TD05 16G MAX BOOST Q
07 October 2014, 02:18 AM
#31
I don't bother with LC, just hold it at circa 4000rpm with the handrake on lol. Slipping the clutch a bit so it doesn't bog down.
Basically because I religiously drive like an old fart away from the strip (see my MPG threads) I just wondered if it was an instantaneous blowing heat or something that took a few spool ups to create the "flame thrower situation"
I mean running 1.7 BAR could I blow the engine via detonation from just flouring the car once in 3rd gear?
I keep getting told the answer that a Turbo getting close to being maxed blows hot air but never an emphatic answer to if it does it on the first spool.
I really venture onto boost in 4th and 5th gear, even on the strip and I roughly gather they are the danger gears.
Basically because I religiously drive like an old fart away from the strip (see my MPG threads) I just wondered if it was an instantaneous blowing heat or something that took a few spool ups to create the "flame thrower situation"
I mean running 1.7 BAR could I blow the engine via detonation from just flouring the car once in 3rd gear?
I keep getting told the answer that a Turbo getting close to being maxed blows hot air but never an emphatic answer to if it does it on the first spool.
I really venture onto boost in 4th and 5th gear, even on the strip and I roughly gather they are the danger gears.
When you launching the car,does boost increase when you holding the handbrake etc.
If not then this "exercise" is waste of time and you can do serious damage,as you know properly set LC will build the boost
I've never seen such situation like you are experienced,usually if you running above boost which has been set on the ECU then you can blow the engine,ECU will try to correct the boost and try adjust the fueling
Sometimes can happen overboost,but this I've seen rarely,mostly on un mapped or non mapped cars,on mapped cars this can happen only during the cold days
I would check the pipes at least if they're not damaged and if they're not split
On first spool or in first gear usually you should have set lower boost(1bar as example or lower,depends on yours mapper)
On drag strip usually you will never see 4th or 5th gear if you are running 5speed WRX box,this box has have nice long ratio,if car is modded then 4th gear you should be changing before crossing the finish,but usually on standard WRX you will be crossing finish line in 3rd or in 4th,depends on the more factors
Thanks,Jura
07 October 2014, 08:16 AM
#32
To answer your question, Hot air is created instantly, think of a Diesel engine compressing air before spraying in diesel that ignites in this hot air, it happens very fast.
The over boost in a cold day is caused by the Intercooler being very efficient. Hope this clarifies.
Oh, I run a 16g at 1.45 bar, can't make it make more than 1.2 bar at the limiter
The over boost in a cold day is caused by the Intercooler being very efficient. Hope this clarifies.
Oh, I run a 16g at 1.45 bar, can't make it make more than 1.2 bar at the limiter
07 October 2014, 09:21 AM
#33
Scooby Regular
To answer your question, Hot air is created instantly, think of a Diesel engine compressing air before spraying in diesel that ignites in this hot air, it happens very fast.
The over boost in a cold day is caused by the Intercooler being very efficient. Hope this clarifies.
Oh, I run a 16g at 1.45 bar, can't make it make more than 1.2 bar at the limiter
The over boost in a cold day is caused by the Intercooler being very efficient. Hope this clarifies.
Oh, I run a 16g at 1.45 bar, can't make it make more than 1.2 bar at the limiter
So the hot air is created by the friction of the blades hitting the air at speed?
So when you hear about people running 2 BAR or more etc on other turbos what is the trick?
07 October 2014, 09:29 AM
#35
Scooby Regular
Hi there
When you launching the car,does boost increase when you holding the handbrake etc.
If not then this "exercise" is waste of time and you can do serious damage,as you know properly set LC will build the boost
I've never seen such situation like you are experienced,usually if you running above boost which has been set on the ECU then you can blow the engine,ECU will try to correct the boost and try adjust the fueling
Sometimes can happen overboost,but this I've seen rarely,mostly on un mapped or non mapped cars,on mapped cars this can happen only during the cold days
I would check the pipes at least if they're not damaged and if they're not split
On first spool or in first gear usually you should have set lower boost(1bar as example or lower,depends on yours mapper)
On drag strip usually you will never see 4th or 5th gear if you are running 5speed WRX box,this box has have nice long ratio,if car is modded then 4th gear you should be changing before crossing the finish,but usually on standard WRX you will be crossing finish line in 3rd or in 4th,depends on the more factors
Thanks,Jura
When you launching the car,does boost increase when you holding the handbrake etc.
If not then this "exercise" is waste of time and you can do serious damage,as you know properly set LC will build the boost
I've never seen such situation like you are experienced,usually if you running above boost which has been set on the ECU then you can blow the engine,ECU will try to correct the boost and try adjust the fueling
Sometimes can happen overboost,but this I've seen rarely,mostly on un mapped or non mapped cars,on mapped cars this can happen only during the cold days
I would check the pipes at least if they're not damaged and if they're not split
On first spool or in first gear usually you should have set lower boost(1bar as example or lower,depends on yours mapper)
On drag strip usually you will never see 4th or 5th gear if you are running 5speed WRX box,this box has have nice long ratio,if car is modded then 4th gear you should be changing before crossing the finish,but usually on standard WRX you will be crossing finish line in 3rd or in 4th,depends on the more factors
Thanks,Jura
TBH I've only experienced overboost once and that's when the actuator pipe came off and the wastegate stayed shut. Though I have read it would open slightly due to the manifold pressure, not sure if a map could make it stay shut via the EBC (not that that would be good policy!)
07 October 2014, 09:36 AM
#36
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07 October 2014, 09:49 AM
#38
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Tout = Tin + Tin x [-1+(Pout/Pin)0.263]
I get it now!
07 October 2014, 01:57 PM
#39
Scooby Regular
I always thought there was only 1 factor why a bigger turbo made more power at the same PSI as a small turbo but there are in fact 3 or 4 factors.
So if I choose to run a larger Turbo at lower boost I'd get a safer running engine but have to put up with potential spool issues.
Has anyone ever run (for safety/or future proofing) a big ball bearing turbo at 0.8 Bar etc to get circa 320bhp or is it just an expensive exercise?
So if I choose to run a larger Turbo at lower boost I'd get a safer running engine but have to put up with potential spool issues.
Has anyone ever run (for safety/or future proofing) a big ball bearing turbo at 0.8 Bar etc to get circa 320bhp or is it just an expensive exercise?
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