New GTR or not?
10 March 2009, 06:54 PM
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They are hanging on, if I knew I could get a ready supply of good parts for sensible money and could get Ecuflash level of access to the ECU I would be tempted to run one out of warranty and mod it. Neither are going to happen, so I'm not.
An Evo with the same power as a 997 GT2 seems to outdrag it at the 30-130 day, the best Evo was nearly twice as fast to accelerate, and it was "only" using a GT35R.
An Evo with the same power as a 997 GT2 seems to outdrag it at the 30-130 day, the best Evo was nearly twice as fast to accelerate, and it was "only" using a GT35R.
10 March 2009, 10:17 PM
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I was thinking the same thing. If an Evo is the benchmark for everything then why move on. Live with the image - you are an emancipated navigator, a man who knows his own destiny so who cares if people think you are a hooligan 
10 March 2009, 10:59 PM
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It would be nice to have more cylinders, more refinement and an autobox though (I care about those more than image), but I won't get those in a nimble, cheap package that is so easy to tune as the Evo. Cheap speed wins for now 
11 March 2009, 09:38 PM
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11 March 2009, 09:47 PM
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What do you think of the latest M3, I understand the Sedan rides quite a bit better than
the coupe....a good video here...
BMW M3 v Mercedes C63 AMG v Lexus IS-F | Videos | Drivers Republic
12 March 2009, 10:52 AM
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New M3 has option of EDC, and with it having no run flat reputed to be compliant. Could be good, prices are good too.
Jacey Boy, you seemed so enthusiastic about it. Was it the new details of running costs or other reasons you'd rather not go into? Are you getting something else instead or keeping what you have?
Jacey Boy, you seemed so enthusiastic about it. Was it the new details of running costs or other reasons you'd rather not go into? Are you getting something else instead or keeping what you have?
12 March 2009, 10:58 AM
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I have this for now
12 March 2009, 06:01 PM
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The servicing costs for my Evo between 18-27k have amounted to in excess of two grand ( inc having timing and balancer belts replaced )....is the GTR really that much worse?
Genuine question, haven't been involved in that aspect of our GTR, thank God!
Genuine question, haven't been involved in that aspect of our GTR, thank God!
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12 March 2009, 06:30 PM
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My Evo is out of warranty, I get it serviced at independents, or for simple things like oil changes, brakes, the village garage who do a great job at a good price and still stamp the book. I have other contacts who sort the AYC/ACD stuff no problems, and should be fine for the cambelt when the time comes. I'm more interested in it being done properly than main dealer services which are expensive and sometimes lacking. So my service costs are a fraction of main dealer GTR.
I wouldn't exactly welcome an engine failure, but it won't be financially ruinous if it happens by any stretch, and it won't be because of the quality of the albeit very cheap servicing. More just inconvenient and a chance to upgrade.
I wouldn't exactly welcome an engine failure, but it won't be financially ruinous if it happens by any stretch, and it won't be because of the quality of the albeit very cheap servicing. More just inconvenient and a chance to upgrade.
14 March 2009, 12:34 AM
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New M3 has option of EDC, and with it having no run flat reputed to be compliant. Could be good, prices are good too.
Jacey Boy, you seemed so enthusiastic about it. Was it the new details of running costs or other reasons you'd rather not go into? Are you getting something else instead or keeping what you have?
Jacey Boy, you seemed so enthusiastic about it. Was it the new details of running costs or other reasons you'd rather not go into? Are you getting something else instead or keeping what you have?
Will be eager to hear how you like the M3. Also wonder how it will handle the wet with that diff as compared to the theoretically better 4wd evo?? Bring on the comparison...J
14 March 2009, 10:55 AM
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The E46 M3 M-diff which I gather is similar was quite impressive in the wet if the surface was smooth. I'm not planning to test an M3 though, if anything it would be a 335i, but it depends on wife's employment, she may at worse be unemployed or at best get a raise and a car, in which case I'd plot to trade her GTI for a 335i as a daily driver and keep the Evo and tune it further.
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15 March 2009, 09:03 PM
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so what exactly are these hideous servicing costs? Do you have the details?
Just saw the GTR on Top Gear and I'm feeling a little itch
The M5 will have cost me a fortune to run (mainly in deprec and fuel) and don't want to lose that much again.
ps as for the warranty issue, thats pretty much standard practice for all cars, people just for some reason expect the Japs to allow their cars to be modded which is unfair?
Just saw the GTR on Top Gear and I'm feeling a little itch
The M5 will have cost me a fortune to run (mainly in deprec and fuel) and don't want to lose that much again.
ps as for the warranty issue, thats pretty much standard practice for all cars, people just for some reason expect the Japs to allow their cars to be modded which is unfair?
15 March 2009, 09:16 PM
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Hello Mark, I'm good thanks, obviously not as good as you and Jase though! 
Sorry to see you cancel the GTR Jase, I was looking forward to being a passenger and altering the 0-60 to above 10 seconds.
I don't have the money right now, but when I've robbed that bank I'll be straight out and buying an RS6 Avant.
Sorry to see you cancel the GTR Jase, I was looking forward to being a passenger and altering the 0-60 to above 10 seconds.
I don't have the money right now, but when I've robbed that bank I'll be straight out and buying an RS6 Avant.
15 March 2009, 09:21 PM
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Standard practice on Lotus and Porsche are that they don't care if you track the car or switch the traction control off. For Nissan to state the warranty will be void if you turn VDC off, or track it without them inspecting it is unusual to me.
Modifiying is a different story, and most manufacturers don't like it, which is fair enough.
Servicing is 6 monthly and looks like £700 per pop.
I think discs and pads were over £4k.
Willing to be corrected there, it got confusing on the GTR site but think that was the conclusion...
Modifiying is a different story, and most manufacturers don't like it, which is fair enough.
Servicing is 6 monthly and looks like £700 per pop.
I think discs and pads were over £4k.
Willing to be corrected there, it got confusing on the GTR site but think that was the conclusion...
15 March 2009, 11:23 PM
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Standard practice on Lotus and Porsche are that they don't care if you track the car or switch the traction control off. For Nissan to state the warranty will be void if you turn VDC off, or track it without them inspecting it is unusual to me.
Modifiying is a different story, and most manufacturers don't like it, which is fair enough.
Servicing is 6 monthly and looks like £700 per pop.
I think discs and pads were over £4k.
Willing to be corrected there, it got confusing on the GTR site but think that was the conclusion...
Modifiying is a different story, and most manufacturers don't like it, which is fair enough.
Servicing is 6 monthly and looks like £700 per pop.
I think discs and pads were over £4k.
Willing to be corrected there, it got confusing on the GTR site but think that was the conclusion...
Is it going to have a £8k clutch like the Gallardo????
16 March 2009, 07:25 AM
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I don't think the main concern for me is the service costs or intervals. The service book also states that you have to change oil and have inspections after, what they call aggressive driving. This could be road driving as well as track. They also state that if you do go on a track you need to have pre track and post track inspection to keep the warranty. I have no intention of tracking my GTR every other weekend but I would like to track it two or three times a year without it adding thousands to the upkeep. Also they are listing fornt brake changs at around £900, which with a car this size will be almost every time you do dare to track it.
I'm no track day warrior but it strikes me as strange that Nissan have sold the car so heavily on its Ring performance only to then say they can't say it will last if you do track it and your warranty is worthless. This worries me slightly as when your paying nearly 60K for a new motor you at least expect the dealer to stand by it.
I feel a bit relieved that I bought UK sat nav model as my delivery is late 09 to early 10 so have time to sit on the fence and see what happens with the non sat nav models that will be delivered in the coming months.
I have follwed the development of the car for years and ordered as soon as the order books opened. If I'd gone for the non sat nav model with delivery next month, I think I too would have cancelled by now. There have been lots of posts on the GTR site saying people are just backing out as they can't afford it. I think this may be comments from people who haven't actually put their money down and therefore not bothered or affected by all the crap going on. I dearly would like Nissan to sort all the bul**** out so I can look forward to my car. If they don't I could end up left with a new car nobody will buy due to the costs involved in keeping it.
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I'm no track day warrior but it strikes me as strange that Nissan have sold the car so heavily on its Ring performance only to then say they can't say it will last if you do track it and your warranty is worthless. This worries me slightly as when your paying nearly 60K for a new motor you at least expect the dealer to stand by it.
I feel a bit relieved that I bought UK sat nav model as my delivery is late 09 to early 10 so have time to sit on the fence and see what happens with the non sat nav models that will be delivered in the coming months.
I have follwed the development of the car for years and ordered as soon as the order books opened. If I'd gone for the non sat nav model with delivery next month, I think I too would have cancelled by now. There have been lots of posts on the GTR site saying people are just backing out as they can't afford it. I think this may be comments from people who haven't actually put their money down and therefore not bothered or affected by all the crap going on. I dearly would like Nissan to sort all the bul**** out so I can look forward to my car. If they don't I could end up left with a new car nobody will buy due to the costs involved in keeping it.
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16 March 2009, 10:53 PM
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Thought i would just mention.... As i have my GTR coming Sept 1st from Middlehurst and i will be averaging about 16K miles a year. Here is the servcing pricing i have and to be honest for me its cheap for this type of car... compared to RS4 , AMG and TVR...
Brake costs i have been verbally told are £3.5K all round for discs and pads fitted... now we all know brakes and tyres go at different rates depending on use. My RS4 swapped front pads at 18k miles first ....cost £400.. if i swapped everthing it would still be £2.5K for an Audi... Alternatives make this cheaper
I have also decided to start with the mid pipe being swapped on the exhaust, again just like the Subaru, Audi , Merc etc..... then work from there based on what can be done and warranty
1,500mls - Performance Optimisation Service - Free
6,000mls (after approximately 4.5 months) - G1 Service
12,000mls (after approximately 9 months) - G2 Service
1 Year - 1st Free Maintenance Inspection/Performance Optimisation Service
18,000mls (after approximately 13.5 months) G1 service
24,000mls (after approximately 18 months) G3 service
30,000 mls (after approximately 22.5 months) G1 service
2 Years - 2nd Free Maintenance Inspection / Performance Optimisation Service
G1 @ 6k £223.41 excl VAT
G2 @ 12k £459.31 excl VAT
G1 @ 18k £815.71 excl VAT (Gearbox and Differential Fluid changed)
G3 @ 24k £643.56 excl VAT
G1 @ 30k £223.41 excl VAT
G2 @ 36k £1205.61 excl VAT (Gearbox and Differential Fluid changed, Secondary Air Filter changed)
G1 @ 42k £223.41 excl VAT
G3 @ 48k £643.56 excl VAT
G1 @ 54k £815.71 excl VAT (Gearbox and Differential Fluid changed)
G2 @ 60k £1299.19 excl VAT (Brake Hoses and Spark Plugs changed)
Brake costs i have been verbally told are £3.5K all round for discs and pads fitted... now we all know brakes and tyres go at different rates depending on use. My RS4 swapped front pads at 18k miles first ....cost £400.. if i swapped everthing it would still be £2.5K for an Audi... Alternatives make this cheaper
I have also decided to start with the mid pipe being swapped on the exhaust, again just like the Subaru, Audi , Merc etc..... then work from there based on what can be done and warranty
1,500mls - Performance Optimisation Service - Free
6,000mls (after approximately 4.5 months) - G1 Service
12,000mls (after approximately 9 months) - G2 Service
1 Year - 1st Free Maintenance Inspection/Performance Optimisation Service
18,000mls (after approximately 13.5 months) G1 service
24,000mls (after approximately 18 months) G3 service
30,000 mls (after approximately 22.5 months) G1 service
2 Years - 2nd Free Maintenance Inspection / Performance Optimisation Service
G1 @ 6k £223.41 excl VAT
G2 @ 12k £459.31 excl VAT
G1 @ 18k £815.71 excl VAT (Gearbox and Differential Fluid changed)
G3 @ 24k £643.56 excl VAT
G1 @ 30k £223.41 excl VAT
G2 @ 36k £1205.61 excl VAT (Gearbox and Differential Fluid changed, Secondary Air Filter changed)
G1 @ 42k £223.41 excl VAT
G3 @ 48k £643.56 excl VAT
G1 @ 54k £815.71 excl VAT (Gearbox and Differential Fluid changed)
G2 @ 60k £1299.19 excl VAT (Brake Hoses and Spark Plugs changed)
17 March 2009, 09:47 AM
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GTR ally, those are my thoughts too. I was in the position where my deposit had been down since December, the car was arriving July, my deposit was non refundable after a couple of weeks ago, and facts from Nissan were very unclear! I felt I had to cancle or I was lining myself up for a fall.
I also am not toooooo bothered about the servicing costs, it was more the track day situation and warranty combined with the fact that the behaviour of Nissan UK on this has been a joke. I wasn't happy at those who cancelled were being accused of suffering from credit crunch either! I still want one, i'm just waiting until Nissan finally come clean.
I also am not toooooo bothered about the servicing costs, it was more the track day situation and warranty combined with the fact that the behaviour of Nissan UK on this has been a joke. I wasn't happy at those who cancelled were being accused of suffering from credit crunch either! I still want one, i'm just waiting until Nissan finally come clean.
17 March 2009, 09:50 PM
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GTR ally, those are my thoughts too. I was in the position where my deposit had been down since December, the car was arriving July, my deposit was non refundable after a couple of weeks ago, and facts from Nissan were very unclear! I felt I had to cancle or I was lining myself up for a fall.
I also am not toooooo bothered about the servicing costs, it was more the track day situation and warranty combined with the fact that the behaviour of Nissan UK on this has been a joke. I wasn't happy at those who cancelled were being accused of suffering from credit crunch either! I still want one, i'm just waiting until Nissan finally come clean.
I also am not toooooo bothered about the servicing costs, it was more the track day situation and warranty combined with the fact that the behaviour of Nissan UK on this has been a joke. I wasn't happy at those who cancelled were being accused of suffering from credit crunch either! I still want one, i'm just waiting until Nissan finally come clean.
I have decided to ride things out and still get my car, I'm hoping that all the stuff that's going around settles and things turn outfor the best. I'll have waited two years for the car. I be so pissed off if I cancelled and it all came good, which I have to hope it will. Time will tell, but I've decided to stick with it.
Ally
23 March 2009, 10:46 AM
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Back to the original question 'GTR or not' thhe answer is defo no!
I've now seen 997 Turbos 2.5 years old for under £60k. I take it thats about the price of the GTR with spec?
If it was the choice of GTR or 8 year old worn out Porker it would be GTR everytime. But a 997 turbo about 3 years old or less (even if its out of warranty) for the same money has to win everytime.
The only thing in thhe GTRs favour is the ? bigger rear seats and boot, if that doesn't matter to you then its a no brainer imho
I've now seen 997 Turbos 2.5 years old for under £60k. I take it thats about the price of the GTR with spec?
If it was the choice of GTR or 8 year old worn out Porker it would be GTR everytime. But a 997 turbo about 3 years old or less (even if its out of warranty) for the same money has to win everytime.
The only thing in thhe GTRs favour is the ? bigger rear seats and boot, if that doesn't matter to you then its a no brainer imho
23 March 2009, 07:16 PM
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If you shop carefully you could get an 18 month old 997 GT3 for £65k, or possibly a shade less, high spec with 5k miles or less.
I know which one I would have!!!
I know which one I would have!!!
23 March 2009, 07:52 PM
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Saying that, in a years time my M5 will probably be worth just shy of £50
23 March 2009, 08:31 PM
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i was at a new tuning firms open day saturday and they had a new gtr"grey import" along side quite a few nice motors(c63 amg,f430 etc) and i have to say the gtr by far got the most attention.
allmost every one i spoke to would have had the gtr over every thing else there!
it was due to go on the dyno but we had to leave early,would have loved to have seen what it made as it looked like it was allready mod'ed with 4 very large blitz type exhausts poking out of its backside.
allmost every one i spoke to would have had the gtr over every thing else there!
it was due to go on the dyno but we had to leave early,would have loved to have seen what it made as it looked like it was allready mod'ed with 4 very large blitz type exhausts poking out of its backside.
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