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23 February 2009, 07:26 PM
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Stara... No issues chatting regarding this... I made a hard decision as family reasons meant I had to get something less extreme and wearing on my good lady who has a medical condition that the T20 didn't exactly help with... Plus she couldn't drive it...
I could have got a CSL... But that wouldn't have been much help either... add the other problem of needing 4 doors..
But I can see where you're coming from regarding convincing myself that D was miles better... I won't name cars etc as that would be arrogant, but I'd see this more affecting people if they'd gone 'down' a perceived level or two from the Scoob and wanted to big-up the figures...(please don't take that the wrong way.. it was for comparison reasons..)
As performance D's improve (as if Le Mans wasn't proof enough of the performance aspects), then it will be common and readily accepted that such a naturally torquey engine is going to come out on top in specific tests... I'm sure electric will be given the same hard time
To be more accurate I'd say the D is miles different. It's better in many, many areas (as you'd expect for nearly 15-20k more), but not in others.
I also need to stress that I'm not a D convert, just someone who's a convert to the 335D, because as a daily drive package it really is a special motor.. It just happens to be powered by a stonking engine that barely sounds like a D, has no smoke like the old rattly D's and sounds 6 Cylinder growly...all with 500 ft lbs, 335 BHP and mid 30's MPG when 'on it' and Low 50's on a cruise control run...... Of course that's half the story...but those figures alone make me smile and think it's all worth it...
and surely posting times and power figures etc is what we've all done?
I could have got a CSL... But that wouldn't have been much help either... add the other problem of needing 4 doors..
But I can see where you're coming from regarding convincing myself that D was miles better... I won't name cars etc as that would be arrogant, but I'd see this more affecting people if they'd gone 'down' a perceived level or two from the Scoob and wanted to big-up the figures...(please don't take that the wrong way.. it was for comparison reasons..)
As performance D's improve (as if Le Mans wasn't proof enough of the performance aspects), then it will be common and readily accepted that such a naturally torquey engine is going to come out on top in specific tests... I'm sure electric will be given the same hard time
To be more accurate I'd say the D is miles different. It's better in many, many areas (as you'd expect for nearly 15-20k more), but not in others.
I also need to stress that I'm not a D convert, just someone who's a convert to the 335D, because as a daily drive package it really is a special motor.. It just happens to be powered by a stonking engine that barely sounds like a D, has no smoke like the old rattly D's and sounds 6 Cylinder growly...all with 500 ft lbs, 335 BHP and mid 30's MPG when 'on it' and Low 50's on a cruise control run...... Of course that's half the story...but those figures alone make me smile and think it's all worth it...
and surely posting times and power figures etc is what we've all done?
23 February 2009, 08:09 PM
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You wouldn't believe the amount of stick, tractor jokes and soot jokes I got from the boys & gals on the Stelvio run. In fact I'm still suffering to this day....
So for that alone I'm not selling... give them the satisfaction?
11 March 2009, 04:40 PM
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I can certainly vouch for the performance of a chipped 335D..
Very little has troubled my well sorted WRX (350+/340) but today I had a play with one of these and whilst I expected it to be very quick, I didn't expect it to be THAT quick..
Up to three figures there wasn't anything in it, but beyond that he just kept pulling ahead..
Eventually I gave up, lol. Pulled along side him at the next set of lights and we had a chat. At first he said it was standard, which I was shocked by, but after I said that it's one of if not the fastest thing I've ever come up against, admitted it was chipped with ~330bhp and 700nm..
Lol, took a twisty country back road on the way home to restore my ego.. Reading this thread has made me feel a lot better..
Very little has troubled my well sorted WRX (350+/340) but today I had a play with one of these and whilst I expected it to be very quick, I didn't expect it to be THAT quick..
Up to three figures there wasn't anything in it, but beyond that he just kept pulling ahead..
Eventually I gave up, lol. Pulled along side him at the next set of lights and we had a chat. At first he said it was standard, which I was shocked by, but after I said that it's one of if not the fastest thing I've ever come up against, admitted it was chipped with ~330bhp and 700nm..
Lol, took a twisty country back road on the way home to restore my ego..
Reading this thread has made me feel a lot better..
11 March 2009, 05:52 PM
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Lol, I realised that after reviving this thread..
There's nowt wrong with my car, as proved on the run home..
Still does 60-100 in mid 6's, just that a chipped/mapped 335d is a monster, especially on d/c/autobahn..
In fact, with hind sight I'm pleased I did as well as I did..
I think that it would certainly be in my top 3 if I could afford to change, that is..
FWIW, I can't see any scoob with anything less than a genuine 400 of each matching one, never mind beating one, once rolling..!
I think well see a similar thing in the WTCC with the TDI Seat's..
There's nowt wrong with my car, as proved on the run home..
Still does 60-100 in mid 6's, just that a chipped/mapped 335d is a monster, especially on d/c/autobahn..
In fact, with hind sight I'm pleased I did as well as I did..
I think that it would certainly be in my top 3 if I could afford to change, that is..
FWIW, I can't see any scoob with anything less than a genuine 400 of each matching one, never mind beating one, once rolling..!
I think well see a similar thing in the WTCC with the TDI Seat's..
11 March 2009, 07:03 PM
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Lol, I realised that after reviving this thread..
There's nowt wrong with my car, as proved on the run home..
Still does 60-100 in mid 6's, just that a chipped/mapped 335d is a monster, especially on d/c/autobahn..
In fact, with hind sight I'm pleased I did as well as I did..
I think that it would certainly be in my top 3 if I could afford to change, that is..
FWIW, I can't see any scoob with anything less than a genuine 400 of each matching one, never mind beating one, once rolling..!
I think well see a similar thing in the WTCC with the TDI Seat's..
There's nowt wrong with my car, as proved on the run home..
Still does 60-100 in mid 6's, just that a chipped/mapped 335d is a monster, especially on d/c/autobahn..
In fact, with hind sight I'm pleased I did as well as I did..
I think that it would certainly be in my top 3 if I could afford to change, that is..
FWIW, I can't see any scoob with anything less than a genuine 400 of each matching one, never mind beating one, once rolling..!
I think well see a similar thing in the WTCC with the TDI Seat's..
You sound like a well rounded chap who doesn't wear scoob tinted specs Those figures for the scoob sound about right too. So your car's not broke
I'll report back on the figures my Blufin gets when it finally arrives and I've done the RR session...
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11 March 2009, 09:09 PM
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Lol, Banny, without being funny, it was probably a std 335d. There's no way anything short of top end exotica would 'romp' away from a mapped/chipped 335d, especially after missing a gear..!
Maybe you should arrange a run against Alans, after he's had it blufinned..
Seriously, I've had similar runs against some pretty hot stuff (RS4's/997 Carrera S') and none have troubled like this 335d did..
At the end of the day, I know my car is very quick by any standard. I also know there are quicker cars out there, there always will be. It's like the being the toughest, roughest bloke in the world, but there's always be someone tougher somewhere..!
On the right road in the right conditions the result may have been different, but TBH I don't car about loosing out to a monster of a car..
The ones that do 'hurt' are the cars that shouldn't be quicker, ie some knackered looking, maroon rOver 45 that's running 2l turbo on NOx, yet it looks like an old standard sh1te rover 45..!
Now that sort of thing shouldn't happen, but it does..! 
Maybe you should arrange a run against Alans, after he's had it blufinned..
Seriously, I've had similar runs against some pretty hot stuff (RS4's/997 Carrera S') and none have troubled like this 335d did..
At the end of the day, I know my car is very quick
by any standard. I also know there are quicker cars out there, there always will be. It's like the being the toughest, roughest bloke in the world, but there's always be someone tougher somewhere..!On the right road in the right conditions the result may have been different, but TBH I don't car about loosing out to a monster of a car..
The ones that do 'hurt' are the cars that shouldn't be quicker, ie some knackered looking, maroon rOver 45 that's running 2l turbo on NOx, yet it looks like an old standard sh1te rover 45..!
Now that sort of thing shouldn't happen, but it does..!
11 March 2009, 10:38 PM
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Ah, you blew the bottom end racing the std 335d..
No seriously, IMHO your new build is what's needed to get the better of one on a d/c run..!
Lol, you might struggle to get 40mpg+ from that though..
No seriously, IMHO your new build is what's needed to get the better of one on a d/c run..!
Lol, you might struggle to get 40mpg+ from that though..
11 March 2009, 11:23 PM
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Why would I want to run against a 440 BHP car that's carrying 200 kg less and an extra 110 BHP after my chip? There's only going to be one winner. Rolling start or overtaking would be a different matter with an extra 120+ Ft Lbs for the BM.
It would be like putting you up against a 550 BHP Evo or Skyline......... same result.
This is why all this talk is ultimately pointless... Saying that Banny... have you got any 1/4 mile times?
I think Jasonius touches upon the point well though... It's more of the fact the car is both a D and a luxury barge. Some would say ordinary looking or even boring. It doesn't 'look' right getting hammered by such a car. Especially when the bloke has full voice command, Bose with Ipod control, USB and internal 80GB HDD, Dual screen TV with internal DVD player, independent climate control for the driver, passenger and rear seats, seat heating with luxury leather and comfort entry.... pro sat nav, bluetooth.... adaptive headlights....... the list goes on.
He also mentions that whilst loosing his battle, that 335 would have been in the high 30's MPG... settling to mid 40's when he's finished having some fun... that also shouldn't happen...
It certainly doesn't have the presence of the T20 or the huge grin factor when on it... but it delivers in so many other ways as to be the best car I've ever owned...and by a long way.
It would be like putting you up against a 550 BHP Evo or Skyline......... same result.
This is why all this talk is ultimately pointless... Saying that Banny... have you got any 1/4 mile times?
I think Jasonius touches upon the point well though... It's more of the fact the car is both a D and a luxury barge. Some would say ordinary looking or even boring. It doesn't 'look' right getting hammered by such a car. Especially when the bloke has full voice command, Bose with Ipod control, USB and internal 80GB HDD, Dual screen TV with internal DVD player, independent climate control for the driver, passenger and rear seats, seat heating with luxury leather and comfort entry.... pro sat nav, bluetooth.... adaptive headlights....... the list goes on.
He also mentions that whilst loosing his battle, that 335 would have been in the high 30's MPG... settling to mid 40's when he's finished having some fun... that also shouldn't happen...
It certainly doesn't have the presence of the T20 or the huge grin factor when on it... but it delivers in so many other ways as to be the best car I've ever owned...and by a long way.
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15 March 2009, 11:59 PM
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so does anyone know what power and torque outputs of the different 330d years and are models are?same for the 5 series?
are these cars better mated to an auto box?
are these cars better mated to an auto box?
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16 March 2009, 01:18 AM
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Our '05 330d stopped working today... completely out of the blue.
Drove for about 80-90miles without any hassle or sign of difficulty, stopped for a gypsy kiss, got back in the car a couple of mins later and tried to start it. Dash lights flickered, sound of a solenoid clicking from engine bay, xenon lights flicking on and off at will (switch in OFF position). Battery drained and died quickly.
Recovered home by BMW Assist and hooked car up to one of our other cars with jump leads, and turned ignition on again, the xenons again started flicking on and off, solenoid clicking again.. but not even trying to start. Will get it recovered to dealership tomorrow morning for repair.
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Drove for about 80-90miles without any hassle or sign of difficulty, stopped for a gypsy kiss, got back in the car a couple of mins later and tried to start it. Dash lights flickered, sound of a solenoid clicking from engine bay, xenon lights flicking on and off at will (switch in OFF position). Battery drained and died quickly.
Recovered home by BMW Assist and hooked car up to one of our other cars with jump leads, and turned ignition on again, the xenons again started flicking on and off, solenoid clicking again.. but not even trying to start. Will get it recovered to dealership tomorrow morning for repair.
Cheers,
Grant
16 March 2009, 01:37 AM
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My money is on the voltage regulator: They do pack up on them leaving teh battery to slowely drain, and you don't realise until you try and start the engine again. Wait for your BMW dealer to say you have a dead alternator....then ask about the regulator
Just be ware that the regulator is a £25 part (BMW part no: 12317797525 ) that simply bolts onto the alternator. But of course the dealer would rather swap with a whole new alternator (which will include a new regulator) costing a couple of hundred quid extra for the privilege.
They need very beefy jump leads and a beefy jump battery to start the diesels if the main battery is dead, otherwise you just get a "click" and not much else.
Just be ware that the regulator is a £25 part (BMW part no: 12317797525 ) that simply bolts onto the alternator. But of course the dealer would rather swap with a whole new alternator (which will include a new regulator) costing a couple of hundred quid extra for the privilege.
They need very beefy jump leads and a beefy jump battery to start the diesels if the main battery is dead, otherwise you just get a "click" and not much else.
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16 March 2009, 12:58 PM
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sorry dont have standard torque figures.
16 March 2009, 01:19 PM
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It's like the old bikes vs cars arguments, but with more derv. When you finally get a tractor up to the levels of performance cars, they can start the tuning process themselves.
You then get the 'counter arguments' that the car brigade used to use against bikes - comfort this spec that blah blah the other. It's the old 'Oh I didn't lose, because I was actually going for "fastest car in which a robot arm reaches out and scratches your **** for you" title, and you didn't have a robot arm so ner'.
16 March 2009, 01:51 PM
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^^^
IMHO, it would take something very special to out drag one of these diesels that, at the end of the day only has a plug in module that can be fitted/removed in about 3 seconds and costs ~£400..!
Not that long ago I had a play with a 335i (petrol TT with around 300/300 iirc) and I absolutely destroyed it in the same situation. Now I know they can also be mapped, but I'm just giving a comparison.
Also, the 335d will still do 40+ mpg when you want it to, the 335 won't..!
Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking any car/marques here, I'm just genuinely very impressed by the performance grunt of these cars..!
IMHO, it would take something very special to out drag one of these diesels that, at the end of the day only has a plug in module that can be fitted/removed in about 3 seconds and costs ~£400..!
Not that long ago I had a play with a 335i (petrol TT with around 300/300 iirc) and I absolutely destroyed it in the same situation. Now I know they can also be mapped, but I'm just giving a comparison.
Also, the 335d will still do 40+ mpg when you want it to, the 335 won't..!
Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking any car/marques here, I'm just genuinely very impressed by the performance grunt of these cars..!
16 March 2009, 03:03 PM
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Model: 335d M Sport
OTR Price: £38,325
Fuel: Diesel
BIK (%): 26%
CO2 (g/km): 177
Combined fuel consumption (mpg): 42.2
Performance (hp): 286
0-62mph (secs): (5.9)
very very fast car.. but look at the price almost 40k
would be a great used car, when is 3/4 years old :-)
OTR Price: £38,325
Fuel: Diesel
BIK (%): 26%
CO2 (g/km): 177
Combined fuel consumption (mpg): 42.2
Performance (hp): 286
0-62mph (secs): (5.9)
very very fast car.. but look at the price almost 40k
would be a great used car, when is 3/4 years old :-)
16 March 2009, 04:52 PM
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That car was special though
16 March 2009, 10:51 PM
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It is perfectly mated to the car and is a real joy to use with the paddles. You don't have to use the paddles as you can use the sequential shift from the normal gear ****.
In all 3 modes (explained below) it offers completely seamless changes up and down. This includes hard charging changes that mean the power is applied without a hint of 'off power' or revs dropping off. Accelerating from 2nd upwards to 6th and silly speeds, you cannot feel the changes. You can hear the car changing, but the power delivery is total.: and with 500+ Flt Lbs... that's a real advantage.
Plus, the reason the 335 D's don't get manual is that the std manual box can't handle the torque...
The three modes:
D: the changes are relaxed and done at low revs using the massive torque. You can use the paddles at any time and the car goes into 'manual' mode for as long as you need, but if you don't touch them for 30 seconds or so, it drops back into D.
DS: This ups the revs by 500 to 1k. It also holds onto the revs longer, keeping it on the boil much better. As soon as you touch the paddles in this mode it goes to:
'Manual': Nearly complete control as you would on any manual. Simply change when you want. Dropping from 6th to 2nd happens as fast as you can press the button (and as long it doesn't mean over revving). I say 'nearly' as it will down change automatically if the revs drop too low when you drop too far out of the power band. If you go into the redline it will change up automatically too. It also has safety features that means a down shift from 2nd to 1st that would normally go way past the redline, don't happen. It ignores the command. My comments are that when hard charging (as I did in stelvio) it's both a blessing (as it saved me a few times when I wated to downshift too early) or a curse when you wanted to hold onto the redline for a while ready for a braking point... sometimes it would change up and leave me in the wrong gear. Overall, the software is damn near perfect.
I went from a T20 to this and I've not missed the manual transmission at all. I love the extra speed, control, ability and range of options the box and paddles give.
I wouldn't hesitate to reccomend it over the manual....
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18 March 2009, 01:31 PM
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Model: 335d M Sport
OTR Price: £38,325
Fuel: Diesel
BIK (%): 26%
CO2 (g/km): 177
Combined fuel consumption (mpg): 42.2
Performance (hp): 286
0-62mph (secs): (5.9)
very very fast car.. but look at the price almost 40k
would be a great used car, when is 3/4 years old :-)
OTR Price: £38,325
Fuel: Diesel
BIK (%): 26%
CO2 (g/km): 177
Combined fuel consumption (mpg): 42.2
Performance (hp): 286
0-62mph (secs): (5.9)
very very fast car.. but look at the price almost 40k
would be a great used car, when is 3/4 years old :-)
If the 335d is very very fast, does that make the E36 M3 a supercar?
18 March 2009, 03:39 PM
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Figures mean nothing, especially 0-60, as I'm sure you know..
My old man has a 52 plate (184) 330d sport and IMHO it's not quick, but the current 335d with remap is. If you don't think so, fine, just wait until you come up against one and let us know how you got on..
My old man has a 52 plate (184) 330d sport and IMHO it's not quick, but the current 335d with remap is. If you don't think so, fine, just wait until you come up against one and let us know how you got on..
