Christ, here we go again. You DO realise this is a crock of $hite now, don't you? For my information, which tabloid's propaganda are you using to form these "opinions"? The Mirror? Was it in The Sun? Because it sure as hell didn't come from the banking industry....

 

Can we ever go a whole thread without you harping on about your properties in Ladbroke Grove/Notting Hill and who much your mates at Foxtons have said they are worth? Its repititive, tedious and has absolutely NOTHING to do with this topic,

By the way, you may find your properties are in Ladbroke Grove and NOT Ladbrook Grove

 

LOL at all this Labut have ruined family values. they suyre as hell haven't helped, but I think you can lay the majority of the blame for that squarely at the door of Margaret Thatcher not that any of those posting on that direction on this thread could ever see that of course.

 

I pay an eyewatering amount of tax, and sure the selfish side of me would like to pay nothing, and stick 2 fingers up at the world.
But annoyingly we live in a civilised society where the sick need healing, children need educating, old people need looking after, and dare I say some people are just having a hard time need some support, what would you suggest we do with all these irritating spongers?

Answering with random question (and of course not answering at all) is your trick not mine. It's hard to answer a non-question BTW,

 

Benefits.. that's what this was about wasn't it??

There are so many issues in this country right now that need to be dealt with, and while they sort of go hand in hand, they can be addressed on their own to a point. You can't just say this is wrong too, in order to ignore a certain issue, or nothing will get done.

Benefits need a shake up. I don't for one second agree in wiping them out, but something needs done, not only to get the scrounging element back to work, but also to make it possible for those at a disadvantage to find work in a suitable field, and to get out of the situation of being better off not working.

In this day and age, nobody should be better off out of work, shaking up the system so a proportion isn't milking it dry as they can't be bothered to work, may well allow those who want to work be able to finacially cope.

As for disabled, if anyone wants to cut back on the amount there, get rid of fraudulant claims, but again, respect that you can't just cut benefits if there are no suitable roles to go into, this has to be very carefully thought out, not done quickly and without responsibility to look good to a certain element of society.

As for taking the **** in terms of benefits, there are many out there doing just that, I believe in fairness and support to the needy, but nobody be under the illusion that a fair few people are just lazy and think someone should give them a free ride.

 

 

 

That's a telling picture. So much energy is wasted discussing the nuances about which party will do this, do that, do the other, whereas in reality if you had the policies, such as they are, on a piece of paper and had to guess who they belonged to, you'd be just as likely to get it right as wrong.

Politics in the UK is little more than ideological posturing these days.

 

Not sure I agree, the basic destination is the same, max employment, strong NHS, excellent education system etc, it's the journey that is different. The Labour model under Brown is state interference, classic socialism, whereas the Tories believe in providing the individual with the means to get there. Look at the Labour policies and there will be subtle state control.

 

Well let's take the education system then, that's a good one. In what specific ways could i differentiate between the policies of the Tories and Labour?

 

Tel I'm not going to debate politics with you, it's a waste of both our time and there may be some new posts in the adult section that are better use of my time

 

Precisely my point

 

im on incapacity atm, does that make me scum? i dont live in a council house, i dont claim any other benifit but i was working up until i had to go on it, also im 24 and drive a subaru, so am i what you lot are talking about?

 

Not if your incapacity genuinely prevents you getting a job, no.


Next?

 

well depends if you think working short staffed with heavy objects needing moving, and tearing the muscle down your forearm, damaging the nerves to your fingers, and pulling your shoulder outta joint and tearing the muscle around the shoulder and pulling the ac joint out of line, to then be made redundant whilst still having treatment, and being replaced by a polish employee a genuine reason?

 

Sounds like you need the Citizens' Advice Bureau and the Health and Safety Executive in equal measure

 

Yeh i have got onto all that, but in the mean time im out of work, still having treatment and it all happened to my right arm/shoulder, and im right handed, and being that ive always been in the manual labour type of jobs, im trying to get my arm sorted, an get the strength back in my arm, and grip in my hand. but until then i am on benefit, so do people suggest they are cut, and because im young i should be left to starve? Not everyone is a sponger

 

No, few if any people are saying incapacity benefit should be cut indiscriminately. As i mentioned, it's the ones who claim when in fact they're fit to work that the Tories are looking to target, and few would argue with that. So not you.

 

Yeh and i know of people myself that claim for things that they have nothing wrong with, like bad back yet see them in there garden making a gazeebo using telegraph poles cut in half for posts, all built themselves, yet they claim everything going, free car, housing, the lot! That does annoy me, being that im fed up enough being stuck on benifits earning like a 3rd of what i was taking home

 

out of interest what bit dont you agree with


that it is ludicrous to suggest that Labour ruined our economy or that the finance/banking industry will get back to “normal” within a few years

 

The second bit.

 

1 nil to you deep

your are sooo transparent -- almost see through in fact

 

so you think that the banking industry has seen the error of its ways and will never return to irresponsible lending and the artificial valuing of assests


tell me did you believe Gordon Brown when he announced the end to boom and bust as well

 

Why am i trying to convince you of something i know to be true? I work in the industry for God's sake, don't believe everything the Star says. The landscape has fundamentally changed. And no, nothing Gordon Brown or anyone else can do will put an end to the cyclical nature of a capitalist economy. That was pure deceit.

 

thats OK I dont read the Star

so what the "crock of ****" as you call my views come down to - again it took a few post to get there - is that you think their has been a fundamental change in the finance banking industry (after all as you say you work in it so you know) and we will never have the kind of banking led bubble with inflated asset values etc etc again

that’s fine I accept that – I don’t that’s all – it is my view we will all be back here in 10 to 15 years time

 

You have a genuine injury, and should be seeking compensation from your employer. However...........

Does this injury make you unable to work? No. You just can't be employed where manual labour is required. You can work though, so I'm confused as to why you're on incapacity benefit. You're not incapable of working.

Now. Are you planning on trying for a job that doesn't require manual labour? Maybe re-training for a job that is office located, or are you going to stay on incapacity benefits claiming you're unable to work due to your injury.

I'm not accusing you, but you can see how people react when being told someone is on incapacity benefit, when they actually could work, just not in the same job they had.

 

Fine. Tell the FSA your expert opinion, make sure there isn't an area of the industry they've forgotten to examine, because i sure as hell can't find it.

You're just mouthing man-on-the-street gut reactions. It makes me angry because there's so much mis-information about this whole sorry story. Get some facts, talk to people who know what's going on, then form an opinion. Pub talk is worthless.

 

to stilover:

Obviously i am looking for other work prospects, but in what area?

im guessing your going to say office work? i cant grip a pen in my fingers to write even a line before its slipped out of my finger tips, and could you just use your other hand for everything you used to use your dominant hand for?

Also theres the fact i only get a few hours sleep due to being so uncomfortable and in pain all night as my shoulder is constantly throbbing.

And no im not planning on staying on it any longer than i have to, and have had my problems sorted out so i can get back to my old lifestyle of working a normal job again.

 

I got the impression that the base of the problems was that banks were only too eager to take on debts which were unlikely to be repaid because the system of commission and bonuses was so good as far as the dealers were concerned. Did granting 125% mortgages and allowing people to tell the banks their own income without checks seem like a good idea at the time? Banks used to be so careful about granting mortgages to people taking into account the percentage of their true income and the percentage of the debt.

Les

 

You are an economic incompetent of the highest order. You have literally no idea of what you drivelling on about regarding the economy.

Here are some facts for you to digest

Brown's decade of disaster