Global warming over.
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Sorry to ask you such a pointless question, I thought that your opinion on the fact that sea ice was at the same levels as it was 30 years ago, was actually quite relevant, given that you insist that the world is heating up at an unprecedented rate.
If you can't explain it, just say so, don't just dismiss it as pointless because you don't have an answer.
If you can't explain it, just say so, don't just dismiss it as pointless because you don't have an answer.
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Show me where i said the world is heating up at an unprecedented rate. In fact i'll pay you £1,000 if you can. See, THIS is exactly the sort of misinformation this whole topic is based upon. As Mr Brant said, it's utterly pointless at the end of the day. Ping pong in the dark.
The earth gets hotter & colder over time, we all need to just Get Over It 
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I would dearly like some of our major 'brains' to get heavily involved in this debate. I don't mean statements like the 'dooms day' theories we've so far had from the likes of Professor Hawking (respect due despite this), but hard, 'cold' numbers that prove the warming theory.
I'm yet to see anything close to real numbers that add up to human affect climate change.
I'm yet to see anything close to real numbers that add up to human affect climate change.
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And funnily enough, there is also plenty of evidence to illustrate that all this has happened before, way before Man even walked the earth, that 100 years is no time at all in climate terms, that global temperatures have been both higher and lower than they are now, and that the Earth's proximity to the Sun has a greater effect on global temperature than Man is ever likely too.
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The reason I choose to append said label is a result of being continually bombarded with the 'facts' from climate change 'experts', who refuse to even acknowledge that data could exist which might be contrary to their spoutings.
True science should take into account all relevant findings, not just those that support a pre-determined conclusion.
BTW, I'm not for one minute disputing that we all need to change our increasingly wasteful habits and lifestyles. I merely do not believe that Man alone is capable of affecting the global climate cycle to the extent that is currently being claimed
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Originally Posted by TelBoy 
Geezer, i'm not saying i've totally disregarded figures. Of course the whole issue would never have come to light if it hadn't been for measurements. What i'm saying though is that what i perceive to be going on backs up the figures indicating global warming, and i could find numbers to support my perceptions too, as you know. The argument against that is purely a raft of data designed, to a large extent i believe, to discredit the whole thing. But you could find statistics to back up any point of view. If you're convinced the whole thing is a big con designed to rip you off in the name of global warming then of course one particular set of data is going to suit. If, like me, you think there's a real shift in the Earth's weather patterns, you set about doing something about it, not wait till the numbers categorically prove your case. I don't think i can summarise it more concisely than that.
Don't worry about the £1000 by the way!
Geezer, i'm not saying i've totally disregarded figures. Of course the whole issue would never have come to light if it hadn't been for measurements. What i'm saying though is that what i perceive to be going on backs up the figures indicating global warming, and i could find numbers to support my perceptions too, as you know. The argument against that is purely a raft of data designed, to a large extent i believe, to discredit the whole thing. But you could find statistics to back up any point of view. If you're convinced the whole thing is a big con designed to rip you off in the name of global warming then of course one particular set of data is going to suit. If, like me, you think there's a real shift in the Earth's weather patterns, you set about doing something about it, not wait till the numbers categorically prove your case. I don't think i can summarise it more concisely than that.
Don't worry about the £1000 by the way!
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Well your answers are so vague, that sometimes I have to make an assumption.
Here's a question for you then, so you can put the record straight.
Do you think that we are seeing an unprecedented rise in global temperatures as a result of man's activity?
Here's a question for you then, so you can put the record straight.
Do you think that we are seeing an unprecedented rise in global temperatures as a result of man's activity?
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But over what timespan? I'm sure i could dig out data which shows way more variance in global temperature than what we've experienced in the past 50 years or so, but who's got reliable data to show whether the variance in global climate in the past 50 year period is unprecedented? Nobody, that's who. If it's been seen before, (and nobody can say authoritatively whether it has or not over such a small timespan), then ok, hands up, the "greenies" are wrong, man is an irrelevance. But since we can't, i cannot believe we have not had an impact of some significance. So i don't bitch and moan about environmental taxes, i just adjust my lifestyle patterns to avoid/minimise them.
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Go and look at a list of your 'sceptics' at CLIMATE EXPERTS WHO SIGNED MANHATTAN DECLARATION who have signed the Manhattan Declaration. Funnily enough they are all, or nearly all, "climate science specialists or scientists in closely related fields".
Go read the declartion here THE MANHATTAN DECLARATION ON CLIMATE CHANGE
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Oh, and as one of the centres thast the IPCC relies on for temperature prediction, you'd expect the Met Office to be right sometimes .... take a look at Met Office: Trend of mild winters continues
" ... 25 September 2008. The Met Office forecast for the coming winter suggests it is, once again, likely to be milder than average. It is also likely that the coming winter will be drier than last year ... "
Don't know about you but it's getting bl**dy cold outside! And these pillocks think they can predict the climate many years into the future?
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" ... 25 September 2008. The Met Office forecast for the coming winter suggests it is, once again, likely to be milder than average. It is also likely that the coming winter will be drier than last year ... "
Don't know about you but it's getting bl**dy cold outside! And these pillocks think they can predict the climate many years into the future?
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Well, I've been on this planet for nearly 50 years and I've seen b*g all change in the weather/climate in that period. In the summer it gets warmer. In the winter it gets colder. Always has and always will. No difference apart from seasonal variations.
Go and look at a list of your 'sceptics' at CLIMATE EXPERTS WHO SIGNED MANHATTAN DECLARATION who have signed the Manhattan Declaration. Funnily enough they are all, or nearly all, "climate science specialists or scientists in closely related fields".
Go read the declartion here THE MANHATTAN DECLARATION ON CLIMATE CHANGE
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Go and look at a list of your 'sceptics' at CLIMATE EXPERTS WHO SIGNED MANHATTAN DECLARATION who have signed the Manhattan Declaration. Funnily enough they are all, or nearly all, "climate science specialists or scientists in closely related fields".
Go read the declartion here THE MANHATTAN DECLARATION ON CLIMATE CHANGE
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Oh, and as one of the centres thast the IPCC relies on for temperature prediction, you'd expect the Met Office to be right sometimes .... take a look at Met Office: Trend of mild winters continues
" ... 25 September 2008. The Met Office forecast for the coming winter suggests it is, once again, likely to be milder than average. It is also likely that the coming winter will be drier than last year ... "
Don't know about you but it's getting bl**dy cold outside! And these pillocks think they can predict the climate many years into the future?
Dave
" ... 25 September 2008. The Met Office forecast for the coming winter suggests it is, once again, likely to be milder than average. It is also likely that the coming winter will be drier than last year ... "
Don't know about you but it's getting bl**dy cold outside! And these pillocks think they can predict the climate many years into the future?
Dave
You know they still might be right...doubt it, but they might be
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