skoobidude

I was lucky enough to get a long drive in a 997.1 GT3 last year. These cars are amazing. You are one lucky guy. Let us know how you get on with it next year...

Matteeboy

Fangoria - what do you do that allows such mega car purchasing?
And are there any jobs going?!

Spooky Mulder

For straight line hooliganism the GT2 will win - but the number of reviews evo, DR etc that say that GT2 would be perfect, but for the GT3.

You are likely to enjoy the GT3 far more of the time you would enjoy the GT2.

But there again, I am baised.

Fangoria

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Matteeboy
I'm an accountant............ Title on my business card says 'Global CFO'......... ;-)
I'll be paying cash, though I was a bit miffed that they wouldnt take the £10k deposit on credit card - it had to be a debit card, so they could avoid the charges

I did look at a Porsche Turbo 2 years back but at the time, apart from thinking it was slower than the Scoob which it is (to 160 mph at least), I took great offence to putting a 10% deposit down on a car I'd have to wait 6 months for, with low interest rates I have less of a reservation now, though the Porsche contract funnily says the deposit should be £5k max - nice to see Porsche cant even get basic legal stuff correct

Just went onto a Porsche owners club site to check out places to look up insurance quotes but had no joy and did notice a certain level of snobbery on the site - so will be steering clear and just enjoying the car on track

I have an offset mortgage so its actually costing me about 2% on the lost cash (assuming the base rate stays reasonably low for a while, which I think it will at least for the next year)........ so £1800 a year plus depreciation, insurance, tax, etc.. not too much really

I need a reliable car and one I wont be tempted to modify

Always something going wrong with the Subaru and there isnt much of a 'good' support network otherwise I wouldnt need to drive over 100 miles away from London each time I needed some work doing...... I've tried a lot of 'recommended places' and to be fair they are crap

Matteeboy

Nicely done (on the job...!)! I could call myself Chairman and Director - of a firm of two permanent staff (me and wife) and 5 freelancers! Oh well...!

Review of the GT3 in Evo is nothing but positive. Can't think of anything better really - not into silly Lambos and Ferraris.

Spooky Mulder

Fangoria,

I pay under £600 for my insurance - I can point you in the right direction if that would help.

Spooky

dazdavies

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Fangoria,

When you take delivery and as you're in Yorkshire a fair bit make sure you end up in Doncaster one day. That way you can take me out in one of my most favourite cars and I will demonstrate you can have exceptionally good sounding audio in a classic. It's about choosing the right kit and setting it up properly.

As for the Porsche, a fantastic choice it will be interesting to know your opinion. As you and I have similar spec classics and I'd like to hear your thoughts on the difference between a very well fettled 500+ classic and a factory Porker

Fangoria

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Nat21
Yes they do, about 9-12 months waiting list on the GT3............ which I may get sooner if people drop out or defer their order, which does happen

Factory GT3 wont need Methanol, water injection, bit of octane booster, laggy boost etc to deliver the goods.............

I'll be coming back very close to Donny near the M18 Turn off on the way down the M1 from West Yorkshire........... may be a long wait, will let people know closer the time I get the car

Ana & Phyl Actic

What experience do you base that statement on? Drop the 'brand' blinker device and you'll start seeing things without distortion. Even the most hardened of Porsche fans has to give credit to Lambo and Ferrari for their most recent incarnations of automotive ****.

The Superleggera and Scuderia are not only jaw achingly beautiful, but serious track weapons too - phenomenol power. Yes, a hefty price tag and consumable wear rate that would make even a GT3 owner wince.

But these cars would give even the most impotent of ******* a wood on, far more aesthetically pleasing than any Porsche.

p.s I'm not knocking Porsche as I love 'em, a fabulous bit of kit also. Congrats to the OP on the purchase

Spooky Mulder

The problem is that the total cost of ownership of the cheapest Ferrari will be double the same for the GT3.

Like the best women, beautiful and totally impractical

marky1

Yeah I can vouch for that. I had a Scuderia and it is the most incredible car I've ever driven. I certainly wouldn't describe it as silly. Likewise, I have similar feelings on the Porsche, great car you have bought yourself Fangoria.
Not sure about the cost of ownership of something like a Scuderia being double a GT3. The outlay might be more but I think maybe values will hold up better on a Scuderia. Who knows though, and at the end of the day some enthusiasts won't lose too much sleep over it.

Matteeboy

FIL had an F355 for a year - I was insured on it. It was very flimsy and unreliable and cost a fortune to run, tramlined like mad and was too wide.

I see a Lambo and although it may be "wrong" I think "****." Not quite the same with more compact looking Ferraris that aren't quite so OTT (612, 599) but the 430 just looks silly.

A decent 911 is compact, reliable, well made and very quick. Much more my cup of tea.

marky1

And that IMHO is the problem with the UK. People look down their nose at success. No wonder the country is finished and everyone wants to sponge off the taxpayer. I mean I could understand if you gave a reason for not liking the car, but to immediately come to the conclusion the driver is a "****" - there is something wrong with that.
It's amazing the difference when driving these kind of cars between the UK and much of mainland Europe. In Spain people pull up next to you and give you the thumbs up, in the UK they key it.
And by the way how can you call a 612 compact, its friggin huge mate.

Ana & Phyl Actic

why would you think that? Jealousy?

Go try a SuperL or Scuderia Mat, I promise you it will blow your mind. It's Everything the 355 isn't.
612 Scag is the most ugly modern ferrari.

marky1

Matt, also you're comparing a 355 that is 15 year old technology with 2009 technology. It's hardly a comparison. As to being too wide, that makes me laugh, maybe you should drive a Tesco shopping trolley! Actually maybe Asda cause people might think you're a **** if you drive a Tesco one

Matteeboy

Marky - Oh yes of course, you see a blinged up Range Rover and think "he's cool" then do you?
Nothing to do with jealousy - money is not a problem thanks - I'm just not interested in Lambos and 430s.

If I did feel the need to spend money on a supercar, it would be a GT3, GT2 or similar.

And yes, those that feel the need to flash their cash are very often *****. I know plenty (and have family) with many millions - none feel the need for a Lambo or similar. The 355 was a blip (many years ago) but has not and will not be repeated. It was hard work to own, run and got more aggro than any other car from bitter drivers. No thanks.

You both speak as if you own these cars - my guess is that you've both read Evo and come up with your opinions rather than actually run any of them. I grew up with rapid and quick cars owned by Dad and mates - so have something to base my ideas on rather than regurgitating a mag.

Ana & Phyl Actic

Of course - you are a Chairman MD afterall

I base my experience on actual experience, [I wish I did own one of them, although I'm not that fortunate] having driven the pair extensively. Fine, lambos and ferraris don't do it for you, but ffs stop being such a judgmental hypocrite.

p.s lend us a tenner

Matteeboy

Well done - you've finally "got" my point. They don't do it for me. But it's nothing to do with being jealous.

Anyway back on topic, the GT3 is a stunning car.

Do you want the tenner in cash or a cheque?

marky1

Yeah until 2 months ago I did own a Scuderia. So no, my views don't come from a magazine. (if you require proof search for my thread about the Scuderia and you will see pictures near the end of the thread) With respect my views on these kind of cars, and I have had others, have come from personal ownership experience, not from my dads or Evo!
A great many people buy these cars for the driving experience, not to flash their cash. I sit on my **** trading all day in front of computer screens and I don't see it as flash to buy something I like, I certainly don't see it as flashing my cash, more as a reward for the hard stressful and long days I have in the office. I know wealthy people that spend money on cars, and wealthy people that drive VW's. It's usually about a passion for cars, not flashing cash - the people that see it as cash flashing are usually the ones that can't afford them!


On another point and ref your point "money is not a problem for me" you might wish to remember a point I made in a previous post you wrote (you were looking to buy something, might have been a BMW, can't remember) about the meaning of affordability.

bighead

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guys if money was no object .....there would be no garage BIG enough for the cars that I will buy , Lambos and Ferrari top of the list of cause !!

dunx

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Isn't that a pseudonym for getting it past "her indoors" ?

Nice choice, best colour.

dunx

P.S. I know I won't be able to afford one, but please let us know when it is to be let loose on a trackday.

Fangoria

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Just come back to this

The Hoff
Please ignore my comments - its been commented in another thread that my response related to housing was totally inappropriate - so sorry if you are offended - seems others are on your behalf

On the point of a Race Spec Ferrari - thats more out of my price league - I am not sure of the residuals on these and not sure I could see myself taking that on a trackday
I have however given consideration to the Lambo Superleggera, given the running costs and the less than 'glowing' reviews I decided to go down the Porsche route
These cars tend to hold their value very well, so taking everything into account the costs are not so high, whereas with the Superleggara, looking at some of the 2nd hand prices its clear that they have very steep depreciation in the first 18 months (that is my worry also about a brand new GT2). I looked at a second hand 997 GT3 but I thought I'd spend more, get a brand new car and with more power than would not decline in value so much

Its funny thinking of Porsches - I recall an Evo Mag article 2-3 years ago that compared the running costs/depreciation on Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche and concluded that Porsche was much more civilised price wise

Oddly I never thought of the GT3 really.... my father asked if it was 'mid-life crisis' time ala dom Jolly who had a Porsche and soon got rid of it. I have a number of German colleages also who wouldnt spit on a Porsche - they prefer high powered cruising Audi's or Italian cars

Devildog

A GT3 would certainly form part of my "lottery" line up

As for Matt, I suspect he's just grown up knowing the wrong kind of people. Seemingly lots of flash the cash "*****". It has, unfortunately, seriously distorted his view on, well, most things of any material value.

Bottom line for me, if money was no object, would be a Murcielago SV. Which would, of course, immediately render me a "****". Not that I'd care, to be honest

Spooky Mulder

My comment earlier about the Ferrari was the typically staggering running costs. It may have improved on the newer cars but a service came too often and was into serious four figures too often.

The 911 costs about the same as my BMW 530 to service and run - if not less!!!

If something breaks it costs - but things just don't break!

Deep Singh

I know you are the accountant and not me but I don't get the math. Its only costing you 2% of what?

Spooky Mulder

I think he means that by reducing his capital, he is effectively paying 2% interest on the mortgage balance which is now not offset against his savings.

If the BR goes up to 5% then the interest will go up to 5%. Still cheaper than a car loan if you already have the capital and happen to have an offset mortgage.

At present though the real cost is the opportunity cost of a 4-5% long term savings account.

Still better than a car loan.

Deep Singh

Sorry, I know I'm going off on a tangent but....

Effectively with an offset mortgage you have borrowed £100k against your house. Very approx interest only on £100k must be circa £350/month? That's about £4000 per year.

sbk1972

Im not a fan of the 911's or what ever they are called, but I do like the new turbo's ! :-) Jesus what a lovely looking car. I love the led lights, the aggressive looks, wow, impressive.

When you get the car, post up some pics, be nice to see the one your on about, as I only know the turbo one.

SBK