Help !!! Killed the Scoob !
04 December 2009, 08:04 PM
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AND ME,I LOVE MY BUGEYE STI-PRODRIVE,WHEN IT WAS PARKED ALONG SIDE A MY03 STI(BLOB) I COULDNT BELIEVE HOW MUCH I PREFERED MY BUG 
NOW ITS GOT COILOVERS WHITELINE BITS WR1 ALLOYS AND SIMONS(JGM)LITTLE TRICKS WITH THE MAP I WOULDNT SELL IT FOR A MILLION.
WELL YOU KNOW WOT I MEAN.
GOOD LUCK TO THE OP MATE HOPE ALL THE STRESS AND HARD WORK PAYS OFF AND YOU ENJOY THAT SCOOBY,AS THATS WOT THEY ARE FOR !!!!
NOW ITS GOT COILOVERS WHITELINE BITS WR1 ALLOYS AND SIMONS(JGM)LITTLE TRICKS WITH THE MAP I WOULDNT SELL IT FOR A MILLION. WELL YOU KNOW WOT I MEAN.GOOD LUCK TO THE OP MATE HOPE ALL THE STRESS AND HARD WORK PAYS OFF AND YOU ENJOY THAT SCOOBY,AS THATS WOT THEY ARE FOR !!!!
06 December 2009, 08:46 PM
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All seems okay with the engine but I now have a strange noise when I change gear and release the clutch quickly or when I brake hard ?
The noise is a fairly loud 'bang', also get it if I depress the clutch whilst braking.
My guess is something to do with the engine mounts or pitch stop, could be the engine / box moving slightly ?
I have taken the car back to work and will investigate this week, anyone got any other ideas or advice please ?
The noise is a fairly loud 'bang', also get it if I depress the clutch whilst braking.
My guess is something to do with the engine mounts or pitch stop, could be the engine / box moving slightly ?
I have taken the car back to work and will investigate this week, anyone got any other ideas or advice please ?
23 January 2010, 10:13 PM
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Checked the engine mounts but all seemed okay, then parked it up and been so busy that I didn't get to look at it again till today !
Removed the intercooler and moved the brackets slightly, loosened the pitch stop bolts half a turn to make sure that it can 'pivot' on its bushes and finally moved the turbo and downpipe a fraction in case they were hitting the steering linkage ?
This seems to have got rid off the noise, drove it home and realised what a 'bone shaker' it is, even compared to the company BMW (complete with runflat tyres)
I have a set of STi dampers and springs to fit as soon as I get round to it, might do it at the same time as the front Brembo's go on.
I think it would benefit from replacement 'poly' bushes throughout as well, just feels 'tired'.
I also really 'need' a forged 2.5 with appropriate heads, 6 speed box and replacement ECU to run the AVCS heads.
Other than a post office or bank job, does any one know a quick way to raise some funds ?
I considered claiming on my life policies but then the wife pointed out that death is for life, not just for Christmas !
Help me out here guys, I have a serious Subaru habbit to feed !
Removed the intercooler and moved the brackets slightly, loosened the pitch stop bolts half a turn to make sure that it can 'pivot' on its bushes and finally moved the turbo and downpipe a fraction in case they were hitting the steering linkage ?
This seems to have got rid off the noise, drove it home and realised what a 'bone shaker' it is, even compared to the company BMW (complete with runflat tyres)
I have a set of STi dampers and springs to fit as soon as I get round to it, might do it at the same time as the front Brembo's go on.
I think it would benefit from replacement 'poly' bushes throughout as well, just feels 'tired'.
I also really 'need' a forged 2.5 with appropriate heads, 6 speed box and replacement ECU to run the AVCS heads.
Other than a post office or bank job, does any one know a quick way to raise some funds ?
I considered claiming on my life policies but then the wife pointed out that death is for life, not just for Christmas !
Help me out here guys, I have a serious Subaru habbit to feed !
24 January 2010, 09:50 PM
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Hmmmmmmmmmm...........................
The 'positive progress' so far has made me want to buy an Evo ! LOL
I keep thinking what the car is actually worth (more in pieces than as a car !)
Then thinking to myself 'if I spend what it needs for my ideal engine / gearbox spec, buy some coilovers from Bren instead of fitting the used STi setup, replacement bushes all round, carbon bonnet and boot, matching Brembos to go on the rear, 3" exhaust instead of the 2.5" I have at present, bigger turbo, etc, etc, etc.............', I could buy an Evo 8 for the cost of the mods !
I am really depressed at the moment with how 'tinny' and 'rattly' it feels, god knows how bad my 98 classic must have been, the bugeye seemed like a massive improvement.
The company car (which I completely despise) is a new BMW 318i, it just reminds me of how solid the old 325i's that I used to run felt (I had five of them before the Subaru bug bit me)
Sometimes wonder whether to cut my losses and buy an M3 ?
The 'positive progress' so far has made me want to buy an Evo ! LOL
I keep thinking what the car is actually worth (more in pieces than as a car !)
Then thinking to myself 'if I spend what it needs for my ideal engine / gearbox spec, buy some coilovers from Bren instead of fitting the used STi setup, replacement bushes all round, carbon bonnet and boot, matching Brembos to go on the rear, 3" exhaust instead of the 2.5" I have at present, bigger turbo, etc, etc, etc.............', I could buy an Evo 8 for the cost of the mods !
I am really depressed at the moment with how 'tinny' and 'rattly' it feels, god knows how bad my 98 classic must have been, the bugeye seemed like a massive improvement.
The company car (which I completely despise) is a new BMW 318i, it just reminds me of how solid the old 325i's that I used to run felt (I had five of them before the Subaru bug bit me)
Sometimes wonder whether to cut my losses and buy an M3 ?
24 January 2010, 11:06 PM
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If you buy an m3 you will have 343bhp. But as soon as you get used to that power you will want to tune it, and its just so much harder to extract bhp from a naturally aspirated engine then that of a turbo'd one. Get an evo or hawkeye sti, you'll always have more fun with them. (plus i work for bm and m3's are ten a dozen! and usually driven by complete plonkers who think the world owes them a favour "cos i drive a bmw m3 and its the bestest car in the world, look at my oakley sun glasses, and prada jumper, with burbery loafers")
Rant over- stay jap voices.............you know you want to!! hehehehehehe!!!
Rant over- stay jap voices.............you know you want to!! hehehehehehe!!!
25 January 2010, 10:20 PM
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I am just homesick for German build quality !
I took a 2003 330Ci Coupe in part exchange today (at work !), more miles on than my Bugeye and still feels solid as a rock.
Good job it's an auto or I might just have been tempted !
I took a 2003 330Ci Coupe in part exchange today (at work !), more miles on than my Bugeye and still feels solid as a rock.
Good job it's an auto or I might just have been tempted !
25 January 2010, 10:41 PM
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330ci sport was my car before the bug. sold it for £6500, had 70 k on the clock, 2001 (y)Titan silver, auto, black leather electric memory seats, xenons, electric folding mirrors, 18" mv2's, full bmw service history, it was immaculate. I added angel eye rings, led rear lights, carbonio behind bumper induction kit, auto logic remap. It had 255bhp and was a daily driver without fault................ but it didn't make me smile any where near than what the bug does, not even close. It depends mate, i think you've just had bad luck with yours and it's sour'd the scooby experience somewhat. But im sure if you managed to re-coup most of your loses and stumped up for a good new(ish) hawkeye or evo, i think you'll fall in love all over again!!
25 January 2010, 10:48 PM
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There is no need for the bolts to be loose enough for the bushes to "pivot" (i.e. rotate) in their mounts. As long as they are tightened with the engine and box in its correct resting position there will be more than enough compliance in the bushes themselves.
By loosening bush mounting bolts in this way you are increasing the chance of rattles, not reducing it. HTH.
26 January 2010, 09:15 PM
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My theory was as follows regarding the pitch stopper:
Both ends are 'sandwiched' between metal brackets, if the nut and bolt were overtightened the brackets would 'close' and grip the pitch stopper, preventing it from pivoting or at least inhibiting its movement.
Surely it needs to have an inherant degree of 'compliance' to help absorb movement / vibration ?
I presume this is why it appears to be made of plastic rather than metal ?
It was originally tightened using a torque wrench and the settings given in my dealer workshop manual.
I figured half a turn isn't going to cause the thing to drop off just in case the torque figures given were incorrect (as were the torque setting for the front cam cap bolts)
Loosening by half a turn hasn't produced any 'lateral' playbetween the pitch stopper and the brackets.
The rattling isn't any worse since the adjustment, I am referring to the whole car in terms of squeaks and rattles (noises from loose trim, rattling glovebox, etc)
I haven't really driven it for more than six months and been driving the new BMW in the meantime, not really a fair comparison considering the age and wear and tear on the Subaru !
Both ends are 'sandwiched' between metal brackets, if the nut and bolt were overtightened the brackets would 'close' and grip the pitch stopper, preventing it from pivoting or at least inhibiting its movement.
Surely it needs to have an inherant degree of 'compliance' to help absorb movement / vibration ?
I presume this is why it appears to be made of plastic rather than metal ?
It was originally tightened using a torque wrench and the settings given in my dealer workshop manual.
I figured half a turn isn't going to cause the thing to drop off just in case the torque figures given were incorrect (as were the torque setting for the front cam cap bolts)
Loosening by half a turn hasn't produced any 'lateral' playbetween the pitch stopper and the brackets.
The rattling isn't any worse since the adjustment, I am referring to the whole car in terms of squeaks and rattles (noises from loose trim, rattling glovebox, etc)
I haven't really driven it for more than six months and been driving the new BMW in the meantime, not really a fair comparison considering the age and wear and tear on the Subaru !
26 January 2010, 10:40 PM
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I've read a lot of this, and I'm very sorry for you all the trouble you've had. But I don't think Subarus have any worse build quality than anything else on the road. My car is a 1998 JDM STI, and it's quiet and smooth and rattle-free. No doubt you're pretty tired of working on the car. But one by one you can eliminate your rattles and it will be fine. Splitpin is surely right about the pitch stop, you should just tighten it back to the proper torque. Definitely, don't get hypnotised by all the mods you could put on the car. Many mods are regretted afterwards, just fix the annoying rattles, make the car sound. Maybe pay a real Subaru expert to check it over with you, you've done a lot of hard things on your own. Good luck!
27 January 2010, 12:18 AM
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Hi, Ive just read the whole thing and really feel sorry for ya. I was tempted by one of the "cheaper" re con engines, but after reading this im glad that I sent mine to David @ API.
Also forget the Evo idea. Please dont get me wrong, they are fantastic cars, but in my eyes there is nothing quite like an Impreza. There is something about them that gets under your skin, if you sold yours you will miss it!! lol
Good luck mate, about time you got some. ha ha
Also forget the Evo idea. Please dont get me wrong, they are fantastic cars, but in my eyes there is nothing quite like an Impreza. There is something about them that gets under your skin, if you sold yours you will miss it!! lol
Good luck mate, about time you got some. ha ha
27 January 2010, 09:42 PM
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Only considered an Evo because they seem to be able to handle significant power increases without needing to replace half the engine internals !
The flat four rumble really gets under your skin but then again so did the BMW straight six howl, especially with 6 branch manifold, de-cat and performance exhaust !
To compare build quality, just slam the door on the Impreza and then do the same with a BMW, Merc or Jaguar. No contest !
I'm not having a go at the build quality per se, you get what you pay for !
The flat four rumble really gets under your skin but then again so did the BMW straight six howl, especially with 6 branch manifold, de-cat and performance exhaust !
To compare build quality, just slam the door on the Impreza and then do the same with a BMW, Merc or Jaguar. No contest !
I'm not having a go at the build quality per se, you get what you pay for !
27 January 2010, 10:16 PM
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a mate of mine is selling an aniversery golf on an 02 plate with 70k on the clock, merticulasly looked after. running a remap and induction kit. its got about 225, turbo and german! hehe think he wants about £7200
27 January 2010, 10:23 PM
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preventing it from pivoting or at least inhibiting its movement.
Surely it needs to have an inherant degree of 'compliance' to help absorb movement / vibration ?
I presume this is why it appears to be made of plastic rather than metal ?
It was originally tightened using a torque wrench and the settings given in my dealer workshop manual. Loosening by half a turn hasn't produced any 'lateral' playbetween the pitch stopper and the brackets.
27 January 2010, 11:30 PM
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if its of any use to you David @ Api is also rebuilding mine at the mo after getting so many recomendations on here he will fully rebuild engine for you less than 3000 i think. and that inc cam belt oils labour pistons crank rings everything you can think of and he also gives warranty with his rebuilds. I decided to go fully forged to so mine is a lil more but dont tell the wife!!!!!
27 January 2010, 11:45 PM
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Precisely. That's what's supposed to happen. Aside from anything else one end of the pitch stop brackets (IIRC the gearbox) is slotted to allow the stop to find its natural level prior to tightening. If you run it loose, the bolt will simply climb up and down the slot, negating the value of having the thing in the first place.
There isn't supposed to be any movement between the inner part of the bushes and their mounts. Again, that's the point. The movement/compliance comes from the rubber part of the stop.
It does. That compliance is engineered into the rubber bushes at each end of the stop. By tightening the bolts properly you allow the rubber parts to work as designed.
Look at it closely. The standard Subaru pitch stoppers are made of plastic, metal and rubber.
It won't, but even short of that, if you loosen off the bolts you will eventually get to the point where the springiness in the rubber will force the metal inner bush to rotate in the brackets as the stopper is loaded, or, as above, negate the value of the stopper by allowing the forward end to float up and down the slot. I know what you're saying about the cam cap bolts but don't take that to mean that everything else is similarly overestimated. These are supposed to be tightened.
There isn't supposed to be any movement between the inner part of the bushes and their mounts. Again, that's the point. The movement/compliance comes from the rubber part of the stop.
It does. That compliance is engineered into the rubber bushes at each end of the stop. By tightening the bolts properly you allow the rubber parts to work as designed.
Look at it closely. The standard Subaru pitch stoppers are made of plastic, metal and rubber.
It won't, but even short of that, if you loosen off the bolts you will eventually get to the point where the springiness in the rubber will force the metal inner bush to rotate in the brackets as the stopper is loaded, or, as above, negate the value of the stopper by allowing the forward end to float up and down the slot. I know what you're saying about the cam cap bolts but don't take that to mean that everything else is similarly overestimated. These are supposed to be tightened.
28 January 2010, 01:02 AM
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Only considered an Evo because they seem to be able to handle significant power increases without needing to replace half the engine internals !
The flat four rumble really gets under your skin but then again so did the BMW straight six howl, especially with 6 branch manifold, de-cat and performance exhaust !
To compare build quality, just slam the door on the Impreza and then do the same with a BMW, Merc or Jaguar. No contest !
I'm not having a go at the build quality per se, you get what you pay for !
The flat four rumble really gets under your skin but then again so did the BMW straight six howl, especially with 6 branch manifold, de-cat and performance exhaust !
To compare build quality, just slam the door on the Impreza and then do the same with a BMW, Merc or Jaguar. No contest !
I'm not having a go at the build quality per se, you get what you pay for !
What ever you buy there will be problems
09 February 2010, 04:17 PM
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What a story. I have been looking at the site and others to get a general feel for the issues with these cars before I hopefuly get a P1. Came across this thread and have been reading it all morning and afternoon, (while working of course 
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Would like to know what its like after a final map.
Hope it all goes well and stays together
).Would like to know what its like after a final map.
Hope it all goes well and stays together
09 February 2010, 09:34 PM
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I would like to know as well !
Oh...................hang on, it's my car ?
I am currently weighing up my options, I think I need to sort out some replacement suspension bushes and put the STi dampers and springs on before I spend any more on the engine.
The sensible thing would be to sell the car and start again with a Bugeye STi, then I would have the six speed box and running gear and could fit the forged 2.5 I fancy when funds allow.
The problem would be that I could get more money by returning it to standard and selling all my add on parts separately, really can't be bothered though !
I just need a lottery win to solve all my problems, whoever said that 'money can't buy you happiness' was either talking out of his a**e or had a very limited imagination !
Oh...................hang on, it's my car ?
I am currently weighing up my options, I think I need to sort out some replacement suspension bushes and put the STi dampers and springs on before I spend any more on the engine.
The sensible thing would be to sell the car and start again with a Bugeye STi, then I would have the six speed box and running gear and could fit the forged 2.5 I fancy when funds allow.
The problem would be that I could get more money by returning it to standard and selling all my add on parts separately, really can't be bothered though !
I just need a lottery win to solve all my problems, whoever said that 'money can't buy you happiness' was either talking out of his a**e or had a very limited imagination !
26 April 2010, 09:51 PM
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Behold !
My thread has returned from the dead !
By a strange coincidence, JGM is sorting the mapping out tomorrow.
The rattling and shuddering were really getting on my nerves, something I read on an old thread made me take the wheels off and yes............you guessed it !
NO SPIGOT RINGS FITTED................Doh !
Boy, was my face red.
I still haven't fitted the front Brembos (I need to buy a pair of 'cross springs')
Still haven't fitted the STi suspension either but I have bought a complete set of poly bushes to fit as well.
It has just been such a novelty being able to drive it, I even polished it last weekend (oh... the humanity !)
I still want to buy the bits in stages for a bombproof 2.1 or 2.5, to do it in one go would cost more than the car !
My thread has returned from the dead !
By a strange coincidence, JGM is sorting the mapping out tomorrow.
The rattling and shuddering were really getting on my nerves, something I read on an old thread made me take the wheels off and yes............you guessed it !
NO SPIGOT RINGS FITTED................Doh !
Boy, was my face red.
I still haven't fitted the front Brembos (I need to buy a pair of 'cross springs')
Still haven't fitted the STi suspension either but I have bought a complete set of poly bushes to fit as well.
It has just been such a novelty being able to drive it, I even polished it last weekend (oh... the humanity !)
I still want to buy the bits in stages for a bombproof 2.1 or 2.5, to do it in one go would cost more than the car !
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Behold !
My thread has returned from the dead !
By a strange coincidence, JGM is sorting the mapping out tomorrow.
The rattling and shuddering were really getting on my nerves, something I read on an old thread made me take the wheels off and yes............you guessed it !
NO SPIGOT RINGS FITTED................Doh !
Boy, was my face red.
I still haven't fitted the front Brembos (I need to buy a pair of 'cross springs')
Still haven't fitted the STi suspension either but I have bought a complete set of poly bushes to fit as well.
It has just been such a novelty being able to drive it, I even polished it last weekend (oh... the humanity !)
I still want to buy the bits in stages for a bombproof 2.1 or 2.5, to do it in one go would cost more than the car !
My thread has returned from the dead !
By a strange coincidence, JGM is sorting the mapping out tomorrow.
The rattling and shuddering were really getting on my nerves, something I read on an old thread made me take the wheels off and yes............you guessed it !
NO SPIGOT RINGS FITTED................Doh !
Boy, was my face red.
I still haven't fitted the front Brembos (I need to buy a pair of 'cross springs')
Still haven't fitted the STi suspension either but I have bought a complete set of poly bushes to fit as well.
It has just been such a novelty being able to drive it, I even polished it last weekend (oh... the humanity !)
I still want to buy the bits in stages for a bombproof 2.1 or 2.5, to do it in one go would cost more than the car !
