Jamescsti

I'm confused,
If the Hilfiger Jeans mentioned above are made in factory "a" in china or wherever manufactured for Hilfiger shops in London.

Factory "A" then makes exactly the same jeans, presumably using the same denim and badges and ships them off for black market sale.

At what point do the jeans become "fake"?

If they were made in a different place or using inferior materials then I can understand it?

hodgy0_2

Yes you’re right to be confused as we are dealing with two slightly different points

You get the “genuine” fakes – i.e. counterfeiters take the brand value such as Nike, North Face etc etc and literally stick this on an inferior product to enhance the perceived value.

Then you get people as I and GC8WRX have described who create “unofficial” versions of a product – these can be sold cheaper because presumably they don’t have to pay the artificial brand mark-up demanded by Nike, North Face etc etc

But then you get people like Tommy Hilfiger and Levi’s who try and stop people using the free market to get genuine products cheaper.

The supermarkets would go into the open European market and buy genuine Levi’s and imported them without going thru the official UK Levi distributors – hence they were able to sell them in ASDA etc much cheaper

The disingenuous arguments used buy the TH and Levi’s included the rubbish that the supermarkets could not guarantee the “grey imports” were not fakes – and this was cr4p as TH & Levi’s could not guarantee you would not buy fakes in official outlets either, because they know damn well some “unofficial” versions are produced in the same factories and are indistinguishable from the official one.

so the question of when they become "fake" is a financial one not a quality one -- fake ones have not paid the brand royalties

incedently Tommy Hilfiger knew the game was up for his brand when he was driven past some roadworks in the Edgware Road, on his way to his flagship store in Oxford street, and noticed a hairy ar3sed workman in the roadworks wearing a v dirty Tommy Hilfiger T-Shirt

JackClark

All items are weighed, the fridge has a scale.

yoza

Surely a bottle of Fanta and a bottle of Diet Coke weigh the same.....or maybe they dont.

Thanks for the reply.

hodgy0_2

what we do know is that sarasquares **** weighs the same as a bottle of coke

JackClark

The clever people find the **** in the bottle.

Avi

The mini bar in the hilton i stayed at had sensors under each bottle. the sign on the door said you could pick it up for 7 seconds before it billed you