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Old Jun 11, 2008 | 11:43 PM
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my source is issue 211 of Fast Bikes (current edition) taken from the Suberbike of the Year shootout.

that first post on the thread you posted is an eight year old bike! new models are every 2 years!!

sod me the thread is from 2003!!!

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Old Jun 11, 2008 | 11:45 PM
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I just did a quick search on bike 1/4 mile times and they don't seem to be coming up to the times yousay when not on paper, Here is some real people posting times of their bikes

1/4 mile times 10.5 - Honda Motorcycles - FireBlades.org
Street Bike Motorcycle Performance Numbers - Quarter Mile Times - Sport Rider
There ya go m8 plenty to look at there not many running over 11.9s
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Old Jun 11, 2008 | 11:50 PM
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rbaz the ones I posted are real people making real figures jjones when did this get about brand new bikes ??? I said it was a big cc as the back tyre was massive
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Old Jun 11, 2008 | 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by stevebt
rbaz the ones I posted are real people making real figures jjones when did this get about brand new bikes ??? I said it was a big cc as the back tyre was massive
Those figures are from a real magazine and think the newest test on there was 06.
New bikes YZF-R6 ('99) 10.68 @ 128.17 bike is almost 10 years old and does a sub 11s.
Maybe it was only a 125 with a R1 back tyre in it
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Old Jun 11, 2008 | 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by stevebt
rbaz the ones I posted are real people making real figures jjones when did this get about brand new bikes ??? I said it was a big cc as the back tyre was massive
you know that most modern sportsbikes use either 180 or 190 section rubber? that goes for 600s and 1000s?

so saying "it was some big cc bike as you could tell from the size of the back wheel " is akin to saying "it was a big BHP impreza as it had a big exhaust"
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Old Jun 11, 2008 | 11:59 PM
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works both ways tho, i get evos/scoobs try n race me off the lights too.....,now thats funny
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 12:03 AM
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Why do bikers have to try and prove there bike against fast cars ??? I came off a round about today and drove the car thru a few gears changing at 6krpm on each change.
Being fair to the biker if you were changing gear at 6000 rpms off around about id take that as you wanted to have a bit of play. Even if you were in second gear you would be doing some decent speed and if you were in third changing up at 6000 rpm you would have been doing silly speeds for the road! (although we are all guilty of that no doubt)

If I had tried to pass him I could of easily, plus I could see his bike starting to wobble abit as he hit a corner at speed
Sounds like he must have been a terrible rider and maybe something was wrong with his bike if he stated to wobble?

I ride a ZX7R Ninja 750 which has been lightly tuned an also drive my classic Impreza turbo running 324 bhp (proven) My bike is in a different league from all out acceleration to top end speed.

Now I think my car is a fast road car but some people who drive Impreza's really need to take a reality check, any decent rider on any 600cc modern sports bike will annihilate Impreza unless they are running silly power say above 800 bhp. If you sit down and think about it, just work out the power to weight ratio of a bike and you will soon see your car is not even in the same league.

If you really wish to prove your car against a motorcycle in a straight line, then I suggest you contact the organisers of the event below (Portreath Motor-Sprint) and enter yourself.

RAF Portreath Motor Sprint

...oh, and check out what a 2004 ZX10R can run...The newer models make MORE power too.

YouTube - ZX-10R Drag racing
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 12:08 AM
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Not had much fun with bikes, but the best was in my 280bhp wagon. 900cc Honda Fireblade? pulls in between lanes at traffic lights, lights go green bike takes off and i follow. Im about 2 lengths behind him in the next lane and floor it, he hears my exhaust, looks over his shoulder, nods, and while still looking at me accellerates, lifts his front wheel and disappears. i just laughed and thought it was so cool . I knew i didnt have much chance but just abit of fun. One of my mates used to regularly race bikes in his Escort Cossie(420bhp), used to do well an all(big set of bollox).

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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by stevebt
Why do bikers have to try and prove there bike against fast cars ??? I came off a round about today and drove the car thru a few gears changing at 6krpm on each change...

I wasn't even trying to prove anything
Maybe the guy just fancied a blast and might, like you, not have been trying to prove anything.

Here's a 2003 road going GSXR 1000 going round cadwell. [Yes it is mph]

YouTube - GSXR1000 Lap of CADWELL PARK

Simple question:

Could you keep up with the bike in the vid whilst sat behind your wheel in comfort?

PMSFL @ bikers indeed
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 07:58 AM
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Possible figures for bikes straight out of the box one costing a mere £7000 and the other a massive 8995 otr.

CBR600RR 0-60 3.06s, 0-100 6.32s, 0-140 13.37s.
Standing quarter 10.91 @ 130mph. Standing mile 28.82 @ 160mph.

CBR1000RR 0-60 2.94s, 0-100 5.56s, 0-140 9.55s.
Standing quarter 10.31 @ 145mph. Standing mile 26.51 @ 175mph.

Make your own conclusions.......
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 09:01 AM
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haha bikes are so fast! Quite a lot of riders on the road will not push in corners though so on a little tight country road you may think its not THAT much faster....on a straight even a poor rider will destroy you!!
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 09:47 AM
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I've had loads of bikes and to be honest you would get mullered even by a 400cc dirt bike with someone that knows how to ride it.. i understand that it was just a quick play but these threads about bikes verses cars are just a none starter. you have a 400bhp newage which isnt really that much in a newage i dont even think that brings you up to the 300bhp per ton mark which is an absolute minnimum for a car to be considerd slightly quick in terms of fast impreza's i'd give you a run for your money on a 250 supermotard up snake pass!!
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by stevebt
I wasn't laughing at the bikes performance !!! I was laughing at him having to try and prove he was faster than me !! I saw him looking at me coming up in his mirrors Why feel the need to be in front of me when he was just driving normally before
Steve I hear what your saying mate.
I posted a similar thread ages ago.
Like why do bikers overtake and then stick below the speed limit until a straight comes up or you go to overtake.

And also when they're right up your ****, so yoy wait for them to overtake and they dont, until you decide to overtake the car in front.

It's a battle you're not going to win here mate.
Nice specs by the way
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 01:34 PM
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I've kept up with fast bikes before (& overtaken some on the bends) who were without doubt going for it too ... I had to red line the car to keep up though

Bikers have to be either (a) great drivers (b) nutters to extract maximum attack mode from a fast bike. Most aren't

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He can't habe been trying mate bikes are rapid. In corners your car may be faster (if the rider is inexperienced or scared:-) but in any line......different gravy.
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 01:39 PM
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I'm sure that a GP racer could do this however how would your average "Joe" get on?

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for instance an 08 fireblade does 0-140mph in 9.69 seconds, how fast does your scoob cover a quarter?
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 01:40 PM
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I think sometime its just a case of underestimation on the bikers part. Had a play with my m8`s 98 R6, in my old type R running 325bhp. Came off a roundabout and I was right on his tail till around 100, he glanced back and nearly fell off, expecting me to be miles back. Next section of road he completely left me. Chating afterwards he said the first stretch he hadn`t pushed it thinking it would be enough to leave me anyways. Flat out in the next section I had no chance.
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 01:45 PM
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^^ That's probably more like it!

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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 02:18 PM
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To me it shows that Mr biker was minding his own business but tried to bite when shifted out of his daydream by 6K rpm of Impreza zooming along.

Not everyone can go from relaxed to MotoGP mode in the blink of an eye
. It reads like this bloke tried to keep up, started experiencing some wobbles, then wisely thought better of it.

If you haven't already assessed the road hazards at your intended warp speed, it's best to not tweak the throttle in the first place.

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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by vindaloo
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Not everyone can go from relaxed to MotoGP mode in the blink of an eye
. It reads like this bloke tried to keep up, started experiencing some wobbles, then wisely thought better of it.



J.
He didn't have to keep up as he was in front of me and I was matching his speed if not catching him. He was trying to prove his **** was bigger than mine
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by stevebt
He didn't have to keep up as he was in front of me and I was matching his speed if not catching him. He was trying to prove his **** was bigger than mine
Thats strange for a biker!
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 03:47 PM
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what you guys forget is on a bike it only takes a slight bad reaction to something and it can often reuslt in a ***** off off at 100+, take this morning, me a another biker were swiftly ridin along and a van was waiting to turn into our lane across the road, he edged into our lane as we were approaching then stopped,didnt do anything wrong in a car, it would of been probably ignored, on the bike,dont know about the other biker, but me, shat it,any more than what were doing could of been a major off at that speed because of the reaction.

its alot easier to make a mistake in your car and go, ah, 4 wheel drive i love it !


im always premtping whats round the next bend as being knocked off yrs ago, bird pulled out of a t junction into me on the bike, im alot more aware of the pain when ur head hits the floor at 35mp and ya helmet comes off as well !

the fast bikers are the ones that havent come off,most of the time.
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by The Rig
the fast bikers are the ones that havent come off,most of the time.
Know what you mean. An off definitely puts manners on you. Certainly did with me years ago.
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 05:34 PM
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This type of post always prompts some replies from 'car only' people who appear to have some kind of axe to grind with bike riders. The posters who also ride seem to have a much more balanced attitude.
Is this because some of you spend thousands modifying your cars but the performance figures for a £7 grand Yamasaki or whatever straight out of the box knock your motors into a cocked hat?
There's no doubt the quality of the rider is far more relevant to the real world performance of a motorcycle than the driver is to a car, and mistakes are potentially far more costly on the bike. I can go out anytime in my car (with only 300BHP and so fairly low on power compared to many on here) wet or dry and slide it around on and off throttle at will, but I'm a long way off smoking the rear on the bike round corners a la Rossi.
25 years riding and 23 driving (bike courier early on to service engineer now, so lots of miles on both) and I do feel reasonably well qualified to say that the significant majority of car drivers AND bike riders are complete pussies on the road, no bottle and no talent. So who the hell really knows what happened with stevebt? Maybe he is a seriously talented four wheel hero and the guy on the bike is one of those pussies, or maybe bikerman was having a half-hearted play.
Either way, in absolute performance terms bikes are way ahead of cars (simple power to weight physics). The car driver has to rely on other factors such as rain or poor road surfaces to swing things in his direction. Above 150mph the aerodynamics (i.e. the rider) start to hinder the bike so outright top speeds are harder to come by, but on here we're mostly talking Subarus not Bugattis so the bikes aren't likely to suffer here either as even 600's will get near on 170mph now.
I like cars and bikes, but when I get on the bike I know the performance would scare the **** out of most car drivers, including many on here.
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 07:17 PM
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The point is not that a car is faster than a bike as we all know that bikes are f'ing fast. My point is that a STi (albeit modded) can stick with a fast bike (are any modded?) without too many problems on anything other than a dead straight road or one that's full of traffic

Fair enough about the small cost of a bike although you pays your money & takes your chances ... I'd never step out on a bike as it's too fecking dangerous!

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Is this because some of you spend thousands modifying your cars but the performance figures for a £7 grand Yamasaki or whatever straight out of the box knock your motors into a cocked hat?
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Terminator X
The point is not that a car is faster than a bike as we all know that bikes are f'ing fast. My point is that a STi (albeit modded) can stick with a fast bike (are any modded?) without too many problems on anything other than a dead straight road or one that's full of traffic

Fair enough about the small cost of a bike although you pays your money & takes your chances ... I'd never step out on a bike as it's too fecking dangerous!

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no, with a good rider, a scoob still wouldnt be right up there with a bike,the ones were on about.again,a good rider will take a sweeping bend at 130+ with ease,not me mind ha ha, maybe 110
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i think the man who started the thread has an inferiority complex! i bet you thinnk your car is the fastest thing on earth!
i drive a p1, and ride a zx6r, both not the fastest, but the bike will p*ss all over the car, any car in fact, even concidering cornering speed!
as for you laughing at him, think you'll find he was thinking your compensating for something with your big 600hp
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 09:41 PM
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This is a debate that nobody can win as both forms of transport have their own merits.
However in most cases i believe the bike would be quicker point to point taking all factors into consideration.
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by p12mem
i think the man who started the thread has an inferiority complex! i bet you thinnk your car is the fastest thing on earth!
i drive a p1, and ride a zx6r, both not the fastest, but the bike will p*ss all over the car, any car in fact, even concidering cornering speed!
as for you laughing at him, think you'll find he was thinking your compensating for something with your big 600hp

Another gimp that doesn't read the thread properly !!! I always tell people my car is slow If you can find one bit I have said where my car is faster than a bike ??? I was only laughing at him having to prove his bike !! But you as do most others twist the thread in your little minds to something else Next someone will be saying I was racing him and his was a hayabusa
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Originally Posted by stevebt
Another gimp that doesn't read the thread properly !!! I always tell people my car is slow If you can find one bit I have said where my car is faster than a bike ??? I was only laughing at him having to prove his bike !! But you as do most others twist the thread in your little minds to something else Next someone will be saying I was racing him and his was a hayabusa
Fraid you wouldn't be racing a busa but waving goodbye mate...cider must be going to your head.

Did you not learn to drive at some point.......

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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by No.111
Fraid you wouldn't be racing a busa but waving goodbye mate...cider must be going to your head.

Did you not learn to drive at some point.......
he was actually taking the pi$$ with the hayabusa comment lol
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