber

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Funkii Munkii

By way of apology they gave him a new contract earlier than normal

Nimbus

Sounds like this is the actual explanation since Autosport are also reporting it as such.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84215

P1Fanatic

At the end of the day the only ones who will know what really happened is McLaren. Hopefully it is that straightforward and doesnt jeopardise the great relationship Lewis & Jenson seem to have.

Simon

chrisevo2000

Mate,I don't know if you know the meaning of "biased",because I cannot see,in what context you are talking about me being biased!
Biased towards who????
I just don't like him,or his presenting "skills".
He is not knowledgeable.He gets his info from google.He is a childrens tv reject.
How you can say he is knowledgeable is beyond me.
He didn't even know that there was more than 1 track,that was anti clock wise!
How he wangled himself into that job is beyond me.Must be doing it for free.
He is a cheeky ******* too,making snidey comments about people who have more skill,in their little fingers,than he could possibly wish for.
As for getting the best out of Eddie and DC.They know what they are talking about and don't need him chirping in,with his inane and naive questions,which frankly,are embarrassing.
Completely ruins it,for me.
Like you say,though,each to their own
Chris

Milamber

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...... and breathe...

chrisevo2000

Yes,it was a long rant,now that I have re read it
It was late!!!
Chris

f1_fan

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Team orders at McLaren???? tut tut

Leslie

It certainly was! but a long rant does not necessarily strengthen the argument.

Bias works in either direction, and after all that, if anyone is biased it is certainly you!

I think you are unfair with your criticism, he is not that bad. I think you have taken a dislike to his personality which affects your opinion of how he does the job. He is nothing like as bad as you say.

I personally think that we have not heard a better commentator all round than Murray Walker and James Hunt and Martin Brundle were/are also very good for the specialised support.

Legard is also knowlegeable but at the same time manages to be pretty irritating! Ted Kravitz also does a good job in the pits. He seems to get the relevant information pretty effectively.

I think the real question is, how well do you think you could do it?

My "rant" has covered 6 people and I could not make it any shorter!

Les

chrisevo2000

I personally think that we have not heard a better commentator all round than Murray Walker and James Hunt and Martin Brundle were/are also very good for the specialised support.


Les [/quote]

Ah,something we agree on!
(I also think I could do a great job,too!)
Chris

Leslie

Ah,something we agree on!
(I also think I could do a great job,too!)
Chris[/quote]

I look forward to seeing that, got to be worth a pint if you can reach those giddy heights!

Les

tathan

The main criticism I have of Legard is he falls too often into the James Allen TALK VERY MUCH VERY LOUDLY WITH NO REAL CONTENT BUT SAY IT QUICKLY AND GET IT ALL WRONG trap, eclipsing the far more interesting but subdued points from Brundle... imho obviously

Re Jake, he does an alright job I think. He's not employed for his punditry or insight, he's a presenter that ties together a platform for the experts to speak. Imagine life without him, there'd be no one to stop EJ's rants.